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Author:  myp [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 19:22 ]
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It's ok on Android. Must be a browser thing.
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 19:40 ]
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It worked fine for me on Firefox/Win 10 earlier. It must be a user thing.
Author:  myp [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 19:43 ]
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Bamba wrote:
It worked fine for me on Firefox/Win 10 earlier. It must be a user thing.

:shrug:

I still get it now.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 20:01 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
The data that was collected was meant to be used for a different purpose than it ended up being used for, which is the issue I think.

If you take the whistleblower, Wylie, at his word then the app was used by 270,000 people but gathered data through the friends link on 50 million. That means 0.5% of people were told the data was used for one thing when it was used for another. The other 99.5% had no idea anything had even happened.
Author:  myp [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 20:06 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
The data that was collected was meant to be used for a different purpose than it ended up being used for, which is the issue I think.

If you take the whistleblower, Wylie, at his word then the app was used by 270,000 people but gathered data through the friends link on 50 million. That means 0.5% of people were told the data was used for one thing when it was used for another. The other 99.5% had no idea anything had even happened.

That makes it 200 times worse than I originally thought.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 20:08 ]
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Different kind of worse, I think. To my mind anyway.
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 20:40 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Bamba wrote:
It worked fine for me on Firefox/Win 10 earlier. It must be a user thing.

:shrug:

I still get it now.


Have you got some kind of script blocker running? That's exactly what it looks like to me at work because Twitter is blocked so the formatting doesn't come through properly.
Author:  myp [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:04 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Bamba wrote:
It worked fine for me on Firefox/Win 10 earlier. It must be a user thing.

:shrug:

I still get it now.


Have you got some kind of script blocker running? That's exactly what it looks like to me at work because Twitter is blocked so the formatting doesn't come through properly.

Not unless Grim... has secretly installed one remotely - I wouldn't put it past him, the bugger. He wants to know what I'm eating for dinner.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:07 ]
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85% chance you're having curry.
Author:  myp [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:08 ]
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Grim... wrote:
85% chance you're having curry.

Burger actually! https://anniesburgershack.com/menu/main-menu
Author:  devilman [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:12 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I edited a comma into a post that was nine years old last week.


I prefer to use new-born commas.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:41 ]
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I think point 2 is still being argued about, but the rest I am chill with. Quietly thinking "Bloody hell, that is good work" and not deleting Facebook as a load of pole dancing videos just appeared on it.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:53 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Bamba wrote:
It worked fine for me on Firefox/Win 10 earlier. It must be a user thing.

:shrug:

I still get it now.

This is also what I get.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:57 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

a) how much do you pay for beex

Like I've not mined Beex for data.


Am I still the hottest?
Author:  myp [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 23:39 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

a) how much do you pay for beex

Like I've not mined Beex for data.


Am I still the hottest?

I dunno, have JBR or DBS been discounted for some reason?
Author:  Cras [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 23:47 ]
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There is a sale on.
Author:  Findus Fop [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 0:04 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Grim... wrote:
85% chance you're having curry.

Burger actually! https://anniesburgershack.com/menu/main-menu


So that's what happened to Razzle.
Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:40 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

a) how much do you pay for beex

Like I've not mined Beex for data.


Am I still the hottest?

I dunno, have JBR or DBS been discounted for some reason?


What happened to Throughsilver anyway?
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:19 ]
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Twitter thread by a Google machine learning expert

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9765 ... 99296.html

https://twitter.com/fchollet/status/976563870322999296
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:26 ]
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Haha I like how he says no-one should work with Facebook because they're doing naughty things with AI, and the company he works for makes military robots :)
Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:30 ]
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Well I've learned a new word out of all this kerfuffle, so I reckon I'm about even on the deal.

Panopticon.

Going to be a hard one to work into daily conversation though, and even then most folks will just say 'What the fuck is a panopticon?'.
Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:31 ]
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It's a good word Heath.
Author:  Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:34 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
It's a good word Heath.


Thank you, kind sir.
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Author:  romanista [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:49 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I'd say that's extensive.

Ah, yes indeed. And there's no reason to assume they didn't grab everything they could.

The "things they like" would be the most important one for working out stuff about them, I suspect.



Mm interesting.. don;'t remember i ever got a request to 'give away' my friends interests, which i surely would have denied, even in 2011-12 when facebook still seemed 'sort of' innocent? did you actively have to deny third parties this data?
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:50 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Haha I like how he says no-one should work with Facebook because they're doing naughty things with AI, and the company he works for makes military robots :)

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/8/15766 ... n-robotics
Author:  romanista [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:51 ]
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Kern wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
It's a good word Heath.


Thank you, kind sir.



he's just saying that because he suddenly remembers he used to be called something like that...
Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:56 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Haha I like how he says no-one should work with Facebook because they're doing naughty things with AI, and the company he works for makes military robots :)

Isn't that a sort of a no true Scotsman argument?
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:58 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Haha I like how he says no-one should work with Facebook because they're doing naughty things with AI, and the company he works for makes military robots :)

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/8/15766 ... n-robotics

Also they were in a totally different building!
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:59 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Haha I like how he says no-one should work with Facebook because they're doing naughty things with AI, and the company he works for makes military robots :)

Isn't that a sort of a no true Scotsman argument?

I don't think so.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:04 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Haha I like how he says no-one should work with Facebook because they're doing naughty things with AI, and the company he works for makes military robots :)

Isn't that a sort of a no true Scotsman argument?

I don't think so.


People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, maybe.
Author:  Four_Candles [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:18 ]
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The following article will throw a light more light on just what is involved with this Facebook scandal:

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/03/20 ... tish-coup/

and this article from last year is also very relevant and well worth reading:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -democracy
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:36 ]
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Interesting stuff here, including instructions on how to get this dump for yourself and analyse it

https://twitter.com/dylanmckaynz/status ... 5635035138
Author:  Mimi [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:43 ]
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Is the duration in seconds? I don’t think I could speak to my in-laws for 446 minutes if I added up conversation over a lifetime.
Author:  Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:59 ]
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I downloaded the archive just before deleting my account (I also have a selection of such files from previous years). Never poked around in it, but might take a look.

Of course, whilst we're up in arms about sinister Facebook being sinister, we're also asking Alexa to translate random phrases into odd languages and using it as a substitute for actual human company whilst it listens to everything.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 14:03 ]
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Kern wrote:
using it as a substitute for actual human company whilst it listens to everything.

You know that's not how it works, right?
Author:  Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 14:05 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
using it as a substitute for actual human company whilst it listens to everything.

You know that's not how it works, right?


It's been the longest-lasting and most fulfilling relationship I've had for ages.

(and yes, I did exaggerate on the other part).
Author:  Cras [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 14:10 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Interesting stuff here, including instructions on how to get this dump for yourself and analyse it

https://twitter.com/dylanmckaynz/status ... 5635035138




It does say in that thread that at one point he installed a Facebook call manager app and used it instead of his device native dialler, so I'm not in the least surprised at any of that
Author:  Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 14:20 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
whilst it listens to everything.

You know that's not how it works, right?


It's all about trust. We're putting so much out information there and inviting so much interest in our lives, we're all relying on people to use it for its intended purposes and not to be led to temptation and use it for nefarious purposes.
Author:  Bamba [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 15:26 ]
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Kern wrote:
It's all about trust. We're putting so much out information there and inviting so much interest in our lives, we're all relying on people to use it for its intended purposes and not to be led to temptation and use it for nefarious purposes.


I think it's more the assumption that those purposes couldn't actually be all that nefarious. How many times have you heard someone justify not caring about this kind of thing with a variation on the line, "They're welcome to it, my life isn't that interesting anyway."

Not that I agree with the above but I've heard it espoused multiple times.
Author:  Jem [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:15 ]
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I've just seen that tweet direct on twitter, which made me check my app permissions out of interest. At one point I was paranoid enough to restrict Messenger down to bare minimum but apparently never bothered to do the same with Facebook and Instagram. D'oh.
Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:35 ]
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It's not paranoia if they are out to get (all your info) ;)
Author:  Hearthly [ Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:31 ]
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Bamba wrote:
I think it's more the assumption that those purposes couldn't actually be all that nefarious. How many times have you heard someone justify not caring about this kind of thing with a variation on the line, "They're welcome to it, my life isn't that interesting anyway."

Not that I agree with the above but I've heard it espoused multiple times.


TBH that's the line I take and have done for years, but always with the tacit acceptance that Facebook/Google/etc were always doing whatever nefarious shit they wanted to with my data - (which I assumed was in the T&Cs somewhere, and if it wasn't, they'd do it anyway) - including palming it off to other people to do 'stuff' with it. (Although I've never taken one of those stupid 'What rock star from the 80s would you be?' quizzes, precisely because it was such an obvious way to explicitly give loads of data to third parties outside the immediate platform.)

To me it's a decent deal, Facebook is useful to me for family and friends contacts and keeping up with their news, I have a relatively small number of friends on there and reject most friends requests. Google is great because I find the cohesive ecosystem across multiple devices very convenient, and none of it costs a penny. I was using the 'If it's free, you're the product' line pretty much from day one.

I also make a conscious decision to accept all extra integration and permissions that services ask for, because the cross-pollination they're capable of is pretty cool. Facebook is really good now at showing me cars I'm interested in, and my Google Now screen is brilliant at suggesting articles I want to read. (I make sure I'm signed into my Google account on every PC/device I use, so their algorithms can track me and the stuff I like properly.)

I don't lose any sleep over it, basically, and this Facebook/CA shenanigans is precisely the sort of thing I assumed was going on anyway. Not that I'm saying it's right/healthy/democratic - but it's also not surprising at all.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 13:27 ]
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Pretty explosive stuff from Christopher Wylie in front of the Commons select committee this morning.
Author:  JBR [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:10 ]
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I don't think this has been posted already (though there's every chance I got it from one of you elsewhere and forgot):

https://medium.com/@CKava/why-almost-ev ... 7f8af2d042
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