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Author:  Findus Fop [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:22 ]
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Kern wrote:
I'm half-tempted to load up 'Chatroulette' later and ask people what they think about the general policy direction of the Juncker commission or their views on the democratic legitimacy of the co-decision procedure.


This would be brilliant.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:48 ]
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Can you restrict it to the UK?

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:57 ]
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No idea. I'm pretty sure before I got onto that question, let alone the intricacies of the proportionality principle, I'd just be seeing a cock.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:26 ]
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Whale Leave flotilla on Thames.

Author:  Jem [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:44 ]
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Brexit flotilla’s star trawler was involved in £63m fishing fraud

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:49 ]
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It's like the shittiest naval battle in history.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:59 ]
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I'm trying to resist the urge to look up all the times in history when flotillas from Europe have sailed up the Thames, no matter how funny the resulting post would be.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:00 ]
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Kern wrote:


Quote:
There have been reports of brief, light-hearted skirmishes, including the exchange of hose fire.


Amazing.

Author:  GazChap [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:45 ]
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I wish this one would end up in the Thames.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 18:14 ]
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The Spectator, unsurprisingly, goes for OUT.

Interesting blog post and worth reading if you want to hear a calm argument from the Brexit side. It gains bonus points for referencing the Hapsburgs, the Glorious Revolution, and the American Civil War.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 19:05 ]
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Anyone who wants to sound like Kern at their next dinner party could do worse than the memorise this

Brexit: how a fringe idea took hold of the Tory party

http://gu.com/p/4y44y?CMP=Share_Android ... _clipboard

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 19:55 ]
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I am also available for weddings, christenings, and bar mitzvahs.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 21:26 ]
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Saw this flyer on the street earlier:

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 21:31 ]
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It would mean an end to Cameron as PM, and Boris replacing him.
Hardly a socialist win there.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 21:40 ]
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No, what happens is that the workers will lose their false consciousness, throw off their chains, and rise up against the bourgeoisie

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 21:47 ]
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Kern wrote:
No, what happens is that the workers will lose their false consciousness, throw off their chains, and rise up against the bourgeoisie

...and cavey will be furious.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 21:50 ]
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Question I asked myself earlier, if we vote leave does that make Farage unemployed? It's a tempting thought...

Author:  Cras [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 21:56 ]
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
It would mean an end to Cameron as PM, and Boris replacing him.
Hardly a socialist win there.


And most likely an end to minimum wages, working time regs, maternity pay, guaranteed paid leave, and a bastard load of other things. They've not really thought this through.

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 22:12 ]
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Not my fault gov, wouldn't be in this situation of it weren't for them immigants. They caused me to cut my nose off, they did. Coming over here with their fancy words like 'umon rites'. Sounds dodgy, gov, some sort of eastern Europe cult,no doubt.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 22:43 ]
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Marx was an immigrant, after all.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 22:46 ]
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Communist plot uncovered in Highgate

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 22:46 ]
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Cras wrote:
working time regs

Quite. There's a far-from-impossible scenario looming where Prime Minister Johnson "sets businesses free" by "cutting red tape" and repeals the Working Time Directive. Do you reckon employers like Sports Direct will be giving people 28 days of paid leave once it's not legally mandatory? Do you think they won't be pressuring low paid workers into working 50 or 60 or more hours per week as a contracted obligation?

Author:  Kern [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 22:50 ]
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Just as well we've got a strong opposition party that believes in that and people willing to pound the streets and knock on doors at all hours to get them into government so these things that matter are kept.

Author:  markg [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:39 ]
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The first thing they'll do is destroy the unions so that a left wing opposition party becomes impossible to fund.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:54 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Communist plot uncovered in Highgate

This deserves some smattering of applause at least.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:41 ]
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One week to go.

I think my game plan for 'Eurovision: Civil War' will be to watch the exit polls and coverage at the start, then turn in and get up around 4 AM. I'll probably have the bedside radio on just in case something big happens.

Private drinking games? Shot of wine for every area that goes 'remain'; shot of beer for every area that goes 'out'?

Author:  Mr Russell [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:44 ]
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Kern wrote:
One week to go.

I think my game plan for 'Eurovision: Civil War' will be to watch the exit polls and coverage at the start, then turn in and get up around 4 AM. I'll probably have the bedside radio on just in case something big happens.

Private drinking games? Shot of wine for every area that goes 'remain'; shot of beer for every area that goes 'out'?

What? Is this a FPTP referendum rather than an overall majority vote?

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:45 ]
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No, it's overall vote but the counting will be done by local authority area.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:47 ]
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BBC FAQ:

Quote:
...counts will get under way when polls close at 22:00 GMT Thursday, 23 June at 382 local centres around the UK. These local results will be declared as the counts are completed before being collated at 12 regional centres, which will also declare the totals for each side. There will be a rolling total so the time at which one side reaches the point of being mathematically unbeatable depends on how quickly the vote are counted and how close the results are running. It is a safe bet that from 4am onwards there should be pretty clear picture of which way the vote is going. A chief counting officer will announce the overall result at Manchester Town Hall.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:50 ]
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On the night itself, Michael Gove and David Cameron will both be hooked onto cranes. The more votes they get, the higher their opponent will be lifted. Once the 50%+1 mark is reached, the loser will be dropped into the Channel.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:52 ]
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Flipping heck.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:53 ]
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No i think the bit about the cranes was a joke, Russ

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:55 ]
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It's to encourage the young people to vote, apparently.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:12 ]
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Watched Gove on catch up TV last night (Question Time).
Sorry to say, he did very well, and was well received by the audience. I could feel the tide turning strongly in his favour; as ever with Nationalism, hubristic, jingoistic, soul-stirring land-of-milk-and-honey bullshit firmly trumps boring, dry economic facts. It's like no-one noticed £30Bn wiped off the stock exchange, wasn't even fucking mentioned.

I'm not liking being on the losing side very much, I must say. :(

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:21 ]
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I watched it last night as well. I don't think the tide turned in his favour; I think the general strength of favour was for him at the start. I know the audience was apparently balanced, but I guess the Brexiters seemed the more vocal.

I know it's a politician's way, but his flabby goat around the sheer contradiction of his ideas over the NHS made him so weasely in his snotty school boy appearance that I actually disliked him more by the end of the program... Something I didn't think was possible.

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:25 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Watched Gove on catch up TV last night (Question Time).
Sorry to say, he did very well, and was well received by the audience. I could feel the tide turning strongly in his favour; as ever with Nationalism, hubristic, jingoistic, soul-stirring land-of-milk-and-honey bullshit firmly trumps boring, dry economic facts. It's like no-one noticed £30Bn wiped off the stock exchange, wasn't even fucking mentioned.

I'm not liking being on the losing side very much, I must say. :(

Hold steady, Cavey. We can do this!

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:34 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Watched Gove on catch up TV last night (Question Time).
Sorry to say, he did very well, and was well received by the audience. I could feel the tide turning strongly in his favour; as ever with Nationalism, hubristic, jingoistic, soul-stirring land-of-milk-and-honey bullshit firmly trumps boring, dry economic facts. It's like no-one noticed £30Bn wiped off the stock exchange, wasn't even fucking mentioned.

I'm not liking being on the losing side very much, I must say. :(

Hold steady, Cavey. We can do this!


I'm sticking to the bitter end mate; for my part I am telling anyone who'll listen to vote Remain - but seem to be further cementing my rep as a dangerous Lefty among my hardline, cynical Eurosceptic social circle... fuck knows what they'd make of the forum lol.

Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:47 ]
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Cavey wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Watched Gove on catch up TV last night (Question Time).
Sorry to say, he did very well, and was well received by the audience. I could feel the tide turning strongly in his favour; as ever with Nationalism, hubristic, jingoistic, soul-stirring land-of-milk-and-honey bullshit firmly trumps boring, dry economic facts. It's like no-one noticed £30Bn wiped off the stock exchange, wasn't even fucking mentioned.

I'm not liking being on the losing side very much, I must say. :(

Hold steady, Cavey. We can do this!


I'm sticking to the bitter end mate; for my part I am telling anyone who'll listen to vote Remain - but seem to be further cementing my rep as a dangerous Lefty among my hardline, cynical Eurosceptic social circle... fuck knows what they'd make of the forum lol.

But it's not about left and right, eh?

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:05 ]
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Indeed.

Author:  markg [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:04 ]
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Mimi wrote:
I watched it last night as well. I don't think the tide turned in his favour; I think the general strength of favour was for him at the start. I know the audience was apparently balanced, but I guess the Brexiters seemed the more vocal.

I know it's a politician's way, but his flabby goat around the sheer contradiction of his ideas over the NHS made him so weasely in his snotty school boy appearance that I actually disliked him more by the end of the program... Something I didn't think was possible.

Yeah I thought he came across as every inch the sniveling little shitworm that he is.

Still holding out some hope, I think that Remain has become the "shy" option in popular discourse with the Leave camp most likely to want to shout about their intentions.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:18 ]
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Nigel Farage with Leave's new ad:

Image

Actual, literal Nazi propaganda:

Image

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:27 ]
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That can't be coincidence.

Surely the ad men have known what they are doing there, and have leaked the comparison shot after knowing full well that they've allowed that set up. M
I mean, surely...

The shots are too similar, even with the hedge/path leading out from the right.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:29 ]
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The angles and lines of the backgrounds and banks are identical. Even if it was taken in the same place the photographer would have to have been standing in the same spot.

Intentional, surely?

Author:  markg [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:35 ]
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I've never been one for being proud because of where I happened to get born but I'm fucking ashamed of it right now.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:46 ]
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Of all the stupid I've read, Fox going to Gibraltar to claim that a vote for remain will close the Spanish border and they need to vote leave to keep the border open has to rank among the most brainhurtingly thick.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:48 ]
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Mimi wrote:
The angles and lines of the backgrounds and banks are identical. Even if it was taken in the same place the photographer would have to have been standing in the same spot.

Intentional, surely?


At my most kindest I'd say that maybe they just hit up a photo library and searched for "refugee queue"

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:50 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Of all the stupid I've read, Fox going to Gibraltar to claim that a vote for remain will close the Spanish border and they need to vote leave to keep the border open has to rank among the most brainhurtingly thick.


Yes, we could just send the Navy round.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 13:50 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Mimi wrote:
The angles and lines of the backgrounds and banks are identical. Even if it was taken in the same place the photographer would have to have been standing in the same spot.

Intentional, surely?


At my most kindest I'd say that maybe they just hit up a photo library and searched for "refugee queue"


:this:

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 14:03 ]
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It gets better. Here's the original of that image of queues of referees. Guess what they've done? Photoshopped out the white people so it's very clear that all refugees are of course brown people

Author:  KovacsC [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 14:10 ]
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Cras wrote:
It gets better. Here's the original of that image of queues of referees. Guess what they've done? Photoshopped out the white people so it's very clear that all refugees are of course brown people


:facepalm:

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