Be Excellent To Each Other

I am not sure, why folks are not getting this

Usual attitudes I've read on facebook "it won't affect me" / "it's not that bad" / "I'm not high risk so I won't die"

Dunt phrases it better than I can.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1247109546922905601

But there's a kind of angry puritanism developing which is unhelpful. We're operating on the intersection between people's self-interest and their social responsibility.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) April 6, 2020

This clapping for the NHS is annoying me, too.

That is totally how viruses work.. FFS

We just need 10x the fine with minimal discretion. That would put a stop to it faster than more rules.

Yep, more police power. They should shoot to kill anyone outside at any time

I like your thinking.

I'm getting fed up of people going to parks and deliberately taking pictures along a long path to make it look more crowded that it actually is. They get picked up printed all over newspapers and next thing we're all locked in our fucking homes for the rest of this shitty nightmare. Stand in the middle of a field and take pictures of the scene, if everyone's still shoulder to shoulder then fair enough. But that wouldn't get them their precious, precious attention would it. Fuckheads.

There are also people sharing photos from e.g. last summer for the outrage clicks/reactions, which is shit, but some people ARE being dicks about the rules which is ultimately going to screw us all over in the long run. It's easy to see why people are getting to the 'angry puritanism' stage.

My ex appears to have turned the corner in the last 48 hours after 14 days of being largely bed bound.
My sister and her partner still have it but it doesn't currently appear to be too bad.

It doesn't matter so much what some people are doing, as long as the vast majority are doing the right thing. Are a few people sunbathing really going to make any difference to anything when people are still using buses and going to work, shopping etc etc. Of course you don't want to send out the message that it's fine but it's starting to feel like "stronger measures" is being used as a threat. But the people not giving a toss still won't give a toss. Honestly not sure what they're trying to actually achieve.

yes, things are changing quickly.

Correct.

What science do you think changed in 2 hours?

No, but advice can change.

And advice isn't rules.

especially when you're just making it up as you go along, rather than having any thought out coherent plan.

I think it's clear that the government haven't a fucking clue what they're doing and are flip flopping back and forth, but I'm not sure that changes the fact that some people are just deliberately looking for every loophole they can.

Re: a stricter lockdown feeling like a threat - surely that's the point? Unless you think they won't follow through?

What coherent plan, would you like?

I guess they are trying to avoid a full lock down, like Spain.

What sort of loop hole do you mean?

I am referring to the likes of people going out for family picnics and calling it their "recommended exercise" because they had to walk from the car to the picnic spot and back again. The likes of people locally who have been seen visiting family members but it's OK because they all sat 2m apart from each other in their garden (never mind the amount of times they touch the gates, chairs, mugs etc while there).

And then of course you've got the scenes from Richmond Park over the weekend. That's not loophole busting so much as just blatant disregard for people's lives.

Ta.

A number of the IT staff at my new job have just been furloughed this morning. I reckon I would've been if I'd been there a few weeks longer.

How about trying to avoid thousands of deaths?

A goal without a plan is just a dream

Yes, which is why the advice is changing. To minimise the contact, etc.

Yes, totally. It's fabulous and moving, and I love the accounts from people who were sceptical and found themselves very moved. But because it was scheduled, and way after other countries had their own, it was never a spontaneous outpouring, and quickly changed to more like a "why aren't you wearing a poppy? Everyone should wear a poppy!" kind of thing. And here, in the heart of Conservative Hertfordshire, it feels awfully off-note.

Ive been struggling to to put my finger on the cause of my discomfort with the 8pm clap, and I think you've hit the nail on the head.

They've literally given directly contradictory advice, which is clearly going to confuse people.

They've also lied about how many tests/masks they've got coming.

I wonder how many deaths will have been caused by their initial "take it on the chin" strategy.

None, the real danger is from people lying down on the grass.

Tell that to the government

Oh deary dear

Or they have given advice then corrected it. depends on how you look at it.

It is not confusing, just follow the latest advice.

I don't think that's the case, but if it were, why is the old incorrect for some reason tweet still posted, for people to easily see?

The first is still correct, it says you can exercise in the park. Which is fine, as you are allowed to.

The second i read as don't go to the park to sunbath etc....

So you don’t at all see how they could be construed as contradictory and cause confusion?

Not really, as the first line in the first tweet, is exercise only.... I think they are the same

I think the idea that people are not following the gov's advice because it's contradictory and confusing is ridiculous - because as markg said (and you said was "Correct" Mr Chonks) most people are following the advice. If it were that confusing, surely more people would be ignoring the advice?

That doesn't make the gov any less bloody incompetent mind you.

Boris is taken to intensive care.

Supposedly the mortality rate for COVID-19 patients that end up in ICU is basically 50%.

Which, and I know this makes me a bit of a twat, just makes me think of The Naked Gun. “Doctors say he’s got a 50/50 chance of living, though there’s only a 10% chance of that.”

I am both wildly startled - because who would really expect it? - and not at all surprised - because he doesn't seem like he is in robust shape, health wise, and the silence was telling its own story. Fingers crossed for everyone suffering.

DWP about to declare him fit to work then.

I'm sure IDS is just caught on the hop, and not quite able to sound reassuring, but this is not:

You are a bad man. Did cause a guilty laugh though.

He’s being treated by a Dr. Hugh Briss and nurse Ira Knee.

He was looking really rough last Thursday.

I expect he’s in a hospital with a team of doctors and nurses looking after him round the clock, even before ICU. Not saying it’s not serious but he’s probably getting better care than if one of us plebs had to go in.