That's really interesting, and there's a lot in there that I'd not considered. I'm not sure the suggested alternate response is a lot better though - surely being directly reached out to by your abuser is the absolute last thing many victims would want?

Also, if you do happen to be innocent then I think a flat-out denial is completely understandable as a response. In fact, reaching out to a victim in private actually looks a little bit like buying silence or similar, perhaps. I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘this is an awful response because of the current climate, and is damaging to all cases’ because his response must critically address his case.

Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... man-244978

Come on, now that we can rank "public apologies for sex arrassement", LCK isn't that bad. After Spacey's "apology" CK's apology looked like The Brothers Karamazov. Yep, i'm still such a fanboy, even though i've been looking for other comedians to listen while i work because it's still too soon to listen to Louie again.

I kept reading waiting for the bit where he resigned from his job in public office, but it never came up.

Try Mike Birbiglia: https://open.spotify.com/album/4dyqwnLapBXxpQN0rFeu0Z

I know

I'm in the future too

Morrissey continued to say victims “know exactly what’s going on” and “play along” until they claim rape afterwards when they feel “embarrassed or disliked.”

I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.

He’s an absolutely fucking awful person.

I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.

Yes. Yes he has.

That guy you link to on Twitter, Paul Empson is typical of the problem, he claims to have seen Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey being inappropriate with small boys at a party for the Superman Film that Spacey starred in.

That was released in 2006 and 11 years later he is on the twitter confessional bandwagon.

He is a bad as the abusers by nature of his silence.

NEW YORK — HBO host John Oliver hammered Dustin Hoffman about allegations of sexual harassment and the actor fired back with a ferocious defense, as a seemingly benign screening became an explosive conversation about Hollywood sexual misconduct on Monday night.

I love John Oliver

I disagree.

Women have been shouted down or intimidated for years and then they get called liars when they do raise anything and they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to gain from raising historical assaults.

If a few Hollywood actors get made uncomfortable because they haven't fully addressed what happened then boo fucking hoo frankly. The balance of probabilities based on those in the limelight that are admitting such behaviour and that people in power tend to abuse that power is that something happened, so Oliver is right to at least pursue the line of questioning with more vigour than has been in evidence previously.

I disagree.

Women have been shouted down or intimidated for years and then they get called liars when they do raise anything and they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to gain from raising historical assaults.

If a few Hollywood actors get made uncomfortable because they haven't fully addressed what happened then boo fucking hoo frankly. The balance of probabilities based on those in the limelight that are admitting such behaviour and that people in power tend to abuse that power is that something happened, so Oliver is right to at least pursue the line of questioning with more vigour than has been in evidence previously.

I disagree.

Women have been shouted down or intimidated for years and then they get called liars when they do raise anything and they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to gain from raising historical assaults.

If a few Hollywood actors get made uncomfortable because they haven't fully addressed what happened then boo fucking hoo frankly. The balance of probabilities based on those in the limelight that are admitting such behaviour and that people in power tend to abuse that power is that something happened, so Oliver is right to at least pursue the line of questioning with more vigour than has been in evidence previously.

It's also likely that the vast majority of assault and harrassments currently being reported will never make it to trial because of the weakness of personal testimony and the age of the incidents. Does that mean we should declare everyone innocent and the women all liars?

"Chat show host things you've harrassed women" and "in jail" are really very different things.

Which is why one has a higher burden of proof than the other.

What Cras said basically.

"Oliver is right to at least pursue the line of questioning with more vigour than has been in evidence previously." is hardly "THEY SHOULD ALL BE LOCKED UP"
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Burden of proof is burden of proof. Not "higher" or "lower". Even if the person in question doesn't do to jail, name and personal reputation is very important, it may in fact be the most important thing.

Burden of proof is a legal definition. We've been over this time and time again. Believing victims has nothing to do with court cases or trials or any other legal definitions, considering most victims never press charges for all the reasons we've stated before.

You can believe victims yet still believe in the rule of law. It isn't hard to understand.

The thing is, why should I believe anyone I don't know? I don't believe or disbelieve hoffman nor i believe or disbelieve the accuser. I do not know any of them personally. That's for the courts to decide.

But things happen that don’t go to court. If you heard that a friend was being a dick on a night out from a few sources, you wouldn’t assume they were being fine because it didn’t go to court.

Sorry to hear about your car man, that sucks.


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