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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 15:04 
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So I am finally getting round to watching Baby Driver, but then without warning A WILD SPACEY APPEARS.

I will try extra hard not to enjoy any of the bits that he's in.

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Weird, I watched Baby Driver tonight as well.


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That one's a real shocker after all the work he's done for gay rights and Japanese Americans. Still, 36 years ago. I wonder how much has changed since then.



I find this one hard to believe. George posted dening it.

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George Takei

That one's a real shocker after all the work he's done for gay rights and Japanese Americans. Still, 36 years ago. I wonder how much has changed since then.



I find this one hard to believe. George posted dening it.

Why do you find it hard to believe?

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That one's a real shocker after all the work he's done for gay rights and Japanese Americans. Still, 36 years ago. I wonder how much has changed since then.



I find this one hard to believe. George posted dening it.

Why do you find it hard to believe?


Possibly because it seems out of character with what we know about him and how he has behaved?


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George Takei

That one's a real shocker after all the work he's done for gay rights and Japanese Americans. Still, 36 years ago. I wonder how much has changed since then.



I find this one hard to believe. George posted dening it.

Why do you find it hard to believe?


Possibly because it seems out of character with what we know about him and how he has behaved?


Yes this.

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Out of character? Like Saville? Rolf? Cosby? Character means fuck all to an actor.


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Him too?!

Truly, this is the time for people to just bin their heroes.

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Out of character? Like Saville? Rolf? Cosby? Character means fuck all to an actor.

Or any kind of abuser really. To be good at it they have to hide in plain sight.

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This is what George put..

Friends,
I'm writing to respond to the accusations made by Scott R. Brunton. I want to assure you all that I am as shocked and bewildered at these claims as you must feel reading them.
The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do. But I do take these claims very seriously, and I wanted to provide my response thoughtfully and not out of the moment.
Right now it is a he said / he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful.
Brad, who is 100 percent beside me on this, as my life partner of more than 30 years and now my husband, stands fully by my side. I cannot tell you how vital it has been to have his unwavering support and love in these difficult times.
Thanks to many of you for all the kind words and trust. It means so much to us.
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I'm writing to respond to the accusations made by Scott R. Brunton. I want to assure you all that I am as shocked and bewildered at these claims as you must feel reading them.
The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do. But I do take these claims very seriously, and I wanted to provide my response thoughtfully and not out of the moment.
Right now it is a he said / he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful.
Brad, who is 100 percent beside me on this, as my life partner of more than 30 years and now my husband, stands fully by my side. I cannot tell you how vital it has been to have his unwavering support and love in these difficult times.
Thanks to many of you for all the kind words and trust. It means so much to us.
Yours in gratitude,
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I can see why you react like this but sometimes I think your way of communicating can be as bad as that of those reacting from the other side. Which I think is what Grim... was alluding to earlier, when you were replying to Ruysan.

People not automatically siding with the victim doesn't make them a bad person or an idiot for thinking any other way - you shouldn't be throwing your hands ds in the air - if you want to help people's attitudes change, you need to explain your point of view. People obviously don't get it, it's clearly not apparent to everyone why victim-blaming is a result of the type of social conditioning that gives abusers power and the ability to abuse unfettered for decades.

Without discussion, there'll never be an understanding and there will never be change. Shutting people down with derision won't help anybodies cause. It's a difficult subject to navigate, otherwise it wouldn't be such a divisive issue in bloody 2017.

When people say "I find that hard to believe" I don't automatically believe that means they are saying the accuser or victim is lying. I think alot of people just find it hard to accept that their personal hero or someone they think highly of, could do the things they're being accused of. It's a reaction, based on someone they think they know. There is a difference between disbelief and accusing someone else of lying.

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Or Jesus has been accused of sexual assault.

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[edit] Oh, we've done that joke, have we? Fuck y'all, than

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I can see why you react like this but sometimes I think your way of communicating can be as bad as that of those reacting from the other side. Which I think is what Grim... was alluding to earlier, when you were replying to Ruysan.

People not automatically siding with the victim doesn't make them a bad person or an idiot for thinking any other way - you shouldn't be throwing your hands ds in the air - if you want to help people's attitudes change, you need to explain your point of view. People obviously don't get it, it's clearly not apparent to everyone why victim-blaming is a result of the type of social conditioning that gives abusers power and the ability to abuse unfettered for decades.

Without discussion, there'll never be an understanding and there will never be change. Shutting people down with derision won't help anybodies cause. It's a difficult subject to navigate, otherwise it wouldn't be such a divisive issue in bloody 2017.

When people say "I find that hard to believe" I don't automatically believe that means they are saying the accuser or victim is lying. I think alot of people just find it hard to accept that their personal hero or someone they think highly of, could do the things they're being accused of. It's a reaction, based on someone they think they know. There is a difference between disbelief and accusing someone else of lying.

My response to RuySan was precise and carefully chosen. The response I got from that showed his hypocrisy when it comes to men "growing balls" or whatever other hyper-masculine comment he made.

Sorry if all my comments aren't as well chosen but sometimes these threads exasperate me. It may well come out that the accuser is lying about Takei. This potentially becomes more likely as time goes on and no one else comes out to accuse him. However people's judgement becomes clouded when it comes to people they like.

Kov's reaction was something I've seen time and time again when it comes to someone they admire. Nothing against him personally, it's just frustrating.

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

Yes absolutely. But I don't automatically believe him because he's a darling of the left and the gay community.

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

Yes absolutely. But I don't automatically believe him because he's a darling of the left and the gay community.


Okay. I quite like cheese sandwiches.

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

Yes absolutely. But I don't automatically believe him because he's a darling of the left and the gay community.


Okay. I quite like cheese sandwiches.

I'm talking about the wider discussion around Takei, not something you've specifically said.

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

Even in the context of the Howard Stern interview? That seems to describe the situation described in the accusation doesn't it?

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

Even in the context of the Howard Stern interview? That seems to describe the situation described in the accusation doesn't it?


Oh, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen, I'm just noting that it's the first flat denial.

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IIRC Takei is the first of the recent batch of accusations where the accused has flat out said "this is not something that happened", isn't it? I find that interesting.

Even in the context of the Howard Stern interview? That seems to describe the situation described in the accusation doesn't it?


Oh, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen, I'm just noting that it's the first flat denial.


Pretty sure alleged child molesting Republican darling Roy Moore has denied things.

But then he would.

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I can see why you react like this but sometimes I think your way of communicating can be as bad as that of those reacting from the other side. Which I think is what Grim... was alluding to earlier, when you were replying to Ruysan.

People not automatically siding with the victim doesn't make them a bad person or an idiot for thinking any other way - you shouldn't be throwing your hands ds in the air - if you want to help people's attitudes change, you need to explain your point of view. People obviously don't get it, it's clearly not apparent to everyone why victim-blaming is a result of the type of social conditioning that gives abusers power and the ability to abuse unfettered for decades.

Without discussion, there'll never be an understanding and there will never be change. Shutting people down with derision won't help anybodies cause. It's a difficult subject to navigate, otherwise it wouldn't be such a divisive issue in bloody 2017.

When people say "I find that hard to believe" I don't automatically believe that means they are saying the accuser or victim is lying. I think alot of people just find it hard to accept that their personal hero or someone they think highly of, could do the things they're being accused of. It's a reaction, based on someone they think they know. There is a difference between disbelief and accusing someone else of lying.

My response to RuySan was precise and carefully chosen. The response I got from that showed his hypocrisy when it comes to men "growing balls" or whatever other hyper-masculine comment he made.

Sorry if all my comments aren't as well chosen but sometimes these threads exasperate me. It may well come out that the accuser is lying about Takei. This potentially becomes more likely as time goes on and no one else comes out to accuse him. However people's judgement becomes clouded when it comes to people they like.

Kov's reaction was something I've seen time and time again when it comes to someone they admire. Nothing against him personally, it's just frustrating.


Not a issue at all Myp.

Just with George been a advocate for consent and other good stuff.. I am surprised and hope it is not true.

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We'll never know if it's true. Unless George fesses up, or a slew of other accusations tip the scales, it'll forever be a he-said she-said


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https://www.themarysue.com/george-takei-denial/


That's really interesting, and there's a lot in there that I'd not considered. I'm not sure the suggested alternate response is a lot better though - surely being directly reached out to by your abuser is the absolute last thing many victims would want?

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That's really interesting, and there's a lot in there that I'd not considered. I'm not sure the suggested alternate response is a lot better though - surely being directly reached out to by your abuser is the absolute last thing many victims would want?


Also, if you do happen to be innocent then I think a flat-out denial is completely understandable as a response. In fact, reaching out to a victim in private actually looks a little bit like buying silence or similar, perhaps. I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘this is an awful response because of the current climate, and is damaging to all cases’ because his response must critically address his case. I’m not saying that as a fan in this one instance. I’ve literally no idea who this guy is (well, I do now as I asked and someone said Star Wars, but I’ve not seen them or him).

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Also, if you do happen to be innocent then I think a flat-out denial is completely understandable as a response. In fact, reaching out to a victim in private actually looks a little bit like buying silence or similar, perhaps. I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘this is an awful response because of the current climate, and is damaging to all cases’ because his response must critically address his case.


Indeed. If you haven't done "it" then you are entitled to flat out deny that anything of the sort happened, and you have precisely zero obligation to do anything else just because of any incidental effect it may have on unrelated cases/people.


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Funny thinking back on Trek, there was those reports of Gene Roddenberry acting quite badly during production.

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Provocative headline, but I broadly agree with what's written here:

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Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

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I kept reading waiting for the bit where he resigned from his job in public office, but it never came up.


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Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... man-244978


Come on, now that we can rank "public apologies for sex arrassement", LCK isn't that bad. After Spacey's "apology" CK's apology looked like The Brothers Karamazov. Yep, i'm still such a fanboy, even though i've been looking for other comedians to listen while i work because it's still too soon to listen to Louie again.


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Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... man-244978


Come on, now that we can rank "public apologies for sex arrassement", LCK isn't that bad. After Spacey's "apology" CK's apology looked like The Brothers Karamazov. Yep, i'm still such a fanboy, even though i've been looking for other comedians to listen while i work because it's still too soon to listen to Louie again.

CK didn't actually apologise at all.

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I kept reading waiting for the bit where he resigned from his job in public office, but it never came up.

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I’ve said it privately and I’ve said it out loud to people’s cake holes: I’m not satisfied that Rolf Harris is a guilty paedo.

Then I’d read this assessment of the Harris case and I’m thinking there’s a miscarriage of justice in here somewhere. I reckon this piece is a fab write-up and deserves sharing widely. Also, it’s a fascinating look at the road to conviction in our courts that many people won’t have first hand experience of. Have a read, will ya.

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I see that Morrissey has helpfully chipped in with his opinion

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Morrissey continued to say victims “know exactly what’s going on” and “play along” until they claim rape afterwards when they feel “embarrassed or disliked.”

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I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.

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Lonewolves wrote:
I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


He’s an absolutely fucking awful person.

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Curiosity wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


He’s an absolutely fucking awful person.

Yes. Yes he is.

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Lonewolves wrote:
I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


Just assume, like in Clint Eastwood's case, that he was abducted by aliens and replaced with an inferior "clone".


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