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It's slightly unexpected that the cause of beex's final descent into internecine warfare is my inclusion of celery in dinner.

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Celery is disgusting in all forms.


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It's slightly unexpected that the cause of beex's final descent into internecine warfare is my inclusion of celery in dinner.

Is it, though?


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Celery, in pretty much any form, is a good way to ruin a food.


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 Post subject: Re: Food & cooking
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Gah. You haven't tried a buttermilk dressing Waldorf salad with a Pimms, in the garden with friends, on a perfect, warm, late May afternoon, lovely crunchy celery and all? Then you haven't lived. Everything in its place etc. :)

Put it this way, it sure as hell beats the crap out of oven chips and microwave rice pouches in front of the TV (or indeed faux McMuffins for that matter), that's for sure. :D :attitude:

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Gah. You haven't tried a buttermilk dressing Waldorf salad with a Pimms, in the garden with friends, on a perfect, warm, late May afternoon, lovely crunchy celery and all? Then you haven't lived. Everything in its place etc. :)

Put it this way, it sure as hell beats the crap out of oven chips and microwave rice pouches in front of the TV (or indeed faux McMuffins for that matter), that's for sure. :D :attitude:

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 Post subject: Re: Food & cooking
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Gah. You haven't tried a buttermilk dressing Waldorf salad with a Pimms, in the garden with friends, on a perfect, warm, late May afternoon, lovely crunchy celery and all? Then you haven't lived. Everything in its place etc. :)

Put it this way, it sure as hell beats the crap out of oven chips and microwave rice pouches in front of the TV (or indeed faux McMuffins for that matter), that's for sure. :D :attitude:


Cavey, that you have lovely food and take pride and pleasure in this, I don't think anybody doubts, but you are perhaps starting to come across as a bit obsessive in your knocking of other people's choices. This isn't necessarily odd in itself, apart from the fact that you have already had a knock at another forumite for obsessing (though I could see but two mentions at that point from him, perhaps a greater number from yourself) about your chillies and their origin.

You posted to deride Hearthly's meal, which I doubt he went to the trouble to put together just for the sake of offending your sensibilities. Yes, he mocked you a little, but your mentioning of his class and 'Farmfoods' seemed to be judgemental and, worse, looking to cause either hurt or a backlash. But nobody rose to that, just carried on with their discussion.

And that's where it all falls down. You wouldn't let go that nobody would raise to it, so you restate your derision of microwave rice and oven chips, or whatever. Then someone engages (Myp) and you find your opposition. You start with a 'yawn' because you are so bored of the argument that you've been pushing for already, to show how, though you are striving for it, it is beneath you and not worth your time. Then, as you finally have your opposition, you feel justified to unleash calling people's dinners and breakfasts 'shit' and saying you wouldn't feed that 'shit' to your dogs, to prove that those people's choices are not just beneath you, but beneath the diet of your pets, all the while under some belief that people are obsessing about your chillies. By and large you don't have a problem with people living off McDonalds and microwave chips... but in this instance you DO have enough of a problem to say that their food is so shit you wouldn't give it to your dogs. Why only take this view on this occasion?

Here, four pages on, after the conversation has moved on you are so spoiling for a reason to go over again you have to try and bring everything back around to oven chips and breakfast muffins. Why? You seem to wind yourself up more than anyone else. Some days it seems like you just enjoy being angry as it gives a false justification for writing nasty things.

If you are a nice guy in real life you can be just as nice here. The internet doesn't have to be full of anger and nastiness.

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 Post subject: Re: Food & cooking
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Cavey wrote:
Gah. You haven't tried a buttermilk dressing Waldorf salad with a Pimms, in the garden with friends, on a perfect, warm, late May afternoon, lovely crunchy celery and all? Then you haven't lived. Everything in its place etc. :)

Put it this way, it sure as hell beats the crap out of oven chips and microwave rice pouches in front of the TV (or indeed faux McMuffins for that matter), that's for sure. :D :attitude:

Wow, way to yuck other people's yums.

Not yummy.

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Gah. You haven't tried a buttermilk dressing Waldorf salad with a Pimms, in the garden with friends, on a perfect, warm, late May afternoon, lovely crunchy celery and all? Then you haven't lived. Everything in its place etc. :)

Put it this way, it sure as hell beats the crap out of oven chips and microwave rice pouches in front of the TV (or indeed faux McMuffins for that matter), that's for sure. :D :attitude:

Wow, way to yuck other people's yums.

Not yummy.


You're kind of doing the same. I know you are being funny and it's gentle mockery rather than malicious, but I think Russell was trying to make a positive change, and constantly mocking his turn of phrase (which came from DocG's lovely lady) or intentions (I'm not even sure which) undermines that a bit.

It's like the constant mentions of 70/95k porsches that are shorthand mockery of someone's public declaration of wealth/jealousy (I skimmed it a few weeks back but cars aren't really an interest of mine unless they are pink or mint green, so wasn't quite sure what was going on).

There just seems to be so much personal digging, trolling, mockery and sometimes nastiness from a handful of people now that all the interesting stuff is being drowned out, and as soon as the conversation moves on it has to be brought back to one of the established things that must be driven into the ground. Again.

Sometimes it's just light mockery that outstays its welcome, but other times it does seem malicious.

Anyway, I miss the excellent people here, but there's just so much noise these last few months that I can't stand to read all the unkind stuff to get to the good stuff. I came by to see what Mr D had been creating, so that was nice at least.

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Next he'll be slagging off everyones Porscheon sizes.

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 Post subject: Re: Food & cooking
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I am sorry if I've ever come across as malicious - that is certainly not the intention. Driving jokes into the ground is sort of my schtick.

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Well to be fair, FWIW, I can barely post anything at all, ever, without someone leaping in with some shite or other, but that's fair enough I'm a big boy etc. - I just give it right back, in spades. As for Hearthly, he and I have known each other for 15-odd years and have had some right old jousts; I seriously, seriously doubt he's remotely bothered by this micro-storm in a thimble but if he is, I'm sure he'll let me know himself.

The issue, for me at least, is that people are leaping in making wide, sweeping statements about what is, and is not shit, with all sorts of "well, I've got my Asda crisps" type posts in what's supposed to be a food and cooking thread. For me, the analogy is me repeatedly going into the PC thread saying "all custom PCs are total shit, my 5-year old laptop is all you need", or perhaps "all console games are utter shit" in the PS4 thread, or "I don't do any exercise at all and am fucking loving it" in the middle aged spread thread. No-one is saying I CAN'T do this/I don't have freedom of speech, but equally, I'm sure it would be considered unhelpful at best and annoying spamming at worst, no doubt attracting criticism of some sort or other.

As for the money card, the irony for me is that, as I've said, Kashmiri chillies and other similarly directly sourced spices cost mere pence - much cheaper, in fact, than shop-bought, if bought in reasonable quantities. I wouldn't mind if I'd come on here and said "eat caviar or you're a pleb" or somesuch, but I very much haven't; Waldorf salad is far from expensive to make either - far, far less per portion than a McMuffin breakfast meal from Maccies.

Bad diet and obesity (so often going hand in hand) kills millions of people years before their time every year, and causes untold, largely avoidable misery. I make no apology whatsoever for "looking down on" rice chips fried onion and curry as some supposed crab linguine or similar busting meal, or "all celery in all forms is utter shit" type comments, and nor do I make any apology for coming down hard on what I consider to be inverted snobbery and/or peer pressure type comments, like somehow I'm a "snob" or "posh" because hey, I like to prepare and eat good food. I wish far more people did it, because they'd likely live a lot longer, happier lives.

I'm reminded of when I was a 16 year old sheet metal worker apprentice, sat in smoke-filled factory cabins during break time, being surrounded by 30 adult men - all well senior to me - every single one of them Sun newspaper in one hand, B&H gold in the other, being "expected" to be "one of them" and buy my own Sun and fags. I decided even at that tender age, and despite having the most precarious existence possible, suffering real hunger and poverty that I very much fucking doubt very few here knows the first thing about (but could be wrong), I wasn't going to read that rag; I wasn't going to do stuff that I thought was shit, just because it made others comfortable for me to do so, to conform with the herd. I do things because *I* want to do them, whether others like it, or not, because it's *my* life and how I wish to lead it.

I'll let others be the judge as to whether I'm a nice guy or not. IRL, dare I say, people seem to think so - but this is a strange virtual place that, IMO, brings out the very worst in people, me included perhaps.

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Next he'll be slagging off everyones Porscheon sizes.


Hah! Right on cue, love it.

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I think you've misunderstood Cavey - I was calling you a snob for denigrating other people's meal choices. This was after you made it clear that your insistence on Kashmiri chillies wasn't snobbish because because they are cheap. I was just using a gentle ribbing to point out the hypocrisy there.

Anyway, I'm happy to draw a line under it.

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Well, I make my own oven chips. From scratch. So ner.


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Well to be fair, FWIW, I can barely post anything at all, ever, without someone leaping in with some shite or other, but that's fair enough I'm a big boy etc. - I just give it right back, in spades. As for Hearthly, he and I have known each other for 15-odd years and have had some right old jousts; I seriously, seriously doubt he's remotely bothered by this micro-storm in a thimble but if he is, I'm sure he'll let me know himself.

The issue, for me at least, is that people are leaping in making wide, sweeping statements about what is, and is not shit, with all sorts of "well, I've got my Asda crisps" type posts in what's supposed to be a food and cooking thread. For me, the analogy is me repeatedly going into the PC thread saying "all custom PCs are total shit, my 5-year old laptop is all you need", or perhaps "all console games are utter shit" in the PS4 thread, or "I don't do any exercise at all and am fucking loving it" in the middle aged spread thread. No-one is saying I CAN'T do this/I don't have freedom of speech, but equally, I'm sure it would be considered unhelpful at best and annoying spamming at worst, no doubt attracting criticism of some sort or other.

As for the money card, the irony for me is that, as I've said, Kashmiri chillies and other similarly directly sourced spices cost mere pence - much cheaper, in fact, than shop-bought, if bought in reasonable quantities. I wouldn't mind if I'd come on here and said "eat caviar or you're a pleb" or somesuch, but I very much haven't; Waldorf salad is far from expensive to make either - far, far less per portion than a McMuffin breakfast meal from Maccies.

Bad diet and obesity (so often going hand in hand) kills millions of people years before their time every year, and causes untold, largely avoidable misery. I make no apology whatsoever for "looking down on" rice chips fried onion and curry as some supposed crab linguine or similar busting meal, or "all celery in all forms is utter shit" type comments, and nor do I make any apology for coming down hard on what I consider to be inverted snobbery and/or peer pressure type comments, like somehow I'm a "snob" or "posh" because hey, I like to prepare and eat good food. I wish far more people did it, because they'd likely live a lot longer, happier lives.

I'm reminded of when I was a 16 year old sheet metal worker apprentice, sat in smoke-filled factory cabins during break time, being surrounded by 30 adult men - all well senior to me - every single one of them Sun newspaper in one hand, B&H gold in the other, being "expected" to be "one of them" and buy my own Sun and fags. I decided even at that tender age, and despite having the most precarious existence possible, suffering real hunger and poverty that I very much fucking doubt very few here knows the first thing about (but could be wrong), I wasn't going to read that rag; I wasn't going to do stuff that I thought was shit, just because it made others comfortable for me to do so, to conform with the herd. I do things because *I* want to do them, whether others like it, or not, because it's *my* life and how I wish to lead it.

I'll let others be the judge as to whether I'm a nice guy or not. IRL, dare I say, people seem to think so - but this is a strange virtual place that, IMO, brings out the very worst in people, me included perhaps.

To be fair I don't think this thread was ever going to be the place for your public health crusade. Unless you think that delicious but fatty, sugary foods cooked with care at home are somehow going to be much better for you than the same amount of fat and sugar from McDonalds or somewhere. Eating too much of that stuff will fuck you up no matter where it comes from.


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You have a point Mark - but the emotive use of the term "crusade" totally undermines it. (I'm not saying I'm any better btw; this is kinda the point; it's difficult for any genuine, civil debate to take place at all, here, unless it's the Kleeeeeeeeek(tm) whereupon people largely agree anyway).

For the record I am not on a "healthy eating crusade" as such, I eat too much generally, and too much fatty foods specifically. However, I still think there's *some* truth in the quality of food being important; organic veg > normal > GM for instance, or freedom food meat > hormone and antibiotic pumped factory reared meat etc. But that's another debate.

No, I'm simply suggesting that bothering to cook and create meals from scratch is a pleasurable and worthwhile thing to do, and as a byproduct is often a healthier overall option, and therefore likely to have some health benefits? I really don't see that as contentious but then, this is Beex we're talking about, right? :roll:

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It's like the constant mentions of 70/95k porsches that are shorthand mockery of someone's public declaration of wealth/jealousy (I skimmed it a few weeks back but cars aren't really an interest of mine unless they are pink or mint green, so wasn't quite sure what was going on).
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Don't mind celery but not that often I bother with it in a salad.

I do use it in Bolognese when cooking along with carrot and onion to ensure that I can sneak some green stuff in my boy.

There are worse things than celery, cauliflower for example.


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Cooked celery is a disgusting, slimy mess. Raw is a delicious crunch.

This is intriguing. Offhand, I can only think of cooking celery under the circumstances I mentioned earlier: as a base for Italian and Cajun stews (in which case, it's diced finely and basically disappears into the meal, adding some base notes to the flavour but no meaningful texture) or as a soup (in which case it's typically blended.) Possibly, though, this is because I don't like it much, so wouldn't cook it any other way. Under what circumstances have you had it cooked in large enough pieces to be slimy?


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I like it when you tickle in your ear with a raw brocolli floret.

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Does he do that for you often?


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That's not mocking wealth, that's mocking pomposity.


That's fine with me. I mentioned that in response to a long, long line of trolling and provocative posts from you, presumably because you were pissed that I'd proved that mean, cost-of-living adjusted incomes among the working - including the early 20s - hadn't just increased from the mid 70s and early 80s as I'd originally claimed - but actually rocketed in fact, as according to the ONS. But of course, rather than just concede the point you come back with trolling and "you're the gift that keeps on giving" type posts, because that's how you roll. That you then complain when I, eventually, troll *you* with something that I know damn well is going to get your goat which it surely did (lulz), well, that pretty much says it all Gaywood. "Pomposity"? Nah. Just desserts matey. (Besides, I'll hardly take any lectures from you of all people on that score - lol)

Like I said, I'll just come back in spades, so if you (or anyone else) doesn't like it - don't do it. Don't come whining or grizzling to me about it afterwards, I'm neither interested or remotely bothered.

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Delia says....

"Celery is a surprisingly good vegetable for roasting and tastes delicious cooked with pancetta, shallots, white wine vinegar and herbs."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/celer ... aigr_67190

So all you haters are doing it wrong :)


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You have a point Mark - but the emotive use of the term "crusade" totally undermines it. (I'm not saying I'm any better btw; this is kinda the point; it's difficult for any genuine, civil debate to take place at all, here, unless it's the Kleeeeeeeeek(tm) whereupon people largely agree anyway).

For the record I am not on a "healthy eating crusade" as such, I eat too much generally, and too much fatty foods specifically. However, I still think there's *some* truth in the quality of food being important; organic veg > normal > GM for instance, or freedom food meat > hormone and antibiotic pumped factory reared meat etc. But that's another debate.

No, I'm simply suggesting that bothering to cook and create meals from scratch is a pleasurable and worthwhile thing to do, and as a byproduct is often a healthier overall option, and therefore likely to have some health benefits? I really don't see that as contentious but then, this is Beex we're talking about, right? :roll:

Fair enough but I'm pretty sure that nobody thought that some sausage patties from Tescos would turn out to be contentious either. You can't just keep on blaming everyone else every time you get in an argument.


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Call it arrogance, conceit or whatever, but I feel entirely comfortable that if I have done anything it's no worse than anyone else - but irrespective and in any event, I really don't give a shit.

I replied to Mimi at length because she's someone I've met and I think she's a very nice lady irrespective of what she thinks of me, or not, but as for Gaywood, Myp (or frankly, you) and other other detractors think - fill your boots, have a good piss and moan or whatever. For my part I think you're likely an argumentative bunch of presumably very bored people, with one axe or other to grind for reason(s) best known to yourselves.

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