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 Post subject: Re: Awful videogame companies
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 22:29 
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So for games like KF2 on Steam, where you can sell the stuff you get from opening loot boxes on Steam marketplace, that would be covered?


Sounds like. The fact that you you can't sell anything on is certainly a big protection under that description. I suppose it's like the arcades that award tickets for winning shit. You're exchanging tickets rather than money for prizes, and that level of abstraction is enough to keep it out of legislation that's never imagined this situation.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 22:45 
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Don’t you sell things for Steam credit though? Not actual cash.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:04 
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Don’t you sell things for Steam credit though? Not actual cash.


"Monetary value" though innit? The credit you get is measured in actual pounds and pence so certainly falls foul of that ruling.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 13:19 
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Sounds like. The fact that you you can't sell anything on is certainly a big protection under that description. I suppose it's like the arcades that award tickets for winning shit. You're exchanging tickets rather than money for prizes, and that level of abstraction is enough to keep it out of legislation that's never imagined this situation.


This is the crux of it for me, they're fending off the 'it's not gambling' accusation on a technicality of outdated legislation that desperately needs to catch up to a reality that has only really come about in the last few years.

The contents of loot boxes clearly hold tremendous value for many people, even if they're not money or have monetary value.

Heck, I'm really quite proud of my Hearthstone card collection, which is literally a collection of digital cards (which can't be traded or sold) that only exist in a single game, and would disappear the second Blizzard turn the servers off.

Loot boxes are a form of predatory and psychologically manipulative gambling, the law needs to catch up, and any game that contains them should be a Certificate 18.

The mere fact that EA resort to talking about all the parental controls that exist to control spending in games like Fifa (suitable for ages 3 and up!) demonstrates that it's not suitable for children in the first fucking place.

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 Post subject: Re: Awful videogame companies
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 14:51 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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I had never thought it as gambling before. Quite interesting.

Legally, it isn't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49074003

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The UK gambling watchdog has told MPs that it does not currently oversee the purchase of in-game content like Fifa player packs and video game loot boxes.

This is because there is no official way to monetise what is inside them.

A prize has to be either money or have monetary value in order for it to fall under gambling legislation.


Currently. The whole point of the committee that Eviltronic Arts made their 'suprise mechanics' bullshit presentation to is looking at whether the law should be changed.

Which it probably should.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 15:09 
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Eviltronic Arts

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 16:21 
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Pundabaya wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Legally, it isn't.

Currently.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:49 
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https://uk.ign.com/articles/2019/07/25/ ... 05931475=1

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Wonderful looking Ooblets, what I have bin wortchin for a year or so now, has announced their Epic Store exclusivity. Quite upset.

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 Post subject: Re: Awful videogame companies
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:54 
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Jim covers the increasing trend of microtransactions being added to games a couple of months after launch.

For the TL:DWers

1) It avoids negative publicity in reviews, as microtransactions are basically now critical appraisal kryptonite. Reviewers can't comment on stuff that doesn't exist.

2) When the game is rated by the ESRB, they don't get the 'contains in-app purchases' label (The ESRB do eventually update their digital guidance for this, but physical copies of course escape, and the guidance printed on their boxes then becomes misleading).

3) They get players invested in the game and committed to grinding out all the stuff they want, before adding in a convenient cash shortcut to purchase all those things with real, hard cash. (Despite the fact the players bought the product as a full price complete game upfront.)

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Hearthly wrote:
Jim covers the increasing trend of microtransactions being added to games a couple of months after launch.

For the TL:DWers

1) It avoids negative publicity in reviews, as microtransactions are basically now critical appraisal kryptonite. Reviewers can't comment on stuff that doesn't exist.

2) When the game is rated by the ESRB, they don't get the 'contains in-app purchases' label (The ESRB do eventually update their digital guidance for this, but physical copies of course escape, and the guidance printed on their boxes then becomes misleading).

3) They get players invested in the game and committed to grinding out all the stuff they want, before adding in a convenient cash shortcut to purchase all those things with real, hard cash. (Despite the fact the players bought the product as a full price complete game upfront.)

TL:DR


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 Post subject: Re: Awful videogame companies
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TL:DR


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 Post subject: Re: Awful videogame companies
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:08 
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Hearthly wrote:
Jim covers the increasing trend of microtransactions being added to games a couple of months after launch.



That does sound like a really shitty practice. Is paying for things the new cheat code? Do cheat codes even exist in games much nowadays? It's been a long time since I played a modern game.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:41 
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Tetris Effect PC is Epic exclusive. Dagnamit


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 Post subject: Re: Awful videogame companies
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:20 
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Sir Taxalot wrote:
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Jim covers the increasing trend of microtransactions being added to games a couple of months after launch.



That does sound like a really shitty practice. Is paying for things the new cheat code? Do cheat codes even exist in games much nowadays? It's been a long time since I played a modern game.


It's worse than that. Ubisoft introduced a 'Player Quest Designer' for the latest Assassin's Creed game (so a nice way to get people to make free content for your game....), and of course one of the first things that people did is design quests that gave loads of XP for practically zero effort, and release them onto the official download area for player generated content.

Now, this is a single player game, it doesn't affect anyone else, so what's the problem?

Well, of course, the game is notoriously grindy and level-gated, particularly in the midgame, to the extent that Ubisoft actually sell a $10 'XP Booster' for it, this is a paid add-on for a single player game that literally means you have to play less of it.

The problem with these player designed quests that give loads of XP for little effort is that it treads on Ubisoft's toes for selling their XP Boosters (in their already full price game), so all these quests were removed with Ubisoft stating that the quests 'didn't meet their high standards', and also that action may be taken against people who repeatedly upload quests that 'violate community guidelines'.

So even your single player game isn't yours any more.

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DavPaz wrote:
Tetris Effect PC is Epic exclusive. Dagnamit

I still don't get why this is an issue for people.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:58 
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DavPaz wrote:
Tetris Effect PC is Epic exclusive. Dagnamit

I still don't get why this is an issue for people.

It's a moot point anyway, as I'm not paying £32 for Tetris. I'll wait for it to be £10


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:01 
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DavPaz wrote:
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Tetris Effect PC is Epic exclusive. Dagnamit

I still don't get why this is an issue for people.

It's a moot point anyway, as I'm not paying £32 for Tetris. I'll wait for it to be £10


If one has a PS4 with PS+, you can get it for about £15 at the moment as Sony are doing 25% off items bought on PSN, with a code.


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If one has a PS4 with PS+, you can get it for about £15 at the moment as Sony are doing 25% off items bought on PSN, with a code.

One does not. But thanks for looking out for me ;)


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DavPaz wrote:
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If one has a PS4 with PS+, you can get it for about £15 at the moment as Sony are doing 25% off items bought on PSN, with a code.

One does not. But thanks for looking out for me ;)


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I'm not going to play Borderlands 3, but I am very curious about how much drama there is going to be circling Randy Pitchford between now and it's release next month.


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My dutch paper has a big article on the (originally dutch) site Booking.com ... it ain;t just game companies who are nasty.. phew..

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 16:39 
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BECTU have released a damning study that essentially paints the games industry as the playground of a bunch of slavedriving bullies.

I would say they're right—my missus is an R&D lead at a well-known developer of AAA titles, and is patronised, bullied, belittled and uncredited constantly. I myself worked for Games Workshop* for some years, and left because the culture of bullying and dismissiveness was making me ashamed to work there (I was part of a group there who set up an LGBT forum, only to be told seniors would refuse to recognise it as it wasn't 'an important issue'.)

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Do you need to hoover up any copywriters? I hate where I am now.


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