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I am looking at getting this. Has any one got one, and how much does it save?

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I've got one. It didn't save me anything as I had to pay money for it.

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I meant off your bills.. etc

not the cost of the device!

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I have Nest, which is similar but better looking.

I have no idea how much I saved. I just wanted the shiny.

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I wan the shiny, just trying to justify the saving :)

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Get Nest then, it's shinier.

I fitted it myself, it's pretty easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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I have Nest, which is similar but better looking.

I have no idea how much I saved. I just wanted the shiny.

HTH, HAND


I'm having Hive fitted Friday, was in PC World yesterday looking for a laptop for my Dad. Got all excited looking a really cool heating control, round with a great interface etc. Then noticed it was the new Nest one :)


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I meant off your bills.. etc

not the cost of the device!

Probably nothing. Switching providers saved me money

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


There is probably some electronics and valves and stuff like that involved too, plus a plastic case and a dial at least.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


There is probably some electronics and valves and stuff like that involved too, plus a plastic case and a dial at least.


With Hive there is some sort of wireless box that lets you control it on phones etc

I already have a wireless thermostat on my boiler so paid for an install as not 100% how all that would work


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?

Two wires from the Nest hub to the boiler to switch the demand signal on or off; two wires from the wall to the Nest hub to power it. That's for using it for heating control only (typically with a combi boiler). If you also have stored hot water, you'll have to have another timer in the circuit to control that; the Nest only does heating.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Edit: Written before the Doc replied.

Well yes, electricality dooberries and so forth, but the actual connection to the boiler is just a straightforward switch on and off arrangement.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Thermostat is just two wires, isn't it?


Yeah. Not sure why mine was bridged


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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British gas are now doing it for £9 a month over 2 years.. Tempted so I can get it fitted.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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It's probably just power in, power out and send to boiler. I'd wait for expert advice, but Joans is having his birthday.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Do you actually use the remote timer do-dab, or is it just shiny-shiny that sits on the same set program you had before?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Do newer ones have that feature where Mr Putin can adjust your heating for you, which is kind of him although the three hour time difference can be irritating?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Do you actually use the remote timer do-dab, or is it just shiny-shiny that sits on the same set program you had before?

That's not what the point is. The point is more sophisticated programs eg. the ability to run the heating to a lower level overnight and during the day during very cold spells.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Ahh, that makes more sense. Clever timer AND thermostat controls gives you loads more flexibility. Now, when they have clever *room* thermostats we'll really be in business.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Actually, looking at the Nest website you probably can do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Multiple Nests will co-operate if you have a zoned heating system, which (I believe) is now required in new homes. Although that's 2-3 zones, not one per room. One per room would require... intensive... plumbing, as the Nest can only switch the boiler circuit and not the radiator.

There are smart radiator valves, but I don't know how good or well-supported they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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https://www.tado.com/gb/

If you have radiators and want to be able to control each one independently, then the Tado system supports that. Not cheap though, I think it's about £40 per radiator.
Plus, UK heating systems with radiators are usually built on the assumption that the radiators will be in the system, turning them on and off a lot might cause issues. Especially if you shut it down to only having one turned on, that will cause the boiler pump to trip on and off a lot as the pressure build up will be too great, and could cause more wear resulting in an earlier failure.


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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the Nest only does heating

3rd gen has been out for a while, and deals with your water too.

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This will all be so much easier when they work out pipeless radiators.


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It's probably just power in, power out and send to boiler. I'd wait for expert advice, but Joans is having his birthday.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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British gas are now doing it for £9 a month over 2 years.. Tempted so I can get it fitted.


I think you have to take the Home Care out for 2 years to qualify for this. If you bail on the Home Care during that time there is a slide scale of payback for the Hive.


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Isn't this all just an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist?


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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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KovacsC wrote:
British gas are now doing it for £9 a month over 2 years.. Tempted so I can get it fitted.


I think you have to take the Home Care out for 2 years to qualify for this. If you bail on the Home Care during that time there is a slide scale of payback for the Hive.


I have home care

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Isn't this all just an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

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Christ, you have to pay £9 a month to use the remote control stuff on Hive.

Fucking that noise.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Christ, you have to pay £9 a month to use the remote control stuff on Hive.

Fucking that noise.


No it is either £9 a month or a one of payment. I think

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Ah, yes, that's correct. It was a really badly-worded advert.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive (Central Heating)
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Isn't this all just an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist?


I had a new boiler put in 2 years ago. I told the plumber I wanted a good quality one that would be large enough to deal with extra\larger radiators when we extended the house.

So I paid £2500 for a huge combi boiler with a 10 year guarantee. Its been brilliant never had a single issue and the house is always warm when needed.

Only issue with is the controls on the boiler, it has one of those wheels with tiny teeth that you need to push out with a pen to set when you want the heating on, we are always trying to do this with our fingers and then knocking the inner wheel that sets the time. So we end up with heating that should be on a 5am coming on at 8am :)

There is a wireless thermostat with it but that's shit.

So the main thing I want this for is just easy programing and turning the heating on and off. My wife can turn it on when she is out and have the house warm and also if I'm honest I won't need to get off my arse to turn it off when the living room is too hot and the heat has made me sleepy :p

Hive is not as good as the new Nest as I don't think it has any or as much learning on how you use the heating, it does have a feature that turns the heating on if its a certain temperature in the house but not sure much more. I'll ask the fitter what it does in this area tomorrow.

If I'm honest I regret not getting Nest, but Hive was just easier to order as I have Homecare and Gas from BG, it will deal with the main things so it will be an improvement.


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You know what you should do with that fancy boiler? Tape a pen lid on a bit of string to it.

Seriously, it will make the world of difference to your altering the heating times on that wheel, but look stupid as fuck.

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Jem got a free Hive Hub and multicoloured lightbulb thing through the post the other week, so we set it up.

It's decent enough, but I can't help but think it's easier to just use the fucking switch on the wall than go through the rigmarole of opening the app, waiting for it to sign in, realising that it's signed you out because the session has expired, try and remember your password, get it wrong a few times, have to go through the forgotten password feature, reset your password, then login with the new password, then tell your light to come on.

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Jem got a free Hive Hub and multicoloured lightbulb thing through the post the other week, so we set it up.

It's decent enough, but I can't help but think it's easier to just use the fucking switch on the wall than go through the rigmarole of opening the app, waiting for it to sign in, realising that it's signed you out because the session has expired, try and remember your password, get it wrong a few times, have to go through the forgotten password feature, reset your password, then login with the new password, then tell your light to come on.


That doesn't sound right, I just had a look at the Hive app on one of my work mates phones, he doesn't have to sign in.

He has the heating installed but his app will also let him add bulbs and hubs so I'm guessing its the same one you are using


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You do have to be signed in, but I get the feeling it's supposed to remember that you're signed in so you don't have to keep doing it.

My app does that sometimes, but most of the time not.

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We had a new boiler a few years ago and like others, I asked for the best!

I paid a fair bit and got a boiler with a digital panel where you programme the times it comes on and off. I also have a wireless thermostat on the wall in my hall.

I’ve set the times on the boiler for the heating to come on and off and the thermostat occasionally gets turned up or down a notch, depending on how warm it is.

This has worked absolutely fine in the time I’ve had the boiler… I don’t think I’m the right market for this new fangled technology and as for anyone that says “You can set the heating to come on while you’re out…” Pffft, Pointless.


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We had a new boiler a few years ago and like others, I asked for the best!

I paid a fair bit and got a boiler with a digital panel where you programme the times it comes on and off. I also have a wireless thermostat on the wall in my hall.

I’ve set the times on the boiler for the heating to come on and off and the thermostat occasionally gets turned up or down a notch, depending on how warm it is.

This has worked absolutely fine in the time I’ve had the boiler… I don’t think I’m the right market for this new fangled technology and as for anyone that says “You can set the heating to come on while you’re out…” Pffft, Pointless.

I've got one and I completely agree with you. It is pointless.

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Setting it come on when you're 10 minutes away in freezing weather... that's numberwang


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Setting it come on when you're 10 minutes away in freezing weather... that's numberwang

Nest turns itself on when you're coming home. Pressing buttons is for cavemen.

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In the Leaf, I can set the climate control timer to come on so that the car's nice and toasty before I leave the house in the morning.

However, the software will only allow you to do one on/off cycle a day, so I can't make it do it before I leave work too.

PAIN IN THE ARSE.

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However, the software will only allow you to do one on/off cycle a day, so I can't make it do it before I leave work too.

How bizarre.

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All in and working for me now

So far I've just replicated the heating schedule we had before, but like the shinny and smart phone connection.

Didn't have the thermostat put on the wall and will probably chuck more money to BG for a stand and frame

My wife is far from impressed, coldness will be her motivator as I don't think the heating will work via the boiler wheels anymore. The engineer set that to always on and Hive sits over that now. She is pregnant and tired at the moment but will thank me one day:)


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She is pregnant and tired at the moment but will thank me one day:)


That's not patronising at all :P Good job she's not a beex-er!

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She is pregnant and tired at the moment but will thank me one day:)


That's not patronising at all :P Good job she's not a beex-er!


I was joking :) I've gone through it with her now and explained that she can only control the heating via he phone or the Hive thermostat

Already see improvements with Hive, I have the heating set to the same times and temperature as the old one, before the heating just used to be on for the full time period and towards the end the house was too hot.

Now I see it going off maybe an hour before the end as the house is at the specified temperature, so I guess maybe the old thermostat was broken.

Also like the anywhere access, surprising how the house holds its temperature during the day, also can boost it from anywhere via the phone if needed.


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I have the heating set to the same times and temperature as the old one, before the heating just used to be on for the full time period and towards the end the house was too hot.

Now I see it going off maybe an hour before the end as the house is at the specified temperature, so I guess maybe the old thermostat was broken.

Also like the anywhere access, surprising how the house holds its temperature during the day.


My heating does all that too!

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She is pregnant and tired at the moment but will thank me one day:)


That's not patronising at all :P Good job she's not a beex-er!


I was joking :) I've gone through it with her now and explained that she can only control the heating via he phone or the Hive thermostat

Already see improvements with Hive, I have the heating set to the same times and temperature as the old one, before the heating just used to be on for the full time period and towards the end the house was too hot.

Now I see it going off maybe an hour before the end as the house is at the specified temperature, so I guess maybe the old thermostat was broken.

Also like the anywhere access, surprising how the house holds its temperature during the day, also can boost it from anywhere via the phone if needed.


I have ordered, it gets installed on Monday.

It it is crap, I am going to come round and smash your baubles

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