I got up to a stealth section that I didn't much like and stopped.

I got up to a stealth section that I didn't much like and stopped.

(see also: nu tomb raider)

Only ever done well in Ico, a game where it is the central mechanic.)

And God of War (the new one). And The Last of Us.

And God of War (the new one). And The Last of Us.

If the companion NPCs can't be killed then it's not an escort mission.

(see also: escort missions. Only ever done well in Ico, a game where it is the central mechanic.)

He’s on about escort missions.

Whilst I think of it, those fucking stick figure families on the back of cars. Cunt markers, that is what they are.

I thought they were verified kills.

Not played nu gow, but I'd hardly say tlou is a good escort game. I have a distinct memory of hiding behind cover, watching my escorted jump up and down in the face of oblivious enemies.
Plot aside, there didn't seem (from memory) to be much point to them

The plot was the purpose... sigh.

Not played nu gow, but I'd hardly say tlou is a good escort game.

So it's not an example of escort as gameplay mechanics, like Ico is. Glad we agree.

Stealth games, with good stealth mechanics (thief, mgs, dishonoured etc etc) are a joy to play. When the game is less built around it, it suffers (see also: escort missions. Only ever done well in Ico, a game where it is the central mechanic.)

RE4 says "hi."

I'm confused. Is it a bad escort game, or not an escort game at all?

Never got that far, but I've certainly seen it used as the poster boy for "why not to have escorting in your game. the ai is as clever as a bunch of rocks"

It's not an escort game. And neither is TLOU.

I agree with you, but Mr Dave seemed to reverse his position inside of half an hour then triumphantly proclaim he was right all along, which was confusing.

I never said it was. I raised the escort thing as a way of saying some game mechanics struggle if it's not overly central to the game design.

I'd hardly say tlou is a good escort game.

And God of War (the new one). And The Last of Us.

The thing about escort mechanics is that the only way they work is make it so it's not really an escort you're doing. ICO does this by making the 'escortee' into a charismatic object to be pulled around the levels. The way TLOU and GoW do it is by making the 'escortee' as unobtrusive as possible. They stay out of trouble, mostly.

TLOU and GOW don't have any kind of escort mechanic at all. They're just NPCs that follow you around, it's nothing like the same thing.

TLOU and GOW don't have any kind of escort mechanic at all. They're just NPCs that follow you around, it's nothing like the same thing.

I don't think there's an example of an actual escort mechanic that isn't a frustrating mess.

Aww man. "Mr Chonks" can't play this anymore...

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