If someone rolls their eyes and says "Bernard is sooooo woke" and uses air quotes, I might laugh and agree. That is using it ironically.

Did you just feel the need to explain irony to me?

You seemed to be struggling with what I had said.

And then I clarified. What more do you want, blood?

Erm, I'm horrifyingly <air-quotes>"not-woke"</air-quotes> and all that, but what is AAVE?

I believe it's African American Vernacular Expression

Curio once said he was out clubbing ironically. It seemed much the same as unironic clubbing.

"At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true,” C.K. writes. “But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question, it’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”

Wait, I used the word "woke" about twenty times in the last week.

Am I not allowed to do that?

Wait, I used the word "woke" about twenty times in the last week.

Am I not allowed to do that?

Were you talking about what time your alarm went off?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/television/louis-ck-statement.html?smid=tw-share&referer=

Louis CK confirms the accusations are true.

Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Weinstein’s entire body of work has been retroactively contaminated by multiple accounts accusing them of sexually predatory behavior ranging from sexual harassment to rape. These stories change our perception of their art, whether we would like them to or not. This is not just unavoidable, it’s a necessary part of processing art and coming to terms with it.


When disturbing stories about respected artists come from the distant past, we treat them dispassionately, as just one detail among many. Present-tense or near-present-tense revelations hit us differently because we share the same world as the artist, breathe the same air, feed the same economy. We think of them as contemporaries, even as people we know. This kind of revelation changes the relationship between the artist and the art, in a way that places an unasked-for, unfair burden on the audience. This is what’s happening culturewide. And it’s not the fault of people who didn’t report it, or audiences who aren’t sophisticated enough to separate the art from the artist. It’s the fault of the artists for being secret creeps or criminals, and the fault of the system for making it possible for them to act this way for years without being punished.

The allegations against C.K. also constitute a form of betrayal, against an audience that trusts artists to make edgy, even unlikable work, and gives them the benefit of the doubt when they wade into the deepest, darkest parts of their imagination.

A well-crafted, intelligent story about the impact of rape, domestic violence, pederasty, and so forth is already tough to watch. It becomes a horrendous experience once you add the possibility that the writer or director actually did what they’re depicting, and might be getting off on making the audience squirm by representing it while not fessing up to their relationship with it. It’s a power move, rooted in the thrill of subterfuge and shock: an artist’s version of indecent exposure.

This is really good http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/louis-ck-is-done.html

Quite. I mentioned somewhere that many of Spaceys scenes in House of Cards, particularly the physical and/or sexualised ones, no longer feel like they were acted out.

meh, I can still watch Chris Benoit matches.

Yes, very much so. You just have to look at the amount of old matches on Youtube, or the amount of old content on WWE's network.

George Takei

George Takei

Yep. Basically it is time to throw all your heroes in the bin

Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is

Tim Berners-Lee?

Fuck's sake, Myp, I'd almost started to li...tolerate you, then you say something ridiculous like that. Professional Wrestling is both the pinnacle of theatre and an amazing athletic performance. It's literally better than that thing what you like. Y'know the one. *Looks at notes* the only thing written here is "Myp blows goats" so we'll have to go with that. Pro-wrestling is better than you blowing a goat.

Tim Berners-Lee

Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is