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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 14:22 
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Ignoring people isn't at all 'snowflakey'. If someone regularly posts things that either annoy or upset you, putting them on ignore is a way to enjoy the forum more. Every form of online interaction has had the ability to ignore going back twenty years or more.

Well, that's a point of view, certainly. My point was I'm somewhat surprised that anyone gets that pissed off by interactions on here, given what it is. God knows I've been pissed off by people here on occasion (including people I like, as you don't always get on with everyone and everyone has off days, including me, you'd be surprised to hear) but the grown up answer is to just call them a cunt.


You might ignore someone because you find them boring, not because you angrily disagree with them. I suspect that's a more frequent use case here.

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I just wish people could be more honest. If Grim... or whomever just wishes people like me would simply quietly feck off and let him enjoy his forum with like-minded mates, and sent me a PM along those lines (or, hell, rang me up), then I'd be sad but would entirely understand, and would comply. Just save all this nasty bullshit; I find it all so dishonest, apart from anything else.


What nasty bullshit? No one, aside from you right now, has attempted to bring any drama to this conversation; it's all been perfectly polite constructive chat about forum functionality. It's also possibly worth noting that not a single person has mentioned you here so maybe assuming everything is about you is a touch premature.


In my opinion, implementing a function which forces another user to be denied access to your posts is an unpleasant, nasty development, for obvious reasons that I have already explained (most especially if it is done by a group, hardly an inconceivable development I would've thought; thereby rendering the user denied of most/all content and therefore de facto banned). That it is even being openly considered at all is most disappointing, to me at least.

As for whom this type of functionality could be used against, and not wishing to be unduly paranoid, it doesn't take a genius to work out those few, among the 20 or so regular posters here, for whom such a thing could be deemed to be "useful" and/or relevant. That's sad, I guess.

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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore.


I know you're more open-minded than this. Getting wound up by someone is just one reason why you might Foe someone.

I can see that yes, but I don't recall seeing any examples of the sorts of things that I think you're getting at. Maybe I miss a lot of the interactions that cause this then? I'm not in here ad much as I was a few years ago, to be fair.

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Well, that's a point of view, certainly. My point was I'm somewhat surprised that anyone gets that pissed off by interactions on here, given what it is.

Why would being pissed off with someone be the only reason you'd block them? Perhaps they post spoilers, or they keep repeating things you're bored of reading, or any number of reasons. It doesn't have to be boiling rage. It might just be "I'm bored of this person." Ignoring them feels like a much more mature response than, as you suggest, 'calling them a cunt."


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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.


I must admit, that is precisely how I feel about it, too.

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Ignoring people isn't at all 'snowflakey'. If someone regularly posts things that either annoy or upset you, putting them on ignore is a way to enjoy the forum more. Every form of online interaction has had the ability to ignore going back twenty years or more.

Well, that's a point of view, certainly. My point was I'm somewhat surprised that anyone gets that pissed off by interactions on here, given what it is. God knows I've been pissed off by people here on occasion (including people I like, as you don't always get on with everyone and everyone has off days, including me, you'd be surprised to hear) but the grown up answer is to just call them a cunt.


You might ignore someone because you find them boring, not because you angrily disagree with them. I suspect that's a more frequent use case here.

Well I'm sure that's the case, yes, but a simpler expedient would be not reading their WALL OF TEXT TITLER posts. Even CUS occasionally wrote stuff worth reading.

So I wouldn't bother putting anyone on ignore but I guess other people clearly find it useful.I can't really entirely understand why but each to their own. I'm not suggesting it gets turned off but I don't buy into it as a necessity for somewhere like this.

I guess I'm more against the idea of a block function - its fine for Twitter but the dynamic is very different in a forum and it could have unintended consequences.

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Before getting angry about it though, it's worth noting that everyone seems to agree - a block is a bad idea.

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I guess I'm more against the idea of a block function - its fine for Twitter but the dynamic is very different in a forum and it could have unintended consequences.

It already is :roll:

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Well, that's a point of view, certainly. My point was I'm somewhat surprised that anyone gets that pissed off by interactions on here, given what it is.

Why would being pissed off with someone be the only reason you'd block them? Perhaps they post spoilers, or they keep repeating things you're bored of reading, or any number of reasons. It doesn't have to be boiling rage. It might just be "I'm bored of this person." Ignoring them feels like a much more mature response than, as you suggest, 'calling them a cunt."

I obviously wasn't being serious about calling them a cunt you noodle.

I'm going to end up repeating myself now, but I guess I can't understand the necessity for that - even some of the most irritating people who've been here have said stuff worth reading from time to time. I'm not proposing getting rid of the ignore function just expressing surprise that it should be felt to be a necessity.

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Before getting angry about it though, it's worth noting that everyone seems to agree - a block is a bad idea.

No one is getting angry about anything are they?

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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.

Sounds like you're the one getting wound up here, tbh. Maybe you need a safe space somewhere where people can't ignore you?

Well, if you want to be needlessly confrontational and read in to my post whatever makes you happy, that's up to you chap. I was just joining in a conversation, I wasn't aware I'd said anything to warrant that sort of a response, but again, up to you.

If you think that was a particularly robust response then etc etc.

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I'm going to end up repeating myself now, but I guess I can't understand the necessity for that - even some of the most irritating people who've been here have said stuff worth reading from time to time. I'm not proposing getting rid of the ignore function just expressing surprise that it should be felt to be a necessity.

a) I don't think that's true for everyone ie. not everyone feels that everyone else here occasionally says stuff worth reading. Citation: the current use of ignore function.
b) even if it were true, there's still a cost/benefit analysis if "from time to time" is long enough, so it doesn't mean ignoring is an irrational decision.


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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.

Sounds like you're the one getting wound up here, tbh. Maybe you need a safe space somewhere where people can't ignore you?

Well, if you want to be needlessly confrontational and read in to my post whatever makes you happy, that's up to you chap. I was just joining in a conversation, I wasn't aware I'd said anything to warrant that sort of a response, but again, up to you.

If you think that was a particularly robust response then etc etc.

Well if you genuienly meant that as something that wasnt needlessly snarky then I apologise, but it did rather seem to be edging into the personal for no reason.

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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.

Sounds like you're the one getting wound up here, tbh. Maybe you need a safe space somewhere where people can't ignore you?

Well, if you want to be needlessly confrontational and read in to my post whatever makes you happy, that's up to you chap. I was just joining in a conversation, I wasn't aware I'd said anything to warrant that sort of a response, but again, up to you.

If you think that was a particularly robust response then etc etc.

Well if you genuienly meant that as something that wasnt needlessly snarky then I apologise, but it did rather seem to be edging into the personal for no reason.

It wasn't *needlessly* snarky, no. It was more making the point that those who rail against "safe spaces" and absolute free speech with no consequences are usually those who justify having them in the first place.

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Also, don't forget that you don't have free speech on Beex.

Exactly. Cras is wrong. It's not a public forum. A lot of people don't even know what a public forum is.

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It's a forum open to the public, though.


Only those with internet though. Which seems discriminatory.

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It's a forum open to the public, though.

Well yeah, and that's what people mean when they say it usually. A 'public forum' is something very specific and it pertains to the government not being able to stop you saying what you like (as long as it isn't what they define as hate speech of course).

We're getting a bit OT here though now.

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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.

Sounds like you're the one getting wound up here, tbh. Maybe you need a safe space somewhere where people can't ignore you?

Well, if you want to be needlessly confrontational and read in to my post whatever makes you happy, that's up to you chap. I was just joining in a conversation, I wasn't aware I'd said anything to warrant that sort of a response, but again, up to you.

If you think that was a particularly robust response then etc etc.

Well if you genuienly meant that as something that wasnt needlessly snarky then I apologise, but it did rather seem to be edging into the personal for no reason.

It wasn't *needlessly* snarky, no. It was more making the point that those who rail against "safe spaces" and absolute free speech with no consequences are usually those who justify having them in the first place.

I'm sure that would have been a tremendously clever response if I'd said anything remotely implying anything resembling that but as I hadn't... :shrug:
Needlessly snarky.

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It's a forum open to the public, though.


Only those with internet though. Which seems discriminatory.

I demand equal access to BEEX for all.

And you've got to be able to read!

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It's a forum open to the public, though.

Well yeah, and that's what people mean when they say it usually. A 'public forum' is something very specific and it pertains to the government not being able to stop you saying what you like (as long as it isn't what they define as hate speech of course).
We're getting a bit OT here though now.


It's still a public forum, it's just not a public forum.

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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.

Sounds like you're the one getting wound up here, tbh. Maybe you need a safe space somewhere where people can't ignore you?

Well, if you want to be needlessly confrontational and read in to my post whatever makes you happy, that's up to you chap. I was just joining in a conversation, I wasn't aware I'd said anything to warrant that sort of a response, but again, up to you.

If you think that was a particularly robust response then etc etc.

Well if you genuienly meant that as something that wasnt needlessly snarky then I apologise, but it did rather seem to be edging into the personal for no reason.

It wasn't *needlessly* snarky, no. It was more making the point that those who rail against "safe spaces" and absolute free speech with no consequences are usually those who justify having them in the first place.

I'm sure that would have been a tremendously clever response if I'd said anything remotely implying anything resembling that but as I hadn't... :shrug:
Needlessly snarky.

So you think safe spaces are a good or bad thing then? I'm confused.

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I'm still genuinely amazed that anyone gets sufficiently wound up by anything on here that they need to put anyone on ignore. It's a bit safe spacey snowflake to be honest. The block function you're talking about is a step far too far and it's beyond comprehension that anyone could feel the need to prevent another user here seeing their posts. It could also ruin the forum for people just because someone else has decided they don't like the other person.

Sounds like you're the one getting wound up here, tbh. Maybe you need a safe space somewhere where people can't ignore you?

Well, if you want to be needlessly confrontational and read in to my post whatever makes you happy, that's up to you chap. I was just joining in a conversation, I wasn't aware I'd said anything to warrant that sort of a response, but again, up to you.

If you think that was a particularly robust response then etc etc.

Well if you genuienly meant that as something that wasnt needlessly snarky then I apologise, but it did rather seem to be edging into the personal for no reason.

It wasn't *needlessly* snarky, no. It was more making the point that those who rail against "safe spaces" and absolute free speech with no consequences are usually those who justify having them in the first place.


Of course, no-one is saying that the ignore function (ergo your "safe space") shouldn't exist; they're merely expressing their opinion about it, i.e. mild surprise that some people think it's necessary. Equally, no-one is suggesting absolute free speech on the forum should exist either, so I'm afraid that is a straw man also.

People are taking issue with the latest proposed Block function whereby a user (or group of users) can unilaterally deny access to their content/posts, which is tantamount to black balling and even de facto banning (if enough people target the same individual). You (and others) should note that this is not "railing against safe spaces", nor advocating absolute free speech.

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I wish people would get these massive quote-bloats sorted.

Fuck it I'm going to ignore everybody and have a BEEX all to myself where every thread is about fruit machines and chubby girls with pretty faces who like men who play fruit machines and maintain an internationally renowned YouTube presence.

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In fact don't bother answering. Either call me a cunt or stick me on ignore.

Fair enough. I don't understand why any of that was a proportionate response to anything I said but clearly you're annoyed about something I said so I apologise.

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I wish people would get these massive quote-bloats sorted.

Fuck it I'm going to ignore everybody and have a BEEX all to myself where every thread is about fruit machines and chubby girls with pretty faces who like men who play fruit machines and maintain an internationally renowned YouTube presence.

No you won't, I built something to fix that.

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In fact don't bother answering. Either call me a cunt or stick me on ignore.

Fair enough. I don't understand why any of that was a proportionate response to anything I said but clearly you're annoyed about something I said so I apologise.

If you honestly think I'm annoyed you've read far too much into my post. I apologise for upsetting you.

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People are taking issue with the latest proposed Block function.


Again, I would stress the difference between 'proposed' and 'opinions solicited on'

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In fact don't bother answering. Either call me a cunt or stick me on ignore.

Fair enough. I don't understand why any of that was a proportionate response to anything I said but clearly you're annoyed about something I said so I apologise.

If you honestly think I'm annoyed you've read far too much into my post. I apologise for upsetting you.

You haven't upset me but thank you for apologising. And I've stuck you on ignore you cunt.

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People are taking issue with the latest proposed Block function.


Again, I would stress the difference between 'proposed' and 'opinions solicited on'

To which opinions have been solicitored. Solicitorised? Solicitificated?

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Let me know if Chris replies because I've stuck him on ignore now. The cunt.

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MrChris wrote:
To which opinions have been solicitored. Solicitorised? Solicitificated?

Calling MURDER LAWYER TO THE BAR

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I don't ignore anybody on here, and hopefully no-one ignores me but if they do, *shrug*

I'm with Cavey (shock!) - I don't think the idea of having a function that allows you to hide your content from other people is a good thing (except spoiler tags, lolol) - to my mind the way the ignore function works at the moment seems like the right implementation, even though I've never used it and am therefore in no way qualified to have an opinion on its current functionality.


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I would love it, if it were possible, to put threads on ignore. I think it would work so well with the proposed change in the first post. There are just certain topics that I find really upsetting, and I’d find this far better for me, personally, than putting a person on ignore, but if there was a person that you wanted to ignore and they created loads of good threads that you wanted to see, that’d Be great, but then if there was a time when, actually, it turned out that the thread and poster was perhaps unpleasant then the thread could be muted? I think I asked this before but didn’t hear back if it was possible.

I hope this makes sense, I’m just leaving the house xx

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I'm with everyone else (shock!) - I don't think the idea of having a function that allows you to hide your content from other people is a good thing

FTFY

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Do you still have your blog Gaz? That would do it.

Boom kapow you're burnt etc

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I just hit 50k posts today. You can't ignore qualityquantity content like that.

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Couldn't the problem be dealt with by better moderators, or maybe by creating a splinter forum?

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Couldn't the problem be dealt with by better moderators, or maybe by creating a splinter forum?

We can always make our feelings known at the next mod vote. Must be a year by now?

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What about if we were ALL mods and could all edit or delete posts BUT there was a cooldown timer that we'd have to either wait for, or PAY to speed up (I can't think of a value but a nice round figure at some frequency would probably do it).

Gamifying beex like this would be great, maybe we could livestream it

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Two pounds per month sounds about right.


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Two pounds per month sounds about right.

Wow.

There exists not boots big enough for this.

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