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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:04 
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So, another day, another password breach (this time at Yahoo! again)

What's the most user-friendly way of using unique passwords at different sites, and managing this easily?

Ideally I want something that I can use on both my desktop and phone (so, web based?), so that I'm not dicking around trying to look up a password on one device to type into another.

Is there anything out there that can actually manage this in a way that doesn't inconvenience me more than re-using the same password variations on every site? What do people here do for password security?

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:13 
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I've started using LastPass in recent months just to try and encourage me to use more complex passwords and vary them more by site too as I've always been quite lazy. I've not used the mobile app yet though as I don't really use many sites on my phone.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:21 
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I use 1Password. It can generate them too.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:37 
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Like Kov, I take two bottles into the shower.

I also use 1Password Families, which has become a bit spendy since the pound tanked against the dollar (think it's basically a fiver per month now) but it does exactly what I need.

Generates passwords
Can access on my phone, on a desktop app, on a browser.
Fingerprint recognition on the phone is a gamechanger as it takes a second to access all my passwords.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:40 
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I paid for IOS version.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:56 
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A fiver a month? Lastpass is about a fiver a year.


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:56 
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I paid for IOS version.

Yeah so do I, but you can't use that on the desktop, which is one of Russ's requirements.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:59 
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It looks like Lastpass will do synching across all devices in the premium version, but the page is crashing for me at the moment to look at further details.

At the minute mali's suggestion fits the bill :)

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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I just use Chrome and my Google account.


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Mr Russell wrote:
It looks like Lastpass will do synching across all devices in the premium version, but the page is crashing for me at the moment to look at further details.

At the minute mali's suggestion fits the bill :)



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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Mr Russell wrote:
At the minute mali's suggestion fits the bill :)

Does it?

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so that I'm not dicking around trying to look up a password on one device to type into another

Looking up a password on a bit of paper and typing it into your computer sounds very similar to this issue.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Lonewolves wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I paid for IOS version.

Yeah so do I, but you can't use that on the desktop, which is one of Russ's requirements.


This is the internet, we never give what you want.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:19 
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KovacsC wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I paid for IOS version.

Yeah so do I, but you can't use that on the desktop, which is one of Russ's requirements.


This is the internet, we never give what you want.

Have you tried buying an xbox?


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:19 
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A fiver a month? Lastpass is about a fiver a year.


Crikey, he's not wrong.

Balls.

Is Lastpass shit?

Say it's shit, because I can't face trying to get all my passwords out of 1password and starting again.


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:19 
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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Mr Dave wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I paid for IOS version.

Yeah so do I, but you can't use that on the desktop, which is one of Russ's requirements.


This is the internet, we never give what you want.

Have you tried buying an xbox?


yes I have

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:26 
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Findus Fop wrote:
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
A fiver a month? Lastpass is about a fiver a year.


Crikey, he's not wrong.

Balls.

Is Lastpass shit?

Say it's shit, because I can't face trying to get all my passwords out of 1password and starting again.


You can import them apparently

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:27 
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devilman wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
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A fiver a month? Lastpass is about a fiver a year.


Crikey, he's not wrong.

Balls.

Is Lastpass shit?

Say it's shit, because I can't face trying to get all my passwords out of 1password and starting again.


You can import them apparently


nice! thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 13:00 
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Consider the security around the password store. Is Lastpass just a webservice with user/pass auth? That would worry me. 1Password is stored in my Dropbox, which has 2FA.

I don't pay for 1Password Families, so I don't pay any ongoing fee; I just use the Android/iOS/OS X native apps with Dropbox syncing and the Chrome extension.


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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I also use 1password, which is excellent and not expensive at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 13:27 
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Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Zardoz wrote:
Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 13:35 
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I use LastPass. Very cheap premium service, 2FA, has its own mobile authenticator app which handles 2FA on other sites better than Google's etc, detects password changes in the browser, has password / security audit functionality, notifies users of major breaches, password generator, etc etc.

And it was recommended by a top bod in the security industry, which I trust more than random internet anecdotes (the irony of saying this is not lost on me)

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 13:38 
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Consider the security around the password store. Is Lastpass just a webservice with user/pass auth? That would worry me.


That's not really how it works. Basic info: https://lastpass.com/how-it-works/

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 13:51 
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User-side encryption is de rigeur, and doesn't protect you against phising however (as LastPass famously found out.) It does support 2FA, though, which is a significant factor.


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 14:00 
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Nothing really protects you from phishing, though. (By which I mean you could use any password manager, or password storage system you fancy, and if you fall for a "looks legit" scam you're probably stuffed. This is obviously where 2FA comes in.)

LastPass also had a breach a few years ago (memory failing on year?) but the key - certainly for me personally - is how they dealt with it. Transparency is v important. I believe 1Password are really good with this as well, from what I've heard.

(Incidentally, no data was obtained in the breach.)

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Yes, I know, and yes, I agree. It's why I encourage everyone to adopt 2FA, if only for a few accounts that really matter (e.g. your password manager and your primary email that can reset all the other logins.)


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 14:08 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Yes, I know, and yes, I agree. It's why I encourage everyone to adopt 2FA, if only for a few accounts that really matter (e.g. your password manager and your primary email that can reset all the other logins.)


Yesss :)

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 14:14 
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I think I'll try this LastPass. Thanks all.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?


Goro


If no one else is going to acknowledge this, then I will.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?


Goro


If no one else is going to acknowledge this, then I will.

Good work Mali.

yes, but how do you 'be' Goro?

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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TheVision wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?


Goro


If no one else is going to acknowledge this, then I will.

Good work Mali.


Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Mr Russell wrote:
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MaliA wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?


Goro


If no one else is going to acknowledge this, then I will.

Good work Mali.

yes, but how do you 'be' Goro?

Just choose him from the character select screen.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Grim... wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
TheVision wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Aren't you supposed to use a capital letter and a special character too?


Goro


If no one else is going to acknowledge this, then I will.

Good work Mali.

yes, but how do you 'be' Goro?

Just choose him from the character select screen.

HTH HAND

To be fair it does, as the first and only MK game I had was Mortal Kombat Trilogy on the PS1 and he was just there.

I do love Consolevania though.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 15:51 
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Trying out LastPass, seems very good so far, thanks for all the recommendations.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Just realised that when I set up a new password in my password manager, I often cycle through 3-4 randomisations until I find one I like the look of. Even though it's 15-characters of something I'm never going to clap eyes on again.

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Doesn't everyone do that?

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Doesn't everyone do that?


Perhaps. But why?


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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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No, I don’t. I always just popped up the first time.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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Alternatively you could just type in "password" to get your own set of random characters ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?


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DavPaz wrote:
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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?


Hey yo!

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MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?


Hey yo!

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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MaliA wrote:
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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?


Hey yo!


I use a spreadsheet.


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TheVision wrote:
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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?


Hey yo!


I use a spreadsheet.

Not a notebook, no. I have a randomly generated 15 character base which is prefixed and suffixed by a variety of other characters, based on the name of the app, website, etc. The base is not recorded on paper or electronically anywhere, it's only in my head. I only have to remember the base and can then work out the prefix/suffix, based on the app/site name.

Dog help me if I ever forget the base characters.

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 Post subject: Re: Password Manager
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I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?

Hey yo!

I use a spreadsheet.

Having a local password list is pretty secure, and far more secure than reusing passwords.

Nearly all password attacks happen remotely.

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TheVision wrote:
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DavPaz wrote:
Warhead wrote:
I assume that none of you will be surprised to learn that I don’t trust password managers.

Do you write your passwords in a little notebook instead?


Hey yo!


I use a spreadsheet.

I use keepass. Bit neater.


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