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Yes, I think there is a need to defend it, as it has been aggressively attacked.

I remember Empire being hated at the time.

I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong.

Oh yeah, I'm sure every single person that didn't like it is like that :roll:

I'm not reading one post by Kovacs

Oh yeah, I'm sure every single person that didn't like it is like that :roll:

I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong.

Grim... wrote:

I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong.

Ghostbusters

Oh, the new Ghostbusters. I thought you meant the old one.

Squirt wrote:

MrChris wrote:

But how did he know there were cloaked ships?

He just offered to hack the mainframe on the ship to steal all their secrets, and found the cloaked ships that way.

Hack the mainframe on the empire ship, how would they know about the cloaked ships?

MrChris wrote:

Squirt wrote:

MrChris wrote:

But how did he know there were cloaked ships?

He just offered to hack the mainframe on the ship to steal all their secrets, and found the cloaked ships that way.

Hack the mainframe on the empire ship, how would they know about the cloaked ships?

Ican;'t remember how, but this seemed logicaly explained at the moment it was made clear that the codebreaker played double play..

Did anyone else notice the books in the drawer of the Falcon at the end?

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

DavPaz wrote:

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI

DBSnappa wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI

It seems they used puppets for the shots where they were deliberately filming the porgs (like in the falcon's cockpit ) but CGI for where they were all over the island.

DavPaz wrote:

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI

DBSnappa wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI

Hello to Jason Isaacs..

KovacsC wrote:

DBSnappa wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Cras wrote:

Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

That's awesome if true

Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI

Hello to Jason Isaacs..

Also also:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

*very Mali voice* it's a light freighter

Author:	myp [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 13:44 ]
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I'm not reading one post by Kovacs

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 13:45 ]
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I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong.

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 13:49 ]
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KovacsC wrote: Yes, I think there is a need to defend it, as it has been aggressively attacked. It's a film. It doesn't have feelings. KovacsC wrote: 'fans' Just fans, not 'fans'. KovacsC wrote: I remember Empire being hated at the time. When you were, what, four?

Author:	myp [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 13:50 ]
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Because the people that don't like it are making hour-long YouTube screeds about how SJWs are ruining their childhood I guess.

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 13:51 ]
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Oh yeah, I'm sure every single person that didn't like it is like that

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Author:	Cras [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 13:59 ]
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Grim... wrote: I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong. Ghostbusters

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:01 ]
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Grim... wrote: I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong. Every single film discussion in Beex’s history has gone like this.

Author:	myp [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:02 ]
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Grim... wrote: Oh yeah, I'm sure every single person that didn't like it is like that I'm sure they aren't, but it doesn't help your cause. Here's a good article about how fans and critics reacted to Empire at the time. https://www.themarysue.com/empire-last- ... reactions/

Author:	KovacsC [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:04 ]
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I think it is bizarre on both sides of people making videos of why they hate/like it.

Author:	KovacsC [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:07 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: I'm not reading one post by Kovacs

Author:	Curiosity [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:22 ]
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Grim... wrote: Oh yeah, I'm sure every single person that didn't like it is like that No, but I don’t think anyone is bothered by people who didn’t like the film in general. It’s more that there has been a ton of stuff saying people didn’t like the film because it’s a betrayal of the principles of Star Wars, and how it thematically is against everything before, and that it should be struck from the canon, just because it doesn’t fit with their idea of what fanfic they wanted to see. In that sense, people will defend it, because obviously the film does fit well with the others. Now if people didn’t like the hyperspace bit or the casino bit or the set up for the ship running out of fuel and so on then fair enough. But pretending that not expanding on the previous lore or altering a direction, or a Jedi going into hiding is a new thing is palpably daft. These are the kind of things that have happened in every single Star Wars film ever. So when the loudest shouts are all nonsense, I’d expect shouting in the other direction too.

Author:	Mimi [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:44 ]
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Grim... wrote: I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong. Sounds like the entirety of the internet to me.

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 14:55 ]
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Cras wrote: Grim... wrote: I'm not sure I can think of many other films where the people that liked it have felt the need to explain to people who didn't like it why they're wrong. Ghostbusters Orly? What don't people like about Ghostbusters?

Author:	MrChris [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 15:04 ]
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The fact it was unfunny tedious shite. That it was chock full of bangable wimmin was its one plus.* Much better than the unfunny white middle aged ugly portly men of the originals. * not being serious.

Author:	romanista [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 22:25 ]
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I uploaded two photos... i know, i just went through a whole exposition remember... btw in that article i linked too, and this one.. https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-last-jedi-k ... 1821429836 always fascinating how people relate to a film..

Author:	DavPaz [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 13:56 ]
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I've finally seen it!

Author:	DavPaz [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 21:55 ]
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Two dialogue things too.... "God speed" and "What the hell" Kinda odd.

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:11 ]
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Porgs: Not cute. Sinister looking screech-birds. Not sure why they bothered, really.

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 15:07 ]
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Oh, the new Ghostbusters. I thought you meant the old one.

Author:	Cras [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 15:09 ]
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Grim... wrote: Oh, the new Ghostbusters. I thought you meant the old one. Yeah, the new one.

Author:	myp [ Sat Dec 30, 2017 15:29 ]
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New Ghostbusters wasn't the greatest film in the world but it was entertaining enough. Not the worst Ghostbusters film, obviously. And nice for women and girls to have science nerd comedy role models for once.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:01 ]
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Well, I’ve finally seen it. It’s too long. It’s not the first film where everything that happens from 30 or so mins in, to 30 or so from the end does little for the narrative arc of the actual film, but it was noticeable.

Author:	romanista [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 19:50 ]
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MrChris wrote: Squirt wrote: MrChris wrote: But how did he know there were cloaked ships? He just offered to hack the mainframe on the ship to steal all their secrets, and found the cloaked ships that way. Hack the mainframe on the empire ship, how would they know about the cloaked ships? Ican;'t remember how, but this seemed logicaly explained at the moment it was made clear that the codebreaker played double play.. mean while, i went with my daughter today (hence i skipped this thread until now... she liked it..and so did i... (expected to be disappointed) meanwhile, the was a star wars exhibition here as well, so we went on the photo with BB7.. the exhibition was a bit overpriced, but we had a good father daughter day... the merchandise was crap though.. and here a long read.. a bit meta on what others think https://longreads.com/2018/01/03/star-wars-last-jedi/

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 20:45 ]
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That one is called R2-D2, not BB7.

Author:	myp [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 22:03 ]
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Isn't it BB8 anyway? Although I'm sure there is a BB7.

Author:	Bamba [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 23:02 ]
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romanista wrote: MrChris wrote: Squirt wrote: MrChris wrote: But how did he know there were cloaked ships? He just offered to hack the mainframe on the ship to steal all their secrets, and found the cloaked ships that way. Hack the mainframe on the empire ship, how would they know about the cloaked ships? Ican;'t remember how, but this seemed logicaly explained at the moment it was made clear that the codebreaker played double play.. The reason you can't remember is because it was never explained.

Author:	DavPaz [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 21:27 ]
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Did anyone else notice the books in the drawer of the Falcon at the end?

Author:	KovacsC [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 21:28 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Did anyone else notice the books in the drawer of the Falcon at the end? Yes...

Author:	Cras [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 21:35 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Did anyone else notice the books in the drawer of the Falcon at the end? It was a pretty deliberate lingering shot

Author:	Cras [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:49 ]
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Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them.

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:54 ]
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Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:59 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI

Author:	Cras [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:35 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true From here https://kotaku.com/the-last-jedis-porgs ... 1821485957

Author:	Cras [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:37 ]
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DBSnappa wrote: DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI It seems they used puppets for the shots where they were deliberately filming the porgs (like in the falcon's cockpit ) but CGI for where they were all over the island.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:59 ]
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Cras wrote: DBSnappa wrote: DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI It seems they used puppets for the shots where they were deliberately filming the porgs (like in the falcon's cockpit ) but CGI for where they were all over the island. That makes sense.

Author:	KovacsC [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 13:28 ]
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DBSnappa wrote: DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI Hello to Jason Isaacs..

Author:	Bamba [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 14:01 ]
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KovacsC wrote: DBSnappa wrote: DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI Hello to Jason Isaacs..

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 14:48 ]
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Bamba wrote: KovacsC wrote: DBSnappa wrote: DavPaz wrote: Cras wrote: Apparently because there are protected puffins all over the island and they weren't allowed to relocate them to film. So they basically just put porgs on top of them. That's awesome if true Well, according to stand-in reviewer on wittertainment (Robbie Collin IIRC) who is a former puppeteer and knows the guy who worked on the last Jedi, they're actually puppets and not CGI Hello to Jason Isaacs.. Wittertainment is the vernacular for Simon Mayo and Mark Kermode's film review show which usually airs every Friday on Radio 5 Live. They've been doing it for donkey's ears so have a lot of in-jokes. Mark Kermode went to school with Jason Isaacs and they're still friends. He gets a shout out pretty much every show and calls in unexpectedly several times a year. The shout out has become a trope/meme and many correspondents to the show put it in their emails, people say it to him in the street and listeners of the show reportedly say it to each other on first meeting. It's got so prevalent that shout outs to Jason Isaacs have happened at the Baftas, The Golden Globes, on the tube by station announcers, on flights by the pilot. You get the idea.