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 Post subject: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:15 
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I am looking at getting this. Has any one got one, and how much does it save?

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:23 
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I've got one. It didn't save me anything as I had to pay money for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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I meant off your bills.. etc

not the cost of the device!

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:29 
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I have Nest, which is similar but better looking.

I have no idea how much I saved. I just wanted the shiny.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:31 
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I wan the shiny, just trying to justify the saving :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Get Nest then, it's shinier.

I fitted it myself, it's pretty easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:35 
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Grim... wrote:
I have Nest, which is similar but better looking.

I have no idea how much I saved. I just wanted the shiny.

HTH, HAND


I'm having Hive fitted Friday, was in PC World yesterday looking for a laptop for my Dad. Got all excited looking a really cool heating control, round with a great interface etc. Then noticed it was the new Nest one :)


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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KovacsC wrote:
I meant off your bills.. etc

not the cost of the device!

Probably nothing. Switching providers saved me money

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:45 
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 14:51 
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


There is probably some electronics and valves and stuff like that involved too, plus a plastic case and a dial at least.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


There is probably some electronics and valves and stuff like that involved too, plus a plastic case and a dial at least.


With Hive there is some sort of wireless box that lets you control it on phones etc

I already have a wireless thermostat on my boiler so paid for an install as not 100% how all that would work


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?

Two wires from the Nest hub to the boiler to switch the demand signal on or off; two wires from the wall to the Nest hub to power it. That's for using it for heating control only (typically with a combi boiler). If you also have stored hot water, you'll have to have another timer in the circuit to control that; the Nest only does heating.

More: http://support-assets.nest.com/images/t ... ide-UK.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Edit: Written before the Doc replied.

Well yes, electricality dooberries and so forth, but the actual connection to the boiler is just a straightforward switch on and off arrangement.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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DavPaz wrote:
Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


Yeah. Not sure why mine was bridged


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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British gas are now doing it for £9 a month over 2 years.. Tempted so I can get it fitted.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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It's probably just power in, power out and send to boiler. I'd wait for expert advice, but Joans is having his birthday.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 15:23 
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Do you actually use the remote timer do-dab, or is it just shiny-shiny that sits on the same set program you had before?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 15:34 
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Do newer ones have that feature where Mr Putin can adjust your heating for you, which is kind of him although the three hour time difference can be irritating?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Squirt wrote:
Do you actually use the remote timer do-dab, or is it just shiny-shiny that sits on the same set program you had before?

That's not what the point is. The point is more sophisticated programs eg. the ability to run the heating to a lower level overnight and during the day during very cold spells.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 16:00 
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Ahh, that makes more sense. Clever timer AND thermostat controls gives you loads more flexibility. Now, when they have clever *room* thermostats we'll really be in business.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 16:02 
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Actually, looking at the Nest website you probably can do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Multiple Nests will co-operate if you have a zoned heating system, which (I believe) is now required in new homes. Although that's 2-3 zones, not one per room. One per room would require... intensive... plumbing, as the Nest can only switch the boiler circuit and not the radiator.

There are smart radiator valves, but I don't know how good or well-supported they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 16:17 
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https://www.tado.com/gb/

If you have radiators and want to be able to control each one independently, then the Tado system supports that. Not cheap though, I think it's about £40 per radiator.
Plus, UK heating systems with radiators are usually built on the assumption that the radiators will be in the system, turning them on and off a lot might cause issues. Especially if you shut it down to only having one turned on, that will cause the boiler pump to trip on and off a lot as the pressure build up will be too great, and could cause more wear resulting in an earlier failure.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
the Nest only does heating

3rd gen has been out for a while, and deals with your water too.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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This will all be so much easier when they work out pipeless radiators.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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It's probably just power in, power out and send to boiler. I'd wait for expert advice, but Joans is having his birthday.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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KovacsC wrote:
British gas are now doing it for £9 a month over 2 years.. Tempted so I can get it fitted.


I think you have to take the Home Care out for 2 years to qualify for this. If you bail on the Home Care during that time there is a slide scale of payback for the Hive.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Isn't this all just an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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KovacsC wrote:
British gas are now doing it for £9 a month over 2 years.. Tempted so I can get it fitted.


I think you have to take the Home Care out for 2 years to qualify for this. If you bail on the Home Care during that time there is a slide scale of payback for the Hive.


I have home care

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Isn't this all just an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

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