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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:47 
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Humans spot patterns out of nothing.


Interesting theory, when you think of it. Do you think that people who have died, if they were able to manipulate digital files would use such a laborious set up to convey their messages, or would they (for example) more likely use some text-based medium which far more people are likely to use every day?

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At first I just shrugged it off, then one day she punched me in the stomach. That was about two weeks before I threw her out (literally and physically) however, she then claimed (because she still thought I was interested) that she could no longer contact "Monty" but instead was getting to people who were horrible and nasty.

Perhaps you were looking for words in the gibberish, probably not knowingly. Your ex wife had mentioned she could now only reach people who were horrible and nasty, and had very recently done something particularly horrible and nasty herself. Maybe this was your subconscious telling you something rather than people from the other side?

I’ve watched some things on YouTube where people use spirit boxes - seems similar to your ex’s technique. They had a little machine that switched through radio stations 8+ times per second, so in theory if any words came through it must be the spirits manipulating it. It only ever produced one syllable words “Mike”, “go”, “run”, and a lot of the time they were making massive leaps to get to those words basing them around things they already knew about the supposedly haunted places they were visiting.
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Humans spot patterns out of nothing.


Interesting theory, when you think of it. Do you think that people who have died, if they were able to manipulate digital files would use such a laborious set up to convey their messages, or would they (for example) more likely use some text-based medium which far more people are likely to use every day?

It's a bit like mediums. It's somewhat laughable to think that if the dead could communicate, that's what they'd choose to communicate.


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Humans spot patterns out of nothing.


Interesting theory, when you think of it. Do you think that people who have died, if they were able to manipulate digital files would use such a laborious set up to convey their messages, or would they (for example) more likely use some text-based medium which far more people are likely to use every day?

It's a bit like mediums. It's somewhat laughable to think that if the dead could communicate, that's what they'd choose to communicate.


They all sound scouse, too.

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An interesting titbit of information that you may not have considered before: as a survival technique, humans are programmed to see patterns in things where there are none. This is why conspiracy theories are so popular; some people don't want to believe that the world can just be fucking shit for absolutely no reason at all except for the fact that humans are shit, and instead try to link unconnected events together to make some semblance of sense out of them.

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Humans spot patterns out of nothing.


Interesting theory, when you think of it. Do you think that people who have died, if they were able to manipulate digital files would use such a laborious set up to convey their messages, or would they (for example) more likely use some text-based medium which far more people are likely to use every day?

It's a bit like mediums. It's somewhat laughable to think that if the dead could communicate, that's what they'd choose to communicate.


I *guess* in that point someone could argue the case that though they might not be able to cause physical (or digital :P) changes in the world that some hocus pocus meant that they were able to communicate through thought/spirit, which might not be so comparible with digital manipulation.

But yes, that and any fortune telling props that mediums use are silly. Tarot cards would be an odd way for the universe to explain the way it has and will organise itself for you. You could argue that it’s just a framework for a medium to channel his/her sights via, but either the arrangement means something (in which case the universe would have to utilise them as a communication method, rather than just write your fate clearly in an email to you each morning) or it does not, in which case the cards should not be interpreted at all as the medium should channel what is being communicated to them without being influenced by the randomness of the card draw.

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Humans spot patterns out of nothing.


Interesting theory, when you think of it. Do you think that people who have died, if they were able to manipulate digital files would use such a laborious set up to convey their messages, or would they (for example) more likely use some text-based medium which far more people are likely to use every day?

It's a bit like mediums. It's somewhat laughable to think that if the dead could communicate, that's what they'd choose to communicate.


Right?

It'd be:
"OooOooOodeletemybrowserhistoryOooOoOo"

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One need only look at the pioneering work of Scooby Doo to realise this is all bunkum.

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I went to see a medium once with my mom. I don't believe in ghosts or the after life or anything like that but my mom wanted to go so I went with her out of curiosity.

The medium was a woman who used to be a man. I say used to be a man, I'm pretty sure it was just a stocky guy with a deep voice in a dress but there you go. Anyway, she did the usual guff by going around the room and saying stuff like "I can see a man... a man in an apron... Over this side of the room... Does anyone know a man who had an apron who has passed on?"

The whole thing was ridiculous and people were clinging onto the slightest hint that their recently deceased were trying to get in touch. It did absolutely nothing to convince me that there's anything after death.

I believe that we experience the same thing after death as we did before we were born. Absolutely nothing.


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Mediums make me very cross as they cynically prey on people's hope and desperation for money.

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I’ve seen clips of that chap before. He annoys me more than pretty much snyone that’s been in TV, ever. Partly because he’s doing that nonsense to begin with, but more because he’s so BAD at it. It’s a seaside end of pier show type of awful, without the performer/audience distance to take the edge off of the shamefully bad performance.

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Mediums make me very cross as they cynically prey on people's hope and desperation for money.

That's hardly a new racket. Churches have been at it since pretty much forever.


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Mediums make me very cross as they cynically prey on people's hope and desperation for money.

That's hardly a new racket. Churches have been at it since pretty much forever.


I'm disagreeing there. Briefly: I think religion can play a large part of helping to form a feeling of togetherness and community. In (others) death, this helps people be less lonely, and there's people and processes to deal with grief, with the rituals and so on.

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I think both of those positions are true.

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I think both of those positions are true.


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For me, the biggest argument against any of this stuff is that surely anyone that was genuinely able to communicate with the dead would be of huge interest to scientists around the globe. Yet none are.

Similarly, I know that time travel will not be possible in my lifetime because if it were, my current self would tell my future self to travel back to some point in the past and give me a sign.

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You did do, but that's on another timeline now.

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At first I just shrugged it off, then one day she punched me in the stomach. That was about two weeks before I threw her out (literally and physically) however, she then claimed (because she still thought I was interested) that she could no longer contact "Monty" but instead was getting to people who were horrible and nasty.

Perhaps you were looking for words in the gibberish, probably not knowingly. Your ex wife had mentioned she could now only reach people who were horrible and nasty, and had very recently done something particularly horrible and nasty herself. Maybe this was your subconscious telling you something rather than people from the other side?

I’ve watched some things on YouTube where people use spirit boxes - seems similar to your ex’s technique. They had a little machine that switched through radio stations 8+ times per second, so in theory if any words came through it must be the spirits manipulating it. It only ever produced one syllable words “Mike”, “go”, “run”, and a lot of the time they were making massive leaps to get to those words basing them around things they already knew about the supposedly haunted places they were visiting.
I remain sceptical but intrigued.


Yeah we ended up with about ten old radios. Problem is none of them were suitable. There are quite a few ways people do it :)

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For me, the biggest argument against any of this stuff is that surely anyone that was genuinely able to communicate with the dead would be of huge interest to scientists around the globe. Yet none are.

Similarly, I know that time travel will not be possible in my lifetime because if it were, my current self would tell my future self to travel back to some point in the past and give me a sign.


There was an experiment done many years ago where they locked a film roll into a box. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called though. I think all of the scientists who do engage in it keep it quiet. In fact, other than the people asking for Paypal donations I think most still do at fear of being ridiculed. It's still an enormously taboo subject and something that most dimiss out of hand.

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Mediums make me very cross as they cynically prey on people's hope and desperation for money.


ITC has nothing to do with mediums. In fact, if I even so much as mentioned mediums or "ghosts" she used to fly into one.

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The radio is acting as the Medium in your scenario though isn't it?

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Thomas Edison is believed to have attempted to build a 'spirit phone' to talk to the deceased, and presumably to rip off their ideas.


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The radio is acting as the Medium in your scenario though isn't it?

That’s why it’s called medium wave.

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There was an experiment done many years ago where they locked a film roll into a box. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called though. I think all of the scientists who do engage in it keep it quiet. In fact, other than the people asking for Paypal donations I think most still do at fear of being ridiculed. It's still an enormously taboo subject and something that most dimiss out of hand.


It's not taboo at all. It's dismissed out of hand because it's never once been demonstrated publicly to be anything but nonsense.

And if scientists engaging in it keep it quiet then they aren't scientists. Evidence, peer review, and repeatability are what scientists do. Not secretly saying they've done things that can't be reproduced. The very fact that there is no reproducible evidence of the paranormal is pretty strong inherent evidence that it's utter horseshit designed to make money out of the credulous.

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You misspelled cretinous.

Hmm... I don’t know. I don’t think people are stupid to believe these things, but desperate a lot of the time, and that can lead to a certain naivety and willingness to believe in things that might usually be dismissed more readily. Grief is one of the main starting points (along with serious illness) for a belief in the afterlife and a hope of making contact with it.

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The thing that irks me about my death will be not being able to see Cras when he goes to collect The Riches I am leaving him in a lock up garage I am leaving to Riles secured with a padlock left to Kern needing a key left to Malc.

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The thing that irks me about my death will be not being able to see Cras when he goes to collect The Riches I am leaving him in a lock up garage I am leaving to Riles secured with a padlock left to Kern needing a key left to Malc.


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All your brother gets us a padlock to which he has no key?

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Similarly, I know that time travel will not be possible in my lifetime because if it were, my current self would tell my future self to travel back to some point in the past and give me a sign.


There was a Warren Ellis story once about time travel wherein, due to Reasons, no one could travel back earlier than the point the time machine was first invented. This mean that that nanosecond the inventor completed it like every single time traveller that would ever exist suddenly arrived because everyone inevitably wanted to go back to the earliest point they possibly could; and that was it. I can't remember anything else about it, so I might be inventing parts of this or even the entire thing.


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