General Election 2017

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:25

markg wrote:

Anyway any weighted voting system could never be accepted as fair. It would need constant revision and this would be most heavily influenced by the government of the day so it would make the current gerrymandering that goes on look like the pinnacle of democracy.

I'm interested with the concept of representation. What, or who, do we want represented in Parliament? Territory? Political opinions? Demographics? Some mix of the above? Answer that question and we can design a system around it. Our current system tends towards representing territory first ('Harriet Jones, MP for Flyindales North') followed by opinion. A single UK-wide PR slab would go for political opinion first. Agree what we're trying to achieve first, before designing the machine.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:26

Cavey wrote:

Kern wrote:

Cavey wrote:

If someone like, say, the charismatic David Miliband were leading a moderate, Centrist, pseudo-aspirational Labour Party, instead of Cor-bin, he would've walked this.

Meanwhile, in an alternative universe...

Do you not reckon, Kern? :shrug:

I'm looking for the wormhole right now! As I've said above, Mrs May crumbles when faced with opposing views, and a decent leader would have made mincemeat of her across the despatch box.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:28

Kern wrote:

Jem wrote:

At 16 we are responsible enough to have sex and make babies but not vote? It just seems odd. :shrug:

I know what I wanted to do at that age.

At 16, I'd have just voted the way my parents wanted me to as I wouldn't have had a clue about politics back then. At least now there's the internet and social media, so teenagers have more information available to them if they want it. I'd have been too busy playing on my Spectrums.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6515

Cavey wrote:

Kern wrote:

Cavey wrote:

If someone like, say, the charismatic David Miliband were leading a moderate, Centrist, pseudo-aspirational Labour Party, instead of Cor-bin, he would've walked this.

Meanwhile, in an alternative universe...

Do you not reckon, Kern? :shrug:

I'm assuming he's talking about the Milliverse, an alternative world where British politics is a quiet, calm, polite affair where the hottest issue is our policy on Finnish Moomin memorabilia imports.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

Cavey wrote:

Kern wrote:

Cavey wrote:

If someone like, say, the charismatic David Miliband were leading a moderate, Centrist, pseudo-aspirational Labour Party, instead of Cor-bin, he would've walked this.

Meanwhile, in an alternative universe...

Do you not reckon, Kern? :shrug:

I think it's impossible to say because it's all cause and effect with one party reacting to the other. For a start there would likely not even be an election but even if there was then without the low polling of Labour the Tories might not have gone full fucking Tory and so would likely have launched a different looking manifesto.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:30

Heh. I actually part agree with you, Kern. May's turned out to be hopeless; it's just that Corbyn's Labour is ten times worse.

Albeit, in purely campaigning terms, though, I will concede Corbyn's Left is vastly the more seductive, especially to young people (and, quite frankly, with some justification).

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:31

Squirt wrote:

Cavey wrote:

Kern wrote:

Cavey wrote:

If someone like, say, the charismatic David Miliband were leading a moderate, Centrist, pseudo-aspirational Labour Party, instead of Cor-bin, he would've walked this.

Meanwhile, in an alternative universe...

Do you not reckon, Kern? :shrug:

I'm assuming he's talking about the Milliverse, an alternative world where British politics is a quiet, calm, polite affair where the hottest issue is our policy on Finnish Moomin memorabilia imports.

Heh! I don't do Twitter but that looks excellent.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Kern wrote:

I'm looking for the wormhole right now! As I've said above, Mrs May crumbles when faced with opposing views, and a decent leader would have made mincemeat of her across the despatch box.

In all fairness Corbyn got a lot better at PMQs and put in some decent performances, where with the benefit of hindsight May's limitations were already making themselves very much apparent.

But of course this didn't fit the preferred narrative so it tended not to get reported on. (I'm counting The Guardian in this too, BTW, who were (mostly) shamefully hostile towards Corbyn until far too late in the day.)

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:35

Jem wrote:

At 16 we are responsible enough to have sex and make babies

No such luck; my (distant) memories of being 16 largely involved smoking illicit fags (ooh!) with my mates whilst playing "Yahtzee" for kicks. Rock 'n Roll, baby.... :'(

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:03

Curiosity wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Put my money where my mouth is.

Those are terrible odds. Online the WEP are 100/1 to win ANY seat.

I almost texted you to say "stick a fiver on for me" but betfred is by the cashpoint, so I went in there.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Yep, you can shag, procreate, marry, and go to war at 16. But you have to be 18 to watch porn, watch films that have more than a few utterances of the word 'fuck' or vote. There's no sense to it at all.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:07

You can only marry with your parents permission at 16 / 17 unless you're in Scotland, I thought?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

You are apparently correct

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:09

Hence eloping to Gretna Green.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:54

Cavey wrote:

I could be wrong, but I still reckon Tory majority of ~50+ or thereabouts. When push comes to shove, people just aren't going to be voting for Corbyn, Abbott & co. (IMO)

It could've been ~100+ were it not for May's car-crash election campaign, which will surely go down as one of the all-time worst and may yet bite her (and the rest of us) well and truly on the bum-cheeks. If someone like, say, the charismatic David Miliband were leading a moderate, Centrist, pseudo-aspirational Labour Party, instead of Cor-bin, he would've walked this. Thank heavens I was out of the country for most of it.

I concur.

EDIT - Apart from the out of the country bit!

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:57

Awesome.

Well, the guessing's about to be over, here comes reality....................

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 13:12

Cavey wrote:

Awesome.

Well, the guessing's about to be over, here comes reality....................

Oh there goes gravity

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 13:12

Curiosity wrote:

Cavey wrote:

I could be wrong, but I still reckon Tory majority of ~50+ or thereabouts. When push comes to shove, people just aren't going to be voting for Corbyn, Abbott & co. (IMO)

It could've been ~100+ were it not for May's car-crash election campaign, which will surely go down as one of the all-time worst and may yet bite her (and the rest of us) well and truly on the bum-cheeks. If someone like, say, the charismatic David Miliband were leading a moderate, Centrist, pseudo-aspirational Labour Party, instead of Cor-bin, he would've walked this. Thank heavens I was out of the country for most of it.

I concur.

EDIT - Apart from the out of the country bit!

Ich, auch.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 13:17

I think I need to be 16 in order to understand Mali's coded posts.

/reverses cap to "cool dude backwards position" and awaits enlightenment

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Cavey wrote:

I think I need to be 16 in order to understand Mali's coded posts.

Nah, you need to be Mali to understand most of Mali's posts.

Jem · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 13:36

Bamba wrote:

Cavey wrote:

I think I need to be 16 in order to understand Mali's coded posts.

Nah, you need to be Mali to understand most of Mali's posts.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 13:42

It's Eminem's Lose Yourself.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 13:43

Mali is awesome...... he's Malicool

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

MaliA wrote:

It's Eminem's Lose Yourself.

I got that one, "Ich, auch." not so much though.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:11

Bamba wrote:

MaliA wrote:

It's Eminem's Lose Yourself.

I got that one, "Ich, auch." not so much though.

Me, too. I am in agreement with curio and cavesterooni

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Do they not teach German in schools these days?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:20

Not by default, I don't think.

IIRC, the syllabus calls for one foreign language.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Grim... wrote:

Not by default, I don't think.

IIRC, the syllabus calls for one foreign language.

Huh - we had to start both German and French (and Latin) and then choose one or more for GCSE.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:25

MrChris wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Not by default, I don't think.

IIRC, the syllabus calls for one foreign language.

Huh - we had to start both German and French (and Latin) and then choose one or more for GCSE.

We did either German or French, then could do both. Latin was a lunchtime class.

Jem · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:32

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:36

Jem wrote:

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

Yeah it hadn't quite died out when they were at school.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:37

Neither had the Lexovisaurus.

Jem · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:44

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I think most of us are around about the same age, at least temporally speaking, if not mentally.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Jem wrote:

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

I was such a nerd I did a year of Latin evening classes when I had to drop it so I could do both French and German GCSE.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 14:59

MrChris wrote:

I think most of us are around about the same age, at least temporally speaking, if not mentally.

Ahem.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5157

Jem wrote:

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

I'm only XXXXIII

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 15:13

XLIII surely.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 15:21

MrChris wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Not by default, I don't think.

IIRC, the syllabus calls for one foreign language.

Huh - we had to start both German and French (and Latin) and then choose one or more for GCSE.

I think we started with French and Latin and then German came a bit later.. I can't remember if you could actually take Latin as a GCSE or whether we all just dropped it at the first opportunity.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Jem wrote:

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

I'm only XXXXIII

I can squeeze into a medium these days

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

Jem wrote:

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

My brothers are 22 and did Latin at school.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6515

I've actually been looking at learning old English recently, for an even more useless language than latin. Bera sceal on hæðe, eald and egesfull!

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4300

Cras wrote:

Jem wrote:

Latin? Fuck me you guys are old.

I was such a nerd I did a year of Latin evening classes when I had to drop it so I could do both French and German GCSE.

That's brilliant. And very, very nerdy.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 15:25

I got a D for GCSE Latin. I don't talk about it. Fuck you, Quintus.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

Kern wrote:

I got a D for GCSE Latin. I don't talk about it. Fuck you, Quintus.

Grumio knew where it was at.*

*The Culinarium.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

Squirt wrote:

I've actually been looking at learning old English recently, for an even more useless language than latin. Bera sceal on hæðe, eald and egesfull!

Bear something on the heath(?) old and something. We did a bit of this at school and once you start picking up the alphabet morphing it starts to become understandable for the most part, but you need to almost get yourself into the rhythm and mindset. Is it Beowulf?

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6515

Mimi wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I've actually been looking at learning old English recently, for an even more useless language than latin. Bera sceal on hæðe, eald and egesfull!

Bear something on the heath(?) old and something. We did a bit of this at school and once you start picking up the alphabet morphing it starts to become understandable for the most part, but you need to almost get yourself into the rhythm and mindset. Is it Beowulf?

It's from Maxims - The bear must be on the heath, old and terrible! It's close enough to modern english that you can sort of work it out by staring at it, almost. My brain doesn't get all the inflexion stuff though.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2017 15:35

Squirt wrote:

I've actually been looking at learning old English recently, for an even more useless language than latin. Bera sceal on hæðe, eald and egesfull!

For her German degree, Mummy A studied old icelandic.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

MaliA wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I've actually been looking at learning old English recently, for an even more useless language than latin. Bera sceal on hæðe, eald and egesfull!

For her German degree, Mummy A studied old icelandic.

Did she fail her German degree then as she was studying the wrong language?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

MrChris wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I've actually been looking at learning old English recently, for an even more useless language than latin. Bera sceal on hæðe, eald and egesfull!

For her German degree, Mummy A studied old icelandic.

Did she fail her German degree then as she was studying the wrong language?

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