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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 20:07 
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And after four years of not much happening, the US goes to the polls tomorrow. Or at least those who haven't already voted will. Or those who are not for some unknowable reason prevented from voting. And all to pick people to pick people. Perhaps.

No, I won't be staying up. Would be exciting if the Democrats can take the Senate, but that seems to depend on the lead Biden has across the country to lift those elsewhere on the ticket.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 20:49 
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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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I'll be staying up, I love the shenanigans

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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John Oliver was pretty fired up on Last Week....

I expect Trump will manage to get close enough that it turns into a legal battle decided by his Supreme Court.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 23:10 
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America hasn't been great for a long, long time though has it, really?

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When do you think it was great? Pre colonisation? Pre ice age?


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 23:42 
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Good question, and I personally am not sure I can do much more than take a vague and somewhat arbitrary stab at that. It seemed great to me when I was younger, so for me I'd say sometime before 2000.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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And all to pick people to pick people.


The fact that this is actually A Fucking Thing and yet they still have the brass bollocked audacity to even pretend to be Great by any measure is the biggest pile of both hilarious and tragic horseshit. It turns out that America has never actually been 'good', never mind 'great', but it's just never been so obvious as it is now.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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When do you think it was great? Pre colonisation? Pre ice age?


The bit where the house falls on Buster Keaton was pretty pro.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 0:48 
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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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And all to pick people to pick people.


The fact that this is actually A Fucking Thing and yet they still have the brass bollocked audacity to even pretend to be Great by any measure is the biggest pile of both hilarious and tragic horseshit. It turns out that America has never actually been 'good', never mind 'great', but it's just never been so obvious as it is now.



I think you've summed it up quite concisely. Well done.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 23:36 
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Right, I'm going to stay up I think, I've done the last three at least, so I think it's right.

As such, what's everyone's recommendation for the best TV channel, internet video stream and text stream to follow? And snacks/drinks?

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 23:39 
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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Right, I'm going to stay up I think, I've done the last three at least, so I think it's right.

As such, what's everyone's recommendation for the best TV channel, internet video stream and text stream to follow? And snacks/drinks?


It'd be good if you could design an electoral system more perverse and complex than the one they already have. An interesting thought experiment.

For drinks, I'd alternate between tea and vodka.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:50 
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Fuck this. No hope left now.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Fuck this. No hope left now.

Regardless of who wins.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Blimey, it’s a bit of a roller coaster. 5 mins ago Biden was over 25 up on Trump, now he’s three behind.

I wish the fat lady would hurry up and sing, but that may not even happen today at all.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:46 
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I've given up on hope in overnight election counts as going to bed with hope and waking up to crushing horror isn't fun.

2010 general election was where my hope flickered, but 2016 was the final nail. Brexit and Trump in the same year. My hope is long dead


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:47 
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Just got up. This isn't looking good, especially as Trump kept Florida.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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It’s turned around again now. Biden 220, Trump 213.

The tension.....the tension.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Looks like the Republicans will keep the Senate, so even were Biden to win he wouldn't be able to get anything done.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:10 
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Nothing has changed hands yet though, so it comes down to the 3 "blue wall states" and Arizona.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:06 
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So AFAICT Biden needs to win 2 of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, problem is, Trump is ahead in all of them, with not many votes left to count in any of the states.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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So AFAICT Biden needs to win 2 of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, problem is, Trump is ahead in all of them, with not many votes left to count in any of the states.


Which is why Trump doesn't want the postal votes to be counted and wants the Supreme Court to stop those counts.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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It could come down to Pennsylvania, couldn't it? Which surely they won't get through today?

Oh god, I can see Trump doing something absolutely ridiculous to keep that from happening.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Trump turning the most sacred part of the U.S into a reality show.

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Trump turning the most sacred part of the U.S into a reality show.

Unbelievable.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Can someone who understands betting odds explain this to me?

Am I right thinking that for every £2 you put on Biden you get £1(plus original 2) back, and for every 8 put on Trump you get 13 back, so they think Biden is going to win? I can’t remember which way ‘around’ betting odds go.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Yes, that's it. 2/1 considered less likely, so paying more, than 1/2.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 13:45 
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Decimal betting odds is much easier to understand, and it’s frustrating that fractional odds are still primarily used in this country (perhaps to deliberately obfuscate). In this case Biden’s odds would be 1.5 and Trump’s 2.625 (you divide the numerator by the denominator and add 1.0 to reflect your original stake).

So if you put a tenner on Biden you’d get £15 plusincluding your stake back, and Trump you’d get £26.25 andwith your stake returned.

So Biden is the favourite.

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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I thought that was what it was, but doubted myself because I daren’t believe that anyone would predict shorter odds on Biden without checking first.

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I googled that and am very little the wiser :D

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Decimal betting odds is much easier to understand, and it’s frustrating that fractional odds are still primarily used in this country (perhaps to deliberately obfuscate). In this case Biden’s odds would be 1.5 and Trump’s 2.625 (you divide the numerator by the denominator and add 1.0 to reflect your original stake).

So if you put a tenner on Biden you’d get £15 plus your stake back, and Trump you’d get £26.25 and your stake returned.

So Biden is the favourite.


You wouldn't get your stake back. At odds of 1.5, you'd get £15 back including your stake.


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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Mr Chonks wrote:
Decimal betting odds is much easier to understand, and it’s frustrating that fractional odds are still primarily used in this country (perhaps to deliberately obfuscate). In this case Biden’s odds would be 1.5 and Trump’s 2.625 (you divide the numerator by the denominator and add 1.0 to reflect your original stake).

So if you put a tenner on Biden you’d get £15 plus your stake back, and Trump you’d get £26.25 and your stake returned.

So Biden is the favourite.


You wouldn't get your stake back. At odds of 1.5, you'd get £15 back including your stake.

Yes, sorry, I was doing it in a rush. I did at least state you add the 1 for your stake :)

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 Post subject: Re: US Election 2020
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Decimal odds do look simpler to calculate. To be fair, the ratio odds are simple, I just can never remember which side represents the stake and which the return.

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The front page of The Times is absolutely bonkers. A right-wing columnist in a right-wing paper, in a country with a right-wing government, talking about another right-wing country, with a right-wing president apparently being replaced by a broadly right-wing candidate - from the Democrat party, with whom the Conservaties always used to claim the most in common. And it blames the radical left.


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