Bits and Bobs 51

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:19

Malc wrote:

How could you fairly give everyone a payrise, but make it so the lowest paid person got the highest rise. And the highest paid person got the lowest raise.

That doesn't sound like capitalism to me. Let's hound him out, guys!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:19

Malc wrote:

heh, I think about all sorts of things, what I did notice yesterday was that I tend to think about the future when walking through countryside stuff, and the past when I am in a more urban (can you really call a small town like Ivybridge urban?). Not sure what that says about me.

What do you think about when you walk backwards in a central business district?

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

Zardoz wrote:

Malc wrote:

heh, I think about all sorts of things, what I did notice yesterday was that I tend to think about the future when walking through countryside stuff, and the past when I am in a more urban (can you really call a small town like Ivybridge urban?). Not sure what that says about me.

What do you think about when you walk backwards in a central business district?

Christmas

No, wait. That's only when I'm walking backwards across the Irish Sea.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

Malc wrote:

It's a finite list.

I was wondering about salaries at a company. If you had double the budget for salaries, but couldn't hire anyone new. How could you fairly give everyone a payrise, but make it so the lowest paid person got the highest rise. And the highest paid person got the lowest raise.

Everyone gets a raise, and no one overtakes anyone so they suddenly earn more than someone who used to earn more than them.

Also if there were 3 people on different salaries, say on £24,000, £26,000 and £28,000, their new salaries would be similarly arranged (just not a 2k gap between them).

If your current budget is £100k and you're doubling it, why can you not divide the new 100k evenly between everyone?
The top paid person's new salary would increase by the same monetary amount, but be worth less of a percentage to them.

So where S is existing salary, B is new budget, and n is number of employees you'd have:

new salary for each person = ((B/n)/S) * 100)

Does that work? is it fair?

Malc · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:25

Mr Russell wrote:

Malc wrote:

It's a finite list.

I was wondering about salaries at a company. If you had double the budget for salaries, but couldn't hire anyone new. How could you fairly give everyone a payrise, but make it so the lowest paid person got the highest rise. And the highest paid person got the lowest raise.

Everyone gets a raise, and no one overtakes anyone so they suddenly earn more than someone who used to earn more than them.

Also if there were 3 people on different salaries, say on £24,000, £26,000 and £28,000, their new salaries would be similarly arranged (just not a 2k gap between them).

If your current budget is £100k and you're doubling it, why can you not divide the new 100k evenly between everyone?
The top paid person's new salary would increase by the same monetary amount, but be worth less of a percentage to them.

So where S is existing salary, B is new budget, and n is number of employees you'd have:

new salary for each person = ((B/n)/S) * 100)

Does that work? is it fair?

It works as a percentage, but it doesn't actually bring everyone closer together. (ie if person A earns £5000 more than person B before hand, they will still earn £5000 more after the raise. I wanted to try and reduce the gap between everyone (not just as a percentage).

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

If you're doubling the budget, and you want to bring people closer together, just increase the lowest paid persons salary by the highest paid persons salary, and so on, but then everyone will end up being paid exactly the same.

You could probably fiddle it so the lowest paid person gets increased by the highest amount minus the number of employees /2, then you'd just end up with everyone having increasing salaries by £1.

Bit more fiddling required for odd number of employees, but you get the drift.

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 13:44

This better not be a question for next week's quiz.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 14:00

https://seoi.net/penint/?s=08

Takes whatever you are drawing (like a cat or whatever) , and turns it into a better drawing for you

Jem · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 14:28

TheVision wrote:

This better not be a question for next week's quiz.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 15:12

Had new yale locks fitted, and the spare keys are ordered form Yale. The irony of having my house keys posted to me is not lost.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 17:49

KovacsC wrote:

The irony of having my house keys posted to me is not lost.

Fingers crossed the parcel isn't, either.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 17:51

MaliA wrote:

https://seoi.net/penint/?s=08
Takes whatever you are drawing (like a cat or whatever) , and turns it into a better drawing for you

You got me.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:04

GazChap wrote:

KovacsC wrote:

The irony of having my house keys posted to me is not lost.

Fingers crossed the parcel isn't, either.

Yes, me too. £40 for 3 spare keys...

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:16

Say what? For Yale keys? Are they made out of titanium or something?

We have to pay a stupid amount of money for spare keys for our front door lock because they're "Ultion" keys but I wouldn't expect that for Yale.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:19

GazChap wrote:

Say what? For Yale keys? Are they made out of titanium or something?

We have to pay a stupid amount of money for spare keys for our front door lock because they're "Ultion" keys but I wouldn't expect that for Yale.

https://yalehome.co.uk/yale-dws-spare-k ... -set-of-3/

These are the ones, you get a fob with the codes on.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:26

Ah OK, they're a bit like the Ultion ones then.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:32

Just for the record, I used those in my rental houses, it means that the tenants can't get extra ones cut so I know they don't have keys to sneak back in (I always change the locks anyway, but still).

They are really easy to fit yourself and you can buy a lock with as many keys as you need in the first place. eBay is a good place to buy them.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:34

That is good to know. The door came with 3 keys.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:42

KovacsC wrote:

That is good to know. The door came with 3 keys.

That's pretty standard.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:44

Now looking, I could have replaced the lock with 6 keys, for roughly the same price..

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

My new front door has Ultion keys. I ordered some extras earlier today - all I gave them was the number on the key and an address to send them to, which feels shockingly non-secure.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:49

That was the same with yale. There are cheaper places but giving a random person on amazon, my address and key details, was worrying.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

It's not that bit I'm concerned about, it's the idea that someone can snap a quick photo of my keys lying on the table in a coffee shop and can then just order themselves a copy of my door key

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Although the new door doesn't latch unless you manually lock it with the key so basically my front door is just always unlocked now.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:53

Cras wrote:

It's not that bit I'm concerned about, it's the idea that someone can snap a quick photo of my keys lying on the table in a coffee shop and can then just order themselves a copy of my door key

ah... the yale came with a key fob with the numbers on. There is nothing on the keys

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 18:54

Cras wrote:

Although the new door doesn't latch unless you manually lock it with the key so basically my front door is just always unlocked now.

You want one of these?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N16CU2T/ ... NrPXRydWU=

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Nah I'm good. I just don't do locked doors now. This feels okay. More than bothering to do anything about it, anyway.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 19:18

Cras wrote:

My new front door has Ultion keys. I ordered some extras earlier today - all I gave them was the number on the key and an address to send them to, which feels shockingly non-secure.

“Give me back my keys!”

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 19:22

Cras wrote:

My new front door has Ultion keys. I ordered some extras earlier today - all I gave them was the number on the key and an address to send them to, which feels shockingly non-secure

I got my spares cut at Timpson, and had to leave my original key with them.

Nevertheless, I would assume that Ultion have a database of key numbers and addresses and will only send the spare keys for your "keycode" out to the address that is registered?

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 19:45

Fucking waited years for this

https://twitter.com/MaliciousA/status/1 ... 7172003840

Poorly reviewed on trip advisor, seems it is a Shih Tzu https://t.co/C1RO5AeZjN
— MaliciousA (@MaliciousA) March 5, 2021

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Mar 05, 2021 20:18

Bravo!

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

I have just lost some minutes to http://www.birdsarentreal.com.

From their FAQ:

Quote:

By vocally establishing dominance over the drone in this moment, your fear should subside, allowing you to remember that you are the human, and that is merely a robot.

Very important FAQ about the apostrophe, too.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

GazChap wrote:

Cras wrote:

My new front door has Ultion keys. I ordered some extras earlier today - all I gave them was the number on the key and an address to send them to, which feels shockingly non-secure

I got my spares cut at Timpson, and had to leave my original key with them.

Nevertheless, I would assume that Ultion have a database of key numbers and addresses and will only send the spare keys for your "keycode" out to the address that is registered?

I don't believe that's the case, from the conversation I had with them

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Sat Mar 06, 2021 14:35

Cras wrote:

GazChap wrote:

Cras wrote:

My new front door has Ultion keys. I ordered some extras earlier today - all I gave them was the number on the key and an address to send them to, which feels shockingly non-secure

I got my spares cut at Timpson, and had to leave my original key with them.

Nevertheless, I would assume that Ultion have a database of key numbers and addresses and will only send the spare keys for your "keycode" out to the address that is registered?

I don't believe that's the case, from the conversation I had with them

I believe my father had some kind of card he needed to get them to make spares for his doot keys.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Mar 06, 2021 14:43

A ton of books I have been given.

@zardoz. These are the 40k books

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25593

Joans wrote:

If you're doubling the budget, and you want to bring people closer together, just increase the lowest paid persons salary by the highest paid persons salary, and so on, but then everyone will end up being paid exactly the same.

You could probably fiddle it so the lowest paid person gets increased by the highest amount minus the number of employees /2, then you'd just end up with everyone having increasing salaries by £1.

Bit more fiddling required for odd number of employees, but you get the drift.

You could increase the lowest paid person’s salary by (for example) 30% of the highest paid person’s, and increase the highest paid person’s wage by 30% of the lowest, etc, all the way through the organisation. It’d give everyone a raise and bring the wages closer together. Whatever is left you could just split between everyone equally. You could try other percentages, of course, depending on the scale of the disparity.

Malc · **Posted:** Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:11

Mimi wrote:

Joans wrote:

If you're doubling the budget, and you want to bring people closer together, just increase the lowest paid persons salary by the highest paid persons salary, and so on, but then everyone will end up being paid exactly the same.

You could probably fiddle it so the lowest paid person gets increased by the highest amount minus the number of employees /2, then you'd just end up with everyone having increasing salaries by £1.

Bit more fiddling required for odd number of employees, but you get the drift.

You could increase the lowest paid person’s salary by (for example) 30% of the highest paid person’s, and increase the highest paid person’s wage by 30% of the lowest, etc, all the way through the organisation. It’d give everyone a raise and bring the wages closer together. Whatever is left you could just split between everyone equally. You could try other percentages, of course, depending on the scale of the disparity.

That would work in a real world scenario, where someone would know all the actual salaries of the employees, but in my theoretical scenario, where I want a nice simple formula, it's not quite what I'm after.

Thanks for all your suggestions guys, for my nonsense. It's far more time than it reasonably deserves!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25593

You couldn’t apply any formula without knowing the wages of the employees, as you wouldn’t know who to apply the rates to without knowing what they earned to start with, if working with a specific budget.

Malc · **Posted:** Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:52

I was thinking if the salaries were between £20,000 and £2,000,000 say. With a normal distribution.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:41

Bloody hell, Kov! That’ll keep you going for some time!

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sun Mar 07, 2021 13:15

Zardoz wrote:

Bloody hell, Kov! That’ll keep you going for some time!

Yes. I will have to look at what order to read them.

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Sun Mar 07, 2021 13:52

KovacsC wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Bloody hell, Kov! That’ll keep you going for some time!

Yes. I will have to look at what order to read them.

I’d be researching the authors to immediately discount the ones you shouldn’t read because you won’t like their style, or they’re not very good. Even if you read a lot, that’s several years worth of books to get through.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Dan Abnett would be my pick of the GW authors, though that's not necessarily saying a great deal.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon Mar 08, 2021 14:25

zaphod79 wrote:

KovacsC wrote:

I can keep the door and they will swap the handles or I can ask for a replacement door.

So you've not got what you ordered and to correct that will cost them money

For their side :

You keep the door as is - costs them nothing
You keep the door and they swap out the handles - costs them a small amount
They swap the door for the right one - costs them the most

If you really want the door you ordered get them to change it for the one they were supposed to put in
If your okay with the one you have then ask them for a partial refund (regardless of the handles or not) ?

They offered me £50. Which is not too bad, and I kinda like the door.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

Hey, "The World". Shut the fuck about the Royal Family. No one cares as much as you seem to think we do. So shush. It's boring.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:20

DavPaz wrote:

Hey, "The World". Shut the fuck about the Royal Family. No one cares as much as you seem to think we do. So shush. It's boring.

Oh I agree. I did not watch it.

Although Morgans strop on TV has made me chuckle.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

KovacsC wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Hey, "The World". Shut the fuck about the Royal Family. No one cares as much as you seem to think we do. So shush. It's boring.

Oh I agree. I did not watch it.

Although Morgans strop on TV has made me chuckle.

Morgan's strop? I missed that.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:06

The weather man, called him out on his bullying, and the cockwomble stormed off..

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

The bloody weatherman

No wonder he stormed off

KovacsC · **Posted:** Tue Mar 09, 2021 13:31

groan....

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