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Author:  Satsuma [ Sun Nov 04, 2018 15:01 ]
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Tip-tip-tippity-tip: double tap your holster button to spin your six-shooter into the holster like a fucking boss.
Author:  Pundabaya [ Sun Nov 04, 2018 21:14 ]
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Welp, looks like I'm having a go of this, against my better judgement. A friend has given it to me as a belated birthday/early christmas present.
Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Nov 05, 2018 14:19 ]
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Exclusive footage from RDR2
Author:  Pundabaya [ Mon Nov 05, 2018 15:30 ]
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I played the snowy tutorial bits last night. It's decent enough, but it's already slightly annoying. The fact you have to manually recock single-/lever-action guns winds me right up, especially as you automatically reload them when they're empty. Pick one, game.
Author:  Hearthly [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:57 ]
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It's a game, right? This sets something of a worrying precedent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-46132172

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Author:  markg [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:03 ]
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Meh. If YouTube was my website I'd be telling them to go and get fucked as well.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:09 ]
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It's just pathetic 14 year old edgelords who only get stiffies when their YouTube views go over 100.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:10 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Exclusive footage from RDR2


For a moment I thought that was Jeremy Clarkson.
Author:  Pundabaya [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:58 ]
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I quite enjoy hunting in this. Also I met a big bastard bear that almost killed me, but luckily I had slug ammo for my double barrel. I also met Black Belle, which was entertaining..

I am enjoying this more than I though, but I also see where Jim Fucking Sterling, Son was coming from.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:14 ]
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Has your horse been stolen? Have you had to pick specific animals to get good pelts?

(I stopped watching after that so he may have had some points afterwards)
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:18 ]
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markg wrote:
Meh. If YouTube was my website I'd be telling them to go and get fucked as well.

But would you be okay with videos of the various ways you can (virtually) murder a (virtual) prostitute after she's (virtually) fucked you?
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:23 ]
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In the game you can’t kill hookers or kids. That’s positively progressive for rockstar.
Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:27 ]
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Grim... wrote:
markg wrote:
Meh. If YouTube was my website I'd be telling them to go and get fucked as well.

But would you be okay with videos of the various ways you can (virtually) murder a (virtual) prostitute after she's (virtually) fucked you?


In Red Dead 2 or GTA3 on PlayStation 2 back in 2001?
Author:  Cras [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:29 ]
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GTA V in 2018.
Author:  Hearthly [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:29 ]
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Satsuma wrote:

In Red Dead 2 or GTA3 on PlayStation 2 back in 2001?


EDIT - cras is QUICKER.

You could do it in GTA5.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:32 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Has your horse been stolen? Have you had to pick specific animals to get good pelts?

(I stopped watching after that so he may have had some points afterwards)

Once, but I shot the guy who pulled me off it and got it back. I think this was scripted.

Properly tying your horse down says it stops your horse being taken.

Yes, that's part of hunting, finding the correct animal... It's not like it's mechanically hard to do so. Can't really see what the complaint is.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:41 ]
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Grim... wrote:
markg wrote:
Meh. If YouTube was my website I'd be telling them to go and get fucked as well.

But would you be okay with videos of the various ways you can (virtually) murder a (virtual) prostitute after she's (virtually) fucked you?


Mr Dave wrote:
I shot the guy who pulled me off

Look how computer games are influencing Mr Dave's life choices!
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:41 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Properly tying your horse down says it stops your horse being taken.

I read that too, but I don't think it actually happens.

Quote:
Yes, that's part of hunting, finding the correct animal... It's not like it's mechanically hard to do so. Can't really see what the complaint is.

Really? I thought it was to do with how you killed them. I don't even know how to check before they're dead and I've not had a problem.
Author:  Cras [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:42 ]
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When you do R1 to inspect, they have a star rating. 3* will get you a perfect pelt, if you also use the right weapon.
Author:  markg [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:44 ]
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Grim... wrote:
markg wrote:
Meh. If YouTube was my website I'd be telling them to go and get fucked as well.

But would you be okay with videos of the various ways you can (virtually) murder a (virtual) prostitute after she's (virtually) fucked you?

Probably not, although I'd probably be pretty inconsistent about it all, a lot would depend on context etc.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:55 ]
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Cras wrote:
When you do R1 to inspect, they have a star rating. 3* will get you a perfect pelt, if you also use the right weapon.

Legendary is always perfect pelt with any weapon however. Which was another fundamental inaccuracy in that review.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:04 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
Properly tying your horse down says it stops your horse being taken.

I read that too, but I don't think it actually happens.

Quote:
Yes, that's part of hunting, finding the correct animal... It's not like it's mechanically hard to do so. Can't really see what the complaint is.

Really? I thought it was to do with how you killed them. I don't even know how to check before they're dead and I've not had a problem.

Yeah, it's nevrr happened to me, but I have heard of one perso finishing a quest and one of the actors getting on their horse and riding off.

As f9r hunting, oncE you've studied a type of animal, looking at their tracks in eagle eye will tell you the quality of the animal even if all you've seen are tracks. Also, binoculars will tell you, or just studying it.
Author:  Hearthly [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 15:32 ]
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And they're back!

Killing Suffragettes is an age restricted activity.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018 ... e-warnings
Author:  Cras [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 15:42 ]
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Maybe, dubiousness of the content aside, this guy shouldn't be allowed to post videos?

Quote:
Shirrako's channel is now back online, although the video now has an age warning attached. All of Shirako's other videos - including "Annoying Feminist Fed To Pigs", "Dropping Feminist To Hell & Killing The Devil" and "Annoying Feminist Fed To Alligator" - have similarly been reinstated with age warnings.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 19:01 ]
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Devil's advocate: clickbait titles.
Author:  Cras [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 19:05 ]
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Well true
Author:  Satsuma [ Fri Nov 09, 2018 0:33 ]
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Red Dead 2 even made it to South Park apparently.

https://streamable.com/pb287
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 18:23 ]
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It’s a funny old game this is.

For a start, Arthur is so facking clunky to operate. It doesn’t feel as much that I’m controlling him; I’m just pushing him around the screen.

There’s a certain amount of jank as well. I’m giving this black woman a kindly lift into town when I hit “something” in the road then sent us flying. She took this to be a deliberate action on my behalf and wouldn’t get back on the horse. I followed her for a bit but she just kept complaining I was a mad man. Then a cougar jumped out the bushes and mauled her to death. Meh.

Then I come across an escaped prisoner. I pressed the left trigger to talk to him but because I was holding a gun (albeit to the side) I accidentally pointed my gun at him. It was only for a split second but it clearly upset him as I couldn’t calm him down for a conversation after that.

So I thought fuck it, I’ll hog tie him and take him to the sheriff. Now this prisoner is decked out in full prison gear: black and white stripes, a hat, chains, the lot. So I shove him on the back of the horse and proceed to town. As I pass some rando he bolts off as WITNESS’ed crime pops up “Hostage taker”. I imagine I’ll explain it all to the sheriff if he turns up. Nope, he sends the cops to fuck me up when quite clearly I’m escorting an escaped convict.

Janky as fuck.
Author:  Cras [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 19:18 ]
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Yeah, 'talk to' and 'point gun at' being the same button isn't the greatest design choice.

No clue what you're on about with moving around though. It's slick as fuck.
Author:  Pundabaya [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 19:40 ]
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Other annoying things: the way Arthur keeps putting the fucking longarms back on the horse when you have the temerity to ride it for more than thirty fucking seconds. I'm sick of having to go back to the stupid horse because I've forgotten to re-equip the fucking bow. Or end up taking on a bunch of O'Driscolls with a revolver instead of the pump-action murder machine.

Some of the random events I have no idea how to meaningly interact with as a "good" Arthur. Like the prison wagon...

Whether disguises work or not seems arcane.

Relatedly, thanks game for giving me two mandatory bounties pretty early on. The first one I even made sure to disguise myself (completely) and was 10 times the biggest bounty I had got in regular play.

Controls scheme seems muddled. LT is aim except when it's RT, and I've... negligently discharged more often than I would want to, once into the butcher at Valentine... (I let him beat me to death). I mean it's realistic, in those days the safeties that existed were horribly unreliable, but...
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 19:47 ]
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Are you enjoying it?
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 20:05 ]
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Cras wrote:
No clue what you're on about with moving around though. It's slick as fuck.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No.
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 20:06 ]
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Oh, unless you mean it’s like sliding around. Then yes.
Author:  Cras [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 20:07 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Cras wrote:
No clue what you're on about with moving around though. It's slick as fuck.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No.


Did you play GTA V? If you're not used to the GTA controls maybe it's a bit weird? If not, then I got nothing.
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 21:53 ]
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I played it. Was that “slick as fuck”? Of course it wasn’t. It was just about serviceable, like RDR2.
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 21:56 ]
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Oh look, RDR2 has high input lag... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vg24 ... trols/amp/
Author:  Cras [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 22:00 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
I played it. Was that “slick as fuck”? Of course it wasn’t. It was just about serviceable, like RDR2.


Sure, but that's what I'm saying. I'm very used to the GTA controls and was (for obvious reasons) expecting them here. So it controls exactly as I would expect it to, which is great.
Author:  markg [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 22:22 ]
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Yeah it's fine, the way he moves is not ultra responsive but I'm not sure they could do that without making it look fucking stupid in third person.
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 22:49 ]
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Huh? Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, Metal Gear Solid 5, Spider-Man, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Destiny 2, DayZ, PUBG, Fortnight and a ton of third person games do just fine with far more responsive controls with no noticeable detriment to the animations.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 22:49 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Oh look, RDR2 has high input lag... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vg24 ... trols/amp/

11 ms isn’t high lag. It’s less than one frame. GTA IV had 125 ms, that was high lag.
Author:  markg [ Tue Nov 13, 2018 23:02 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Huh? Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, Metal Gear Solid 5, Spider-Man, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Destiny 2, DayZ, PUBG, Fortnight and a ton of third person games do just fine with far more responsive controls with no noticeable detriment to the animations.

:shrug:
No, some of those have the character twitching about impossibility fast but because of the game it doesn't matter. But I can't say I've found it noticeably different to Uncharted. I found it was the same in that game, when there's stuff around you get used to giving a command and waiting to see what's going to actually happen.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:03 ]
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Really good review of the game here, I watched the whole thing last night, I very much like this guy.

Overall he's massively positive about the game but he does have harsh words for the controls and combat.

Direct link to the control moan section - https://youtu.be/_JRikiQyzLA?t=2456

And the whole review:
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:06 ]
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Mate, I don’t think anyone is watching these hour long videos you post of identikit gamers talking into mics in their bedrooms.
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:27 ]
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To be fair, I watched to see what he said about the controls and it’s only 3 minutes long (the youtubers voice and speed isn’t too bad either. It’s not annoyingly ponderous like some ‘tubers “reviews”). He’s right about the control, shooting and snapping to cover too although it’s not particularly in depth.

TLDW: controlling Arthur is clunky, shooting is clunky and you’ll be relying on shooting from cover and auto aiming directly to a target with no skill and Arthur doesn’t “snap” to cover, if he decides to take cover at all.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:31 ]
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I've never known an attempt to go into cover not to work, it seems close to perfect. I agree on the auto-aim, though it targets centre mass, so if your opponent is behind cover you have to manually aim or you're just shooting at whatever they're ducked behind.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:33 ]
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These people have perhaps not put eleventy billion hours into stealing titans on GTAV.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:34 ]
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I think that's likely
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:35 ]
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Wait - does this freak occurance mean we can tell these people to "git gud"?

I've not been able to do that before.
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:50 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Wait - does this freak occurance mean we can tell these people to "git gud"?

I've not been able to do that before.


Not unless you can make the controls more responsive by gitting gud.

And Cras saying the cover system is perfect is just nonsense. I’ve got hours on RDR2 and I’ve had loads of times when I’ve pressed the R-bumper and nothings happened. Usually during a gunfight when I need to take cover. I’ve played enough games (both great and shit) to recognise when something is wrong and there’s something wrong here and it’s not isolated either; it’s gathering more complaints since the game has been public’s hands. I’m enjoying RDR2 but it’s inspite of the niggles I’m having with the controls. The controls are certainly not “slick as fuck” “great” or “perfect” and no one outside this forum appears to be pretending that’s the case.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:53 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Not unless you can make the controls more responsive by gitting gud.

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
Oh look, RDR2 has high input lag... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vg24 ... trols/amp/

11 ms isn’t high lag. It’s less than one frame. GTA IV had 125 ms, that was high lag.
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