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Curiosity wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Cavey wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Cavey wrote:

But to be serious, do people actually think 'Britishness' is defined by leering tabloid gutter press headlines, football and fucking Wetherspoons? We're better than that.

Some people like football and Wetherspoons. It doesn't make them bad people.
I'm struggling a bit more with newspapers, but I'm sure there are some good reasons for reading them.

Who said it made them bad people?

Russ, Curio, you. That's kind of the impression that's given out when you add words like "leering gutter" and "fucking" to a list of things some people enjoy.

I said fuck The Sun and football hooligans. I stand by this and will die on this hill.

Dare we not scoff at the notion that 'Britishness' is better than tabloids, football or chavvy pubs? Bollocks to that, sorry. If this makes me a snob, so be it.

The band called Beatles was popular and some alteration to social laws occured during which period?
* 1980s
* 1960s
* 1970s
* 1950s

I'm very much in two minds about our local 'spoons. Cheap beer, HUGE range and cheap ( but pretty ordinary food ). However, they do seem to be constantly, chronically understaffed, which is partly why they can be so cheap, I guess.

Cavey wrote:

chavvy pubs

It would appear you can't help yourself.

The rest of you know exactly what you were saying, but if you want to backpedal and pretend it was something else, so be it.

A Polish friend is currently going through the citizenship process. I've promised her that when it's finished and she takes the oath, I'll give her a copy of that day's 'Sun', a cheap football shirt, and a St George's Flag, then take her to the dodgy fake-Wetherspoons on New Road.

That is about as far from British values as I can imagine.

These are things which seem specifically Englishly jingoistic.

Perhaps this lack of pride is part of our problem as a nation; I don't see the French, Italians or Germans having such a downer about themselves.

The idiot who praises
In enthusiastic tones
Every century but this,
And every country but his own

Cavey wrote:

chavvy pubs

It would appear you can't help yourself.

The rest of you know exactly what you were saying, but if you want to backpedal and pretend it was something else, so be it.

Cavey wrote:

Perhaps this lack of pride is part of our problem as a nation; I don't see the French, Italians or Germans having such a downer about themselves.

That's the one after queueing.

There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged.

Like football.

MrChris wrote:

There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged.

Like football.

Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Cavey wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged.

Like football.

Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about.

Quote:

The band called Beatles was popular and some alteration to social laws occured during which period?
* 1980s
* 1960s
* 1970s
* 1950s

That's an appallingly written question.

markg wrote:

Cavey wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged.

Like football.

Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about.

But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will.

Just to make it clear, I am totally a snob, but also love Wetherspoons and football.

I am totally a snob.

MrChris wrote:

markg wrote:

Cavey wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged.

Like football.

Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about.

But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will.

Indeed; it's called 'discernment' whereby simplistic, tiresome, black-and white, tar-everyone-with-the-same-brush grievance bullshit need not apply. Hence, I believe, your use of the specific term "some things" which appears to have been missed.

Cavey wrote:

MrChris wrote:

markg wrote:

Cavey wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged.

Like football.

Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about.

But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will.

No, discernment is just taking the time to appraise things until you find what you prefer just for your own satisfaction. Snobbery is when you judge other people. I tend to find people who are snobbish about things actually know relatively little about them, their opinions tend to be parroted rather than gleaned from experience and spouted mostly due to their own insecurities. People who are real experts tend to be enthusiastic about their passions and seek to help and inform rather than chastise others.

Don't get me wrong, everyone does it here and there but I just can't agree that, broadly speaking, it's a positive thing.

I can never remember which way to pass the port.

the Dutch do think everything about our own country is crap which is nonsense

Who became one of the most popular monarchs of the 16th Century?

- Elizabeth I
- Mary I
- Henry VIII
- Henry VII

I tend to find people who are snobbish about things actually know relatively little about them, their opinions tend to be parroted rather than gleaned from experience and spouted mostly due to their own insecurities.

People who are real experts tend to be enthusiastic about their passions and seek to help and inform rather than chastise others.

Don't get me wrong, everyone does it here

and there but I just can't agree that, broadly speaking, it's a positive thing.

Where did the engineers come from in the middle ages?
- Germany
- France
- Italy
- Holland

MaliA wrote:

And pickled eggs.

what what what what what what what

I just had 5 with my salad. And some gherkins and pickled chillies. Well, I say salad, more "pile of stuff that had been living in vinegar".

MrChris wrote:

MaliA wrote:

And pickled eggs.

what what what what what what what

I just had 5 with my salad. And some gherkins and pickled chillies. Well, I say salad, more "pile of stuff that had been living in vinegar".

Pickled everything is great. Especially picklebacks.

Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Glad I brought this popcorn, tbh.

Quote:

Where did the engineers come from in the middle ages?
- Germany
- France
- Italy
- Holland

Germany, apparently. All the engineers.

Fuck The Sun in particular.

It annoys me when people think i am a snob because I have never told anyone I think Curio's beneath me.

MaliA wrote:

It annoys me when people think i am a snob because I have never told anyone I think Curio's beneath me.

It's taken as read, sir.

I know very little about chips on a beach but know it is wrong. And pickled eggs.

markg wrote:

You need to hang out with more intelligent, better people then.

21\24 one of my questions was what date is Xmas Eve!!?

Author:	myp [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:43 ]
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Cavey wrote: Curiosity wrote: Grim... wrote: Cavey wrote: Grim... wrote: Cavey wrote: But to be serious, do people actually think 'Britishness' is defined by leering tabloid gutter press headlines, football and fucking Wetherspoons? We're better than that. Some people like football and Wetherspoons. It doesn't make them bad people. I'm struggling a bit more with newspapers, but I'm sure there are some good reasons for reading them. Who said it made them bad people? Russ, Curio, you. That's kind of the impression that's given out when you add words like "leering gutter" and "fucking" to a list of things some people enjoy. I said fuck The Sun and football hooligans. I stand by this and will die on this hill. Dare we not scoff at the notion that 'Britishness' is better than tabloids, football or chavvy pubs? Bollocks to that, sorry. If this makes me a snob, so be it. Curio isn't being a snob. The Sun is just awful for lots of reasons - not because poor people read it. Same with football. Football is good and the majority of fans are fine - hooligans are not because violence

Author:	Squirt [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:46 ]
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I'm very much in two minds about our local 'spoons. Cheap beer, HUGE range and cheap ( but pretty ordinary food ). However, they do seem to be constantly, chronically understaffed, which is partly why they can be so cheap, I guess.

Author:	Grim... [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:46 ]
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Cavey wrote: chavvy pubs It would appear you can't help yourself. The rest of you know exactly what you were saying, but if you want to backpedal and pretend it was something else, so be it.

Author:	Squirt [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:48 ]
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Quote: The band called Beatles was popular and some alteration to social laws occured during which period? * 1980s * 1960s * 1970s * 1950s That's an appallingly written question.

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:48 ]
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Squirt wrote: I'm very much in two minds about our local 'spoons. Cheap beer, HUGE range and cheap ( but pretty ordinary food ). However, they do seem to be constantly, chronically understaffed, which is partly why they can be so cheap, I guess. And the lamb burgers got smaller. RUINED

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Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:49 ]
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The UK has its fair share of faults and wrongs (eg the legacy of slavery and colonialism; still large divisions between rich and poor; pacers), but we've got a lot going for us. I witnessed an excellent example of British values and what we have got right in this country when I was in Brighton on Saturday. In no other country would you see a couple of drag queens laughing and joking with a pair of armed policemen.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:50 ]
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Squirt wrote: I'm very much in two minds about our local 'spoons. Cheap beer, HUGE range and cheap ( but pretty ordinary food ). However, they do seem to be constantly, chronically understaffed, which is partly why they can be so cheap, I guess. Wetherspoons breakfasts are one of the best hangover cures yet devised.

Author:	Mr Russell [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:51 ]
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Grim... wrote: Cavey wrote: chavvy pubs It would appear you can't help yourself. The rest of you know exactly what you were saying, but if you want to backpedal and pretend it was something else, so be it. Kern wrote: A Polish friend is currently going through the citizenship process. I've promised her that when it's finished and she takes the oath, I'll give her a copy of that day's 'Sun', a cheap football shirt, and a St George's Flag, then take her to the dodgy fake-Wetherspoons on New Road. Mr Russell wrote: That is about as far from British values as I can imagine. Mr Russell wrote: These are things which seem specifically Englishly jingoistic. No backpedalling here.

Author:	BikNorton [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:53 ]
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Cavey wrote: Perhaps this lack of pride is part of our problem as a nation; I don't see the French, Italians or Germans having such a downer about themselves. That's the one after queueing.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:59 ]
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In 'The Mikado', one of the entries on the little list is: Quote: The idiot who praises In enthusiastic tones Every century but this, And every country but his own

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:00 ]
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Grim... wrote: Cavey wrote: chavvy pubs It would appear you can't help yourself. The rest of you know exactly what you were saying, but if you want to backpedal and pretend it was something else, so be it. Who's pulled your chain? I'm not back pedalling in the least. To be completely clear: I personally cannot stand the tabloid press, your average football supporting mob and/or Wetherspoons pubs in specific regard to what someone may consider 'Britishness'. You disagree and/or think I'm being a snob and/or think I should feel bad about this? Could not give a damn, sorry. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. That clear enough for you? Good-o.

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:01 ]
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BikNorton wrote: Cavey wrote: Perhaps this lack of pride is part of our problem as a nation; I don't see the French, Italians or Germans having such a downer about themselves. That's the one after queueing.

Author:	MrChris [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:10 ]
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There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football.

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:11 ]
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MrChris wrote: There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football. Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective.

Author:	markg [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:12 ]
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I honestly couldn't give a fuck about "British values". If we're having to screen people coming into the country then if we could just check that they aren't a selfish fucking prick who has no regard for others then that would do for me.

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:16 ]
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But Mark, we want rich people.

Author:	markg [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:16 ]
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Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football. Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective. Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about.

Author:	MrChris [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:24 ]
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markg wrote: Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football. Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective. Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about. But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:26 ]
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Squirt wrote: Quote: The band called Beatles was popular and some alteration to social laws occured during which period? * 1980s * 1960s * 1970s * 1950s That's an appallingly written question. They're just taking the piss with this one:

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:27 ]
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Just to make it clear, I am totally a snob, but also love Wetherspoons and football.

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:29 ]
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MrChris wrote: markg wrote: Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football. Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective. Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about. But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will. Indeed; it's called 'discernment' whereby simplistic, tiresome, black-and white, tar-everyone-with-the-same-brush grievance bullshit need not apply. Hence, I believe, your use of the specific term "some things" which appears to have been missed.

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:31 ]
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Curiosity wrote: Just to make it clear, I am totally a snob, but also love Wetherspoons and football. How very dare you have your own mind you backpedaling snob, Curio. You just can't help yourself can you?

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:32 ]
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Curiosity wrote: I am totally a snob. I'm not a snob. I like Wetherspoons too. Ah, if you can walk with kings but not lose the common touch. Sometimes I even listen to Classic FM.

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:43 ]
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It annoys me when people think i am a snob because I have never told anyone I think Curio's beneath me.

Author:	markg [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:46 ]
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Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: markg wrote: Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football. Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective. Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about. But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will. Indeed; it's called 'discernment' whereby simplistic, tiresome, black-and white, tar-everyone-with-the-same-brush grievance bullshit need not apply. Hence, I believe, your use of the specific term "some things" which appears to have been missed. No, discernment is just taking the time to appraise things until you find what you prefer just for your own satisfaction. Snobbery is when you judge other people. I tend to find people who are snobbish about things actually know relatively little about them, their opinions tend to be parroted rather than gleaned from experience and spouted mostly due to their own insecurities. People who are real experts tend to be enthusiastic about their passions and seek to help and inform rather than chastise others. Don't get me wrong, everyone does it here and there but I just can't agree that, broadly speaking, it's a positive thing.

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:50 ]
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markg wrote: Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: markg wrote: Cavey wrote: MrChris wrote: There's also not actually anything wrong with being a snob, per se. Some things are just objectively rubbish and not to be encouraged. Like football. Could not agree more, mate, it's one of the key drivers to make us better and to strive for better, as individuals and as a collective. Sometimes perhaps but mostly it's completely arbitrary and just leads people to place value on things that are actually every bit as shit and pathetic as the things they're being snobbish about. But that's something I'm very happy to be snobby about as well. Snobbery snobbery if you will. Indeed; it's called 'discernment' whereby simplistic, tiresome, black-and white, tar-everyone-with-the-same-brush grievance bullshit need not apply. Hence, I believe, your use of the specific term "some things" which appears to have been missed. No, discernment is just taking the time to appraise things until you find what you prefer just for your own satisfaction. Snobbery is when you judge other people. I tend to find people who are snobbish about things actually know relatively little about them, their opinions tend to be parroted rather than gleaned from experience and spouted mostly due to their own insecurities. People who are real experts tend to be enthusiastic about their passions and seek to help and inform rather than chastise others. Don't get me wrong, everyone does it here and there but I just can't agree that, broadly speaking, it's a positive thing. I know very little about chips on a beach but know it is wrong. And pickled eggs.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:55 ]
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I can never remember which way to pass the port.

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:58 ]
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Kern wrote: I can never remember which way to pass the port. "Port is always left at sea, but never left at dinner".

Author:	miki [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 13:59 ]
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19/24 yay the Dutch do think everything about our own country is crap which is nonsense I do like Weatherspoons and Sizzling Pub and and Tesco's

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 14:00 ]
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miki wrote: the Dutch do think everything about our own country is crap which is nonsense Hey, you invaded us that time.

Author:	miki [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 14:02 ]
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must be genetic then

Author:	Kern [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 14:04 ]
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Quote: Who became one of the most popular monarchs of the 16th Century? - Elizabeth I - Mary I - Henry VIII - Henry VII Popular now? Popular then? Popular to start with, but spoiled it all? Most points on 'Rex Factor'?

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 14:07 ]
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markg wrote: I tend to find people who are snobbish about things actually know relatively little about them, their opinions tend to be parroted rather than gleaned from experience and spouted mostly due to their own insecurities. You need to hang out with more intelligent, better people then. Quote: People who are real experts tend to be enthusiastic about their passions and seek to help and inform rather than chastise others. Well yes, agreed, but entirely moot and irrelevant: no-one is chastising anyone in this thread, merely expressing AN OPINION that the gutter press, football and Wetherspoons pubs sure have nothing to do with 'Britishness'. Quote: Don't get me wrong, everyone does it here Why yes, yes they do, very much so (including in the inverse). It's just that some of us are more honest about it than others, including to ourselves. Quote: and there but I just can't agree that, broadly speaking, it's a positive thing. It can be, sometimes, in some circumstances (but not in others). This is all people have said/argued? Again, you'll note the absence of sweeping generalisations, here, presumably to fit some narrative or other.

Author:	MrChris [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 14:08 ]
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MaliA wrote: And pickled eggs. what what what what what what what I just had 5 with my salad. And some gherkins and pickled chillies. Well, I say salad, more "pile of stuff that had been living in vinegar".