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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:27 
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Now imagine the article for a human controlled car.
"Yet another death from a human controlled car, time to ban them."

Only one death is amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:31 
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Presumably they can do the maths now, right? As in "AI driven cars have killed one person per X miles, compared to I driven cars which kill one person per Y miles".

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:50 
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So a woman ran straight out into the road unexpectedly? I assume that the car did react, but not in time, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:00 
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The article said that it made no attempt to brake but presumably this would have been after the collision anyway. Although these Uber things don't seem to be the best example of self-driving cars, requiring a lot of human intervention.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:29 
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The article said that it made no attempt to brake but presumably this would have been after the collision anyway. Although these Uber things don't seem to be the best example of self-driving cars, requiring a lot of human intervention.


Yeah, it's the desire of firms to get new cars means they develop absolute shit. For £2500 they could get a decent second hand car to use as a minicab that won't kill pedestrians and keep the tin foil hatters away.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:00 
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From viewing the videos, “it’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir said. The police have not released the videos.

Even if this were the case, I thought self-driving cars were loaded with RADAR/LIDAR sensors (or whatever they use) precisely so that they can detect objects in the path of and around the vehicle even in situations where they may not be visible to a camera/human eye?


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:16 
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Mabye, but maybe the conclusion it came to is "I'm going to hit her."

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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Mabye, but maybe the conclusion it came to is "I'm going to hit her."

Can't decide if you mean "I can't stop in time" or "Fuck this person in particular."


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:30 
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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:33 
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Presumably they can do the maths now, right? As in "AI driven cars have killed one person per X miles, compared to I driven cars which kill one person per Y miles".

This is dubious as fuck, but here goes: from here:

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In 2016, 37,461 people died in traffic-related accidents in the United States, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. That amounts to 1.18 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled in 2016. Waymo, which has been testing autonomous vehicles on public roads since 2009 when it was Google’s self-driving car project, has said its cars have driven more than 5 million miles while Uber’s cars have covered 3 million miles.


So human-driven vehicles result in 1.18 fatalities / 100 million miles, self-driven vehicles (with human supervision) now equate to 12.5 fatalities / 100 million miles. Although that's statistically pretty dubious, as I say, that's where the data stands today.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 13:28 
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We need more driverless car fatalities or a billion more autonomous car miles to be sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 14:15 
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Those figures lump all driverless cars together, though. Which you'd have to assume is something google/waymo would take exception to. They seem to be ahead of the Uber ones with their technology and haven't even killed anybody at all. Although to get figures on safety you would really need to know whether in any of those occasions where the human had to take over it might otherwise have been a really bad crash.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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And the other way around too, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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"The self-driving vehicle was doing 38MPH in a 35MPH zone, we're told. "
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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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I wonder if they were just reading off the instrument cluster though rather than it being a GPS-based speed reading.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 13:45 
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So a woman ran straight out into the road unexpectedly? I assume that the car did react, but not in time, right?


I see that the video has been release of the crash (not all of it, obviously)

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 13:55 
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Oh man, I think it should have avoided her.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:00 
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Definitely, whatever shitty camera that is has terrible low light performance and resolution. It was a lit road she would have been visible long before she appears in the video.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:00 
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Oh man, I think it should have avoided her.


Or at least reacted in some way, it didn't brake or swerve or anything.

I think a competent human driver would have made a much better job of it than that.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:15 
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I welcome our drunk driving robot overlords.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:16 
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That is inexcusable. Back to the drawing board, egg heads.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:42 
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I welcome our drunk driving speeding robot overlords.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:43 
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I imagine all the questions about legal liability and so on that everyone had are about to come to a pretty significant head.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 14:46 
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Still better than some human Uber drivers I've seen though.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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I mean, I didn't want to mention it as it feels harsh, but what the fuck is that sat behind the wheel of the car in the video.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:05 
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MrChris wrote:
I welcome our drunk driving speeding robot overlords.

Fixed.

Ha, yes, good point. :)

The accidents per mile thing looks very bad for Uber there. It also casts a bit of doubt over the utility of having a meatpuppet in the front seat waiting to take over when the robot overlord gets sleepy.

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 0:33 
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Those figures lump all driverless cars together, though. Which you'd have to assume is something google/waymo would take exception to. They seem to be ahead of the Uber ones with their technology and haven't even killed anybody at all. Although to get figures on safety you would really need to know whether in any of those occasions where the human had to take over it might otherwise have been a really bad crash.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/tech ... izona.html

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Uber’s robotic vehicle project was not living up to expectations months before a self-driving car operated by the company struck and killed a woman in Tempe, Ariz.

The cars were having trouble driving through construction zones and next to tall vehicles, like big rigs. And Uber’s human drivers had to intervene far more frequently than the drivers of competing autonomous car projects.

Waymo, formerly the self-driving car project of Google, said that in tests on roads in California last year, its cars went an average of nearly 5,600 miles before the driver had to take control from the computer to steer out of trouble. As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona, according to 100 pages of company documents obtained by The New York Times and two people familiar with the company’s operations in the Phoenix area but not permitted to speak publicly about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:44 
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I mean, I didn't want to mention it as it feels harsh, but what the fuck is that sat behind the wheel of the car in the video.


A 'The Voice' watcher, apparently

(although I had to double-check it was the same incident as I thought from the dashcam footage that it was a bloke.. oops)

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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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 Post subject: Re: Driverless Cars
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Probably the greatest driverless car sketch ever by my favourite canucks, Kids in the Hall.

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