General Election 2017

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Well, shit. It happened. May absolutely shot herself in the foot.

Blimey

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:20

DavPaz wrote:

Well, shit. It happened. May absolutely shot herself in the foot.

Blimey

I'm smirking. Amazed, but smirking.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I wonder if May will resign.

This was about as good an outcome as we could have hoped for.

Imagine how well Labour would have done if large numbers of their MPs hadn't tried to sabotage Corbyn from the start.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:26

Kern wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Prick Davies may have lost to the WEP in Bradford!

Don't tell Mali!

Not to be, sadly. WEP polled 1k votes. I hope she stays around.

Pragmatically, I'd trade that for the current overally position.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

Gooooood morning. What did I miss?

This is the first time since my teens that I can remember sleeping through election night. Woke up a couple of times but didn't check phone so feeling very good!

Locally our constituency increased its Labour majority by 10%

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

I went to bed about half past midnight, hoping against hope that the exit polls were calling it correctly.

Just got up in the last half hour, nice cup of Yorkshire Tea on the go.

Holy shit.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

So, so happy. I lived in Brighton in 2010, and now in Canterbury. The latter swinging to Labour is a huge and joyful result. And may be an example of a further a May miscalculation/incompetence, if enough students registered round here to make a difference. Labour only took it by 187 votes.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:01

Other than the Tories, hearing that Alex Salmond lost is pretty satisfying.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:16

Tory and DUP, do we think?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Also it's a bank holiday here today (Senior TT Race Day) so I get to watch Tories looking sad on telly all day, which is far better than my original prediction that I'd have to watch them be smarmy fuckers all day.

One of our WhatsApp groups had a little sweepstake on the results and none of us called a hung parliament, it was just a case of how big or small the Tory majority would be.

I think this might herald the start of a genuine new Labour movement in the UK, crucially, with the engagement of young people.

EDIT - Just took Mrs H a cup of tea as I could hear movement upstairs, she asked what happened, I told her the Conservatives had lost their majority and she a did a proper fist in the air with a cheer

Hearthly Jnr asked who the Conservatives are and I replied 'They're the ones we don't like'.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Grim... wrote:

Tory and DUP, do we think?

Andrew Marr is very much talking in that direction on BBC News at the moment.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:52

May learnt about the Gazchap Straight last night, it seems.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:57

MaliA wrote:

May learnt about the Gazchap Straight last night, it seems.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:29

I'm savouring the moment. It's brilliant.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

Kern wrote:

I think the Lib Dems were placing their bets on the Oxford West part of the constituency. Things are very different in Abingdon.

Abingdon result : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40211291

Quote:

The Liberal Democrats have overturned a Conservative majority of almost 10,000 votes to win Oxford West and Abingdon.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:33

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Labour are a shambles of a party who have proven time and again they can't control things financially; Corbyn is blinded by idealism and has only the dregs of a party at his disposal. I wouldn't trust them to run a school fete, never mind the country and I still voted for them over the Tories!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

So how long before that ridiculous slobbering cunt Johnson takes over the Tory leadership then?

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:24

My local MP (and the one I voted for) got in by 22 votes. There were 3 recounts during the evening and at one point, they put him just 3 votes ahead!

So there you go. Your vote DOES make a difference!

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

markg wrote:

So how long before that ridiculous slobbering cunt Johnson takes over the Tory leadership then?

I think that'd be fantastic, he could properly sink the Tories IMO, a thoroughly nasty piece of work and any sort of election campaign would reveal him for what he is, same as happened with May.

Corbyn is in the ascendancy now and he'll have his party behind him (as should have been the case all along, but anyway....), he thrives on campaigning and I really fancy his chances against Johnson, who resorts to bluster and bullying when put under any sort of genuine pressure.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

TheVision wrote:

My local MP (and the one I voted for) got in by 22 votes. There were 3 recounts during the evening and at one point, they put him just 3 votes ahead!

So there you go. Your vote DOES make a difference!

No, *your* vote made a difference. My MP won by 8,300 votes

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:34

TheVision wrote:

My local MP (and the one I voted for) got in by 22 votes. There were 3 recounts during the evening and at one point, they put him just 3 votes ahead!

So there you go. Your vote DOES make a difference!

Similar things in Newcastle-under-Lyme, where Labour won by 30 votes after a recount amid reports of people being turned away

Incidentally, from that first link -

Quote:

“Why is she wearing a red dress? And that belt does nothing for her figure," uttered a Conservative supporter when Theresa May appeared.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:37

My Labour MP took 71.5% of the vote.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Was there a seat in Scotland won by 2 votes...

Aye, here it is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/cons ... /S14000049

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:50

It looks like the 2nd recount in my neck of the woods had it down to 2 votes. That's mine and MrsVisions vote that is!

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:51

Gah. Well I didn't see that coming...

... I still think we're looking at a Tory Government (propped up via a formal coalition with the DUP), but, my word, what a dreadful political cock up. Pundits keep saying that May was wrong to have called an early election, but she clearly *wouldn't* have been wrong had she run anything other than an utterly disastrous, stuttering, needlessly alienating and incredibly arrogant campaign. "We're getting rid of winter fuel payments", wow, great vote-winner, there. Who the fuck makes these decisions? All Labour needed to do was to promise free unicorns to every student and public sector worker in the land; most people knew/know it's complete, unaffordable pie-in-the-sky (and their number of seats won therefore dozens lower than the minimum needed to achieve any sort of parliamentary majority/mandate as a result), but still enough to result in a disastrous hung parliament. The EU must indeed think Christmas has come early.

The only consolation is the Tories' fantastic revival in Scotland and the SNP's even worse night than the Tories - Indyref2 is dead.

How about Ruth Davidson for PM? Had she been, there's no way the most elementary mistakes would've been made during this campaign, and she has more confidence, charm and charisma than May, in spades.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Hearthly wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Tory and DUP, do we think?

Andrew Marr is very much talking in that direction on BBC News at the moment.

May will try that first, would give her 327 seats so just enough, also sure she could keep the DUP quite in any government with horse trading and magically finding funds for their issues.

Polls have been predicting a hung parliament for a week, the problem is you can't trust them anymore, but right this time!

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:54

Corbyn shouldn't be allowed to become PM based solely on this high five attempt. It's like the opposite of Grim... and Curio's at last year's cottage.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

At least he stopped short of her tit. That would have been a disaster

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:56

That's the clip they'll use to introduce him to Mr Trump.

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:01

I've just remembered Grim... and Crasters high five from the cottage and I think my ear popped.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:04

TheVision wrote:

I've just remembered Grim... and Crasters high five from the cottage and I think my ear popped.

Curio.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:05

Hearthly wrote:

markg wrote:

So how long before that ridiculous slobbering cunt Johnson takes over the Tory leadership then?

I think that'd be fantastic, he could properly sink the Tories IMO, a thoroughly nasty piece of work and any sort of election campaign would reveal him for what he is, same as happened with May.

In the same way Corbyn was supposed to sink Labour?

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:05

Lonewolves wrote:

TheVision wrote:

I've just remembered Grim... and Crasters high five from the cottage and I think my ear popped.

Curio.

You're right, my mistake. The shockwaves must have played with my memory.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:07

Cavey wrote:

most people knew/know it's complete, unaffordable pie-in-the-sky

Wasn't it scrutinised by all sorts of financial experts who confirmed that it was, in fact, completely affordable and legit?

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

Kern wrote:

That's the clip they'll use to introduce him to Mr Trump.

What's the deal with Trump's weird handshaking shit anyway? I would so love for some politician, as soon as he got his arm back, to just say "what the fuck's all this about?" whilst miming his stupid arm pulling thing, ideally adding "you strange cunt" afterwards.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:11

I think he once read a book on power postures and decided that exaggerating such behaviour would make him look even more dominant.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Just seen on BBC that May is going to see the Queen at 12.30 to ask permission to form a government so guess the DUP are on board

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:15

GazChap wrote:

Cavey wrote:

most people knew/know it's complete, unaffordable pie-in-the-sky

Wasn't it scrutinised by all sorts of financial experts who confirmed that it was, in fact, completely affordable and legit?

Heh. Depends which "financial experts" Corbyn spoke to, I guess.

But look, as I said, whilst I am extremely angry and bitter about all of this, I don't want this to unduly come across as sour grapes. No doubt about it, Corbyn vastly exceeded mine, and just about everyone else's pre-election expectations, and the fact that the precise converse is true for May does not in any way diminish his own achievements in this respect. I could say that he 'bought' the vote of students with promises of free tuition, and inflationary wage increases to the public sector - but how is this different to Cameron 'buying' the grey vote with triple-lock pensions protection and suchlike?

I recoil in horror at the massive planned business taxes increases proposed by Corbyn, but, I think, the Tories have done *just* enough to remain in power. We'll have to see about that, though.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

I don't think Labour could form a government anyway. If there's a proper coalition with a majority on the table, why would a minority government even be considered?

The arrogance of May to think she's a legitimate leader of this country right now though is galling.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Mr Dave wrote:

In the same way Corbyn was supposed to sink Labour?

Some of us were saying all along he could be a very good thing for the Labour party and politics in general.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Obviously the absolute worst thing to come out of politics over the last while is the loss of my ability to be smugly annoyed at the rest of the country for voting Tory. Seriously, what the fuck huge chunks of Scotland?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

The really promising thing for me is the way Corbyn's Labour Party has energised young voters, who unlike the selfish old people who keep voting Conservative, won't be dying any time soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... cial-media

Quote:

I have friends who registered to vote for the first time, so that they could vote for Corbyn, because they saw the potential there to elect someone who seemed – despite his vintage – to be doing politics differently. He may be a white-haired jam-maker, but they saw something in him that was lacking in other candidates. I suspect that the right wing of the Labour party underestimated the appeal of an old-fashioned socialist to a generation who felt that their predecessors, who benefited so much from the generosity of the welfare state, were breaking the social contract. Having witnessed those who reaped the rewards of a free education hike tuition fees to ridiculous levels (a formative political experience for many my age), the appeal of someone who actually believes in intergenerational fairness was unparalleled. Not to mention the appeal of a politician likely to keep their promises.

Brexit will also have had an effect. The baby boomer and grandparent vote is what won it, and the analysis did not shy away from that. Young people were furious – suddenly politics was being talked about in terms of generational divides. Those of us under 30 were asking how it could be fair that a chunk of the population who might not be around much longer should be able to dictate the future state of the country in this way. People were upset with their parents and grandparents for what they perceived as craven selfishness. We grew up with an open, pro-European outlook, and felt that our elders were limiting our options while thinking only of themselves. Anger is a great motivator, and I think Theresa May underestimated how long it can simmer for when she called a snap general election less than a year after the referendum vote.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Bamba wrote:

Obviously the absolute worst thing to come out of politics over the last while is the loss of my ability to be smugly annoyed at the rest of the country for voting Tory. Seriously, what the fuck huge chunks of Scotland?

Welcome to the "WTF?" party. Other member include: The North East, The North West and Parts of Yorkshire.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:26

Hearthly wrote:

Mr Dave wrote:

In the same way Corbyn was supposed to sink Labour?

Some of us were saying all along he could be a very good thing for the Labour party and politics in general.

I was very pro-Corbyn when he became leader of the Labour party but went off him very badly at his lack of enthusiasm for staying in the EU and his poor handling of pretty basic issues. However he ran an excellent campaign with a well thought out manifesto and I definitely warmed back up to him.

Out of all the major party leaders his position must be seen as the most safe now, which is incredible really.

Bamba wrote:

Obviously the absolute worst thing to come out of politics over the last while is the loss of my ability to be smugly annoyed at the rest of the country for voting Tory. Seriously, what the fuck huge chunks of Scotland?

Yes mate, we did our bit and then you and Wales fuck it up.

I think it's because nationalism in Scotland is on the wane. Very few have the appetite for yet ANOTHER vote and Ruth Davidson seems like a very proficient politician - better than Dugdale anyway.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:28

DavPaz wrote:

Welcome to the "WTF?" party.

You get my vote.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Lonewolves wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

Welcome to the "WTF?" party.

You get my vote.

Good. My manifesto is just a load of giphy links
Giphy "manifesto":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/fDij6uO25JBCg/giphy-loop.mp4

Giphy "wtf":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/LyJ6KPlrFdKnK/giphy-loop.mp4

Giphy "tory":
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oKIPCPLZgWFqUkuru/giphy-loop.mp4

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:32

DavPaz wrote:

Good. My manifesto is just a load of giphy links

Engaging the youth vote, there.

Giphy "engage the youth vote":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/N9vDquxicJVrW/giphy-loop.mp4

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:32

Bamba wrote:

Obviously the absolute worst thing to come out of politics over the last while is the loss of my ability to be smugly annoyed at the rest of the country for voting Tory. Seriously, what the fuck huge chunks of Scotland?

It is indeed ironic, is it not, that once again and just like the election before last, the SNP comes to the rescue of the Tories. Were it not for Nicola Sturgeon's own very premature Indyref2 posturing (ignoring the distinct lack of appetite for yet another key referendum so soon, among many quarters - very bad and naive, ideology-driven politics), we most certainly would not be looking at so much of Scotland turning blue. Can you imagine where the Tories would be if they were a further 11 or 12 seats down? It's easily the difference between forming a majority government with the DUP, and being completely fucked.

So despite everything I've already conceded, it's still a case of "phew", even now, from a Tory perspective.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:34

But isn't it the case that Scottish Labour has joined the choir eternal and the two-party system in Scotland is now SNP v Tory? If you'd have voted Labour in the past, and can look beyond independence, I reckon you're more likely to go SNP than Labour so you can keep the Tories out.

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