Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I don't think I've ever not signed the opt-out.
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 16:35 ] |
| Post subject: | EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I'm interested as to how much the WTD opt-out is just standard practice for employers. When you started whatever job you have now, did you sign the opt-out to the maximum weekly hours permitted under the WTD? |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 16:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I don't think I've ever not signed the opt-out. |
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| Author: | devilman [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 16:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I opted out at the job I was doing at the time the directive was brought in, but only because I was working long hours at the time (my choice). Since then, I've not really given it much thought as all the jobs I've done since then haven't really had sustained periods of overtime. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 16:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Yeah, all three of my jobs have had the opt-out but also unpaid overtime so I've never really been asked to do any, just a bit of my own back when absolutely necessary. I guess my trips to the US over the last year might have counted technically but also beer so eh. |
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| Author: | myp [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: I don't think I've ever not signed the opt-out.
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I don’t think I’ve ever opted out, and wouldn’t do so unless something has gone badly wrong. At the moment I’m in a very comfortable position where I can earn what’s I need without going near 48 hours. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Pretty sure it was a mandatory part of my contact. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Bobbyaro wrote: Pretty sure it was a mandatory part of my contact. It can’t be, it’s a statutory right. Your employer cannot make it mandatory. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
In my experience it's given to you by default under the expectation that you'll just sign it, but yes it can't be mandatory. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Bobbyaro wrote: Pretty sure it was a mandatory part of my contact. It can’t be, it’s a statutory right. Your employer cannot make it mandatory. Does he mean it’s mandatory to adhere to it, or mandatory to opt out? I’d assumed the former. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I think bobby meant it was mandatory to sign the opt-out. Which certainly shouldn't be the case. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
No, that’d be awful. I bet there’s a lot of pressure in a lot of places that at least makes it feel like a mandatory expectation, and I bet a lot of people are made to feel that they won’t be offered a role if they don’t agree to it. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Mimi wrote: No, that’d be awful. I bet there’s a lot of pressure in a lot of places that at least makes it feel like a mandatory expectation, and I bet a lot of people are made to feel that they won’t be offered a role if they don’t agree to it.
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| Author: | Mimi [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 18:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Mimi wrote: No, that’d be awful. I bet there’s a lot of pressure in a lot of places that at least makes it feel like a mandatory expectation, and I bet a lot of people are made to feel that they won’t be offered a role if they don’t agree to it. It's fairly common. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 19:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I remember it being that you can be required to sign it as part of the contract but then you can write a letter saying "but also fuck that". It's one of those fudges we love so much. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 19:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
So it’s a nonsense? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 20:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Mimi wrote: So it’s a nonsense? Not at all. It's applicability depends a lot on how seriously the employer wishes to take it. I'd suggest that those of us in office roles who've signed the opt-out aren't that likely to get screwed over in quite the same way as eg. Long distance truckers or retail staff might. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Don't know. Never been an issue. |
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| Author: | Pundabaya [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
My place of work actively enforces it. You can't do overtime on both Saturday and Sunday as it would breach the number of hours. My last job had the ' sign here, if you don't we'll rescind your job offer' thing. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
At every job I've ever had the opt out was presented as a "sign this or else", even at law firms who know full well this isn't allowed. |
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| Author: | Joans [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I definitely signed it at my last place, where it was presented as a good thing, but I don't think I had a gun to my head. I don't remember signing it for my current job, but they don't pay for overtime anyway. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I’ll have to ask my mum’s husband. He works as someone who clears areas that have been hit by fly tippers. A bin man, I guess, though I don’t think he actually does buns. Anyway, that line of work. He does standard 8hr days, but yesterday was the only day he had off from November 30th through to December 25th (which he has off and then back on 26th). |
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| Author: | devilman [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Mimi wrote: A bin man, I guess, though I don’t think he actually does buns. I don't think many do. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
I signed it as a contractor. Not as a permie. |
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| Author: | romanista [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 14:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Not sure if I as asked, but never heard of people having to sign an opt out on this in NL... there are lots of things with more and more people becoming semi-selfemployed (from deliveroo, to consultants, to contracting construction) thus not falling under such a directive (according to there clients/employers), and truck drivers to put in more hours and cheating with the tachographs(is that a word?) |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 14:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
That's because only the UK got an opt out, I thought. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 15:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Joans wrote: I don't remember signing it for my current job, but they don't pay for overtime anyway. I don't think that makes a difference. |
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| Author: | Joans [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 15:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Grim... wrote: Joans wrote: I don't remember signing it for my current job, but they don't pay for overtime anyway. I don't think that makes a difference. Well as I haven't seen a copy for about 16 years, I can't remember exactly what I've (not) opted out of. I guess the theory is, if we don't pay for overtime, people are less likely to be working too many hours (although I'm fairly certain some people here must be going over, so I guess they must have opted out - assuming I'm not misunderstanding the whole thing). |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 17:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EU Working Time Directive Opt-Out |
Joans wrote: Grim... wrote: Joans wrote: I don't remember signing it for my current job, but they don't pay for overtime anyway. I don't think that makes a difference. Well as I haven't seen a copy for about 16 years, I can't remember exactly what I've (not) opted out of. I guess the theory is, if we don't pay for overtime, people are less likely to be working too many hours (although I'm fairly certain some people here must be going over, so I guess they must have opted out - assuming I'm not misunderstanding the whole thing). There's definitely people where I work doing more than 50 hours a week and getting not a penny in overtime for it. Idiots. |
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