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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 16:11 
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I liked this season a lot. Except for the Jodie Foster ep which was incredibly predictable.

I’ve seen a lot of criticism of this episode based on it suggesting that using emergency contraception causes/equates to terminating a pregnancy and what a dangerous message that is.


I didn't know this. It was only when I saw some of the kerfuffle about the episode that I looked into it and was like, 'Oh, I see'.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:31 
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Both episodes 4 and 5 were the highlights for me, although I still haven't seen the last one.

Episode 4
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was the feel good/San Junipero of the season. I enjoyed it a lot, and a The Smiths song makers everything better


I don't understand why the low opinions on episode 5
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it was incredibly scary and tense. Pretty much terminator on steroids. The lack of overall setup and explanations make it even more nihilistic. The black and white helped a lot


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:51 
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I feel like I'm missing something about Metalhead (ep 5); it's a standard
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They all obviously understood exactly how lethal and implacable the robots are yet this woman managed to talk two other people into going up against them for the sake of a fucking cuddly toy? And it's not just like they were risking their own lives, they also obviously knew about the tracker tech so they were risking the destruction of the entire community they came from if they'd accidentally led one of them back home. It's just...nonsense.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I’ve now finished S4. I don’t agree it was worse than previous seasons. It was certainly different; it feels like Brooker is deliberately stretching the formula. That’s a good thing in my book. The Toast memorably summarised every Black Mirror episode as “what if phones, but too much?” [1] but that’s becoming less accurate as the show goes on.

[1] which Brooker found so funny he worked it into an episode.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 13:15 
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Bamba wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something about Metalhead (ep 5); it's a standard
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They all obviously understood exactly how lethal and implacable the robots are yet this woman managed to talk two other people into going up against them for the sake of a fucking cuddly toy? And it's not just like they were risking their own lives, they also obviously knew about the tracker tech so they were risking the destruction of the entire community they came from if they'd accidentally led one of them back home. It's just...nonsense.


Yes I pretty much agree with all of this but I saw one review that interpreted the episode as being about hope and optimism, the human spirit and all that stuff, that in the middle of such a grim wasteland, people would still go to so much effort for such a thing.

I didn't get any of that myself, and personally feel it is by far and away the single weakest Black Mirror episode across all the seasons and specials.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I think it's pretty decent. The whole series is about what happens when hunanity's relationship with tech goes too far, and it's clearly done so here. Robotics hasn't really been touched so far so it's an obvious place for the show to go. It makes you think about strides we're making in automation, in remote drones, in AI, and asks whether you could ever write the parameters for a fully independent robot that wouldn't potentially end up in this scenario, where the bots become manhunters.

And then it tries to present the idea of trying to live a normal life, when man is no longer at the top of the food chain.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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It makes you think about strides we're making in automation, in remote drones, in AI, and asks whether you could ever write the parameters for a fully independent robot that wouldn't potentially end up in this scenario, where the bots become manhunters.

And then it tries to present the idea of trying to live a normal life, when man is no longer at the top of the food chain.


All of this is absolutely true, but it accomplished all of that--admittedly quite deftly--in about the first ten minutes and then does pretty much bugger all with the concepts after that. Concepts which are far from original going in. I kept hoping the ongoing chase would somehow bring us to a location that made more of the story but it just never happened. And the black and white presentation just seemed like a wanky affectation which doesn't help it's case. Taken altogether I'm happy calling it the weakest episode of BM to date purely because even the ones that weren't as well executed at least attempted a more interesting premise.

ETA: misspelling 'affectation' as 'affection' is a bit embarrassing!


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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The black and white was gorgeous. It was really superbly lit.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I’ve now finished S4. I don’t agree it was worse than previous seasons. It was certainly different; it feels like Brooker is deliberately stretching the formula. That’s a good thing in my book. The Toast memorably summarised every Black Mirror episode as “what if phones, but too much?” [1] but that’s becoming less accurate as the show goes on.

[1] which Brooker found so funny he worked it into an episode.


I wouldn't say it's weakest season overall; the massive variability between each episode makes comparisons at that level almost pointless I think. That said, after reviewing episodes list prior to typing this up, it certainly feels like there's been no real stand-out "Jesus fucking Christ, that's horrifying" episodes whereas the last season was stuffed full of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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The black and white was gorgeous. It was really superbly lit.


I'm not saying it didn't look nice, just that it doesn't seem to have been done for any real reason; and given that filming in b&w can often just be a lazy shorthand for 'meaningful and considered' it counts against you in my book if you never then do much that's meaningful or considered.


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I don't get why looking nice isn't reason enough. Perhaps they just preferred how it looked without colour.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I didn't buy a colour telly to watch things in B&W. Ponces.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I didn't buy a colour telly to watch things in B&W. Ponces.

You watched it in 720p though. Peasant


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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I don't get why looking nice isn't reason enough. Perhaps they just preferred how it looked without colour.



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I'd suggest it's intended more to be shorthand for bleak and dystopian rather than meaningful.

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I didn't buy a colour telly to watch things in B&W. Ponces.

You watched it in 720p though. Peasant

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 Post subject: Re: Black Mirror
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I'd suggest it's intended more to be shorthand for bleak and dystopian rather than meaningful.


That's no less lazy to my mind. And completely unnecessary; the bleak and dystopian setting and plot are more than enough to suggest bleak and dystopian in and of themselves.


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I find the UK often doesn't have the scenery for it. Bit too green and pleasant land.

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I find the UK often doesn't have the scenery for it. Bit too green and pleasant land.

You've obviously never been to Fleetwood


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Fleetwood is very beautiful. You just need to stand on the beach and look at the Lake District (but ignore the nuclear power station).


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 15:06 
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Fleetwood is very beautiful. You just need to stand on the beach and look at the Lake District (but ignore the nuclear power station).

I tease! In fact, I flew over Fleetwood in Google Earth VR last night. There's some funky shaped buildings down the coastline towards Blackpool


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I think you'all are overthinking Metalhead. It was an incredibly tense and well directed episode. I found the robo-dog much scarier than either the xenomorph or Arnie in T1. Yes, it didn't explore many more complex issues like some other episodes, but that wasn't what the episode was about. Being minimalistic helped a lot, i think.


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markg wrote:
Fleetwood is very beautiful. You just need to stand on the beach and look at the Lake District (but ignore the nuclear power station).


Their Apple Store is top notch too.


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I flew over Fleetwood in Google Earth VR last night.

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