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I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear

Yeah, that's me told, huh.

Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed.

I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear, is a characteristic of the Left. Whereas we, on the Right, can candidly discuss the absurdities and real politik implications of the Poll Tax; the ill-advised Lawson Boom; the catastrophic ERM, you lot can do no wrong. 'Conceited' and 'deluded' don't even begin to cover it, even to the point of denying what governments are even required to do, and what they're responsible for.

I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last.

I clearly missed a \s off my post.

Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)!

And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.

Lonewolves wrote:

And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.

This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines.
Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative?

I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds?

Lonewolves wrote:

And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.

Yeah, that's me told, huh.

Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed.
...

I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last.

Lonewolves wrote:

And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.

Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.

Cavey! We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"

Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.

Is that percentage of people who want Remain or Leave?

This is for people who vote "in". There's no undecideds.

Don't share these, ta.

Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation!

We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"

Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something?

The marital status one is weird. What's going on there?

DavPaz wrote:

Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation!

We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"

Did you smell a slightly musky scent?

But seriously - yay!

We need to have LEFT VS RIGHT KLEEEK MEET. (Or just meet for a few jars

)

Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something?

Cavey wrote:

Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.

If the definitely-not-a-hairpiece fits...

The marital status one is weird. What's going on there?

Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...?

If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?

Mr Vanilla, me.

Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...?

If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?

Whereabouts do you live, AnonX? I seldom see ot of what you describe. Do i happen to live in a bubble?

Don't worry the results of my poll suggest it's going to be 97% remain and 3% leave (ignoring the unsure)

Then those old people will die and leave younger generations with the crap that their vote brings about.

It was bad enough the feeling the first time it hit
When you realised your parents had let the world all go to shit

Related to what Mimi has said, MrsPaz's 86 year old grandmother has said that she's not going to vote, as it's nothing to do with her. I'm hoping to persuade her to vote Remain though.

Cavey wrote:

(If you want us to stop rebutting it, you could just stop saying it.)

clearly he/they thought there WAS stuff to apologies for in respect of specifically regulating the banks - but if you won't take it from the fucking Leaders of the Labour Party who were there at the time, you're hardly gonna take it from me, eh Doc. Ho hum.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:12 ]
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Cavey wrote: I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear I love how you think you got me figured out. Spoiler warning: across all the general and local elections for which I have been eligible to vote in, I've only voted Labour once, which was a protest vote in a safe Tory seat. Had Labour actually been in contention I likely would not have voted for them there, either. Further spoiler warning: there's a lot of political thought out there that's a bit larger than your two-party mindset. You're the one who's blinkered into seeing things in black and white. Not liking the Conservatives doesn't make one a Labour voter.

Author:	myp [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:16 ]
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Cavey wrote: Yeah, that's me told, huh. Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed. I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear, is a characteristic of the Left. Whereas we, on the Right, can candidly discuss the absurdities and real politik implications of the Poll Tax; the ill-advised Lawson Boom; the catastrophic ERM, you lot can do no wrong. 'Conceited' and 'deluded' don't even begin to cover it, even to the point of denying what governments are even required to do, and what they're responsible for. I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last. So you're saying that austerity has not caused the rise in food bank usage, that it's entirely a coincidence? Because that's a bold statement, akin to denying clim - oh wait, as you were. I've never voted Labour in a GE or local elections up until this point, just so you know. But keep fighting those internet boogeymen!

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:28 ]
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I clearly missed a \s off my post. Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)!

Author:	Mr Russell [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:33 ]
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Grim... wrote: I clearly missed a \s off my post. Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)! Thanks, it will be interesting.

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:35 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory. This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines. Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative? I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds?

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Author:	Mr Russell [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:37 ]
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Cavey wrote: Lonewolves wrote: And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory. This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines. Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative? I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds? No, he's saying that there wouldn't need to be a foodbank for you to volunteer at if you didn't vote Tory, because if the Tories weren't in power the country would have a better welfare system.

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:38 ]
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Ah right, sorry if I've misunderstood. Though, I'm sure Myp has said some stuff like this before?

Author:	Malc [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:39 ]
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Cavey wrote: Lonewolves wrote: And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory. This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines. Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative? I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds? Myp can speak for himself, but I don't read it that way at all. The way I read it, is that he's saying that food banks are only needed because of Austerity and that if there wasn't Austerity then you wouldn't need to volunteer.

Author:	myp [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:39 ]
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Cavey wrote: Lonewolves wrote: And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory. This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines. Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative? I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds? Umm, no, not at all. Weird that you would take it that way. I just think there's a huge cognitive dissonance present. You seem to want the best for the worst off in society, yet vote for a party who are systematically dismantling welfare and want to do the same with the NHS. It's just really strange.

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:41 ]
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Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:43 ]
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Cavey wrote: Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt. You're not like The Don Trump. More like Hitler, clearly.

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:44 ]
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Cavey wrote: Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt. Trump with your haircut would be at least 20% more electable.

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:44 ]
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GRAFS! This is for people who vote "in". There's no undecideds. Attachment: 1.png Attachment: 2.png Attachment: 3.png Don't share these, ta. We're making a "sharing" one later this week, you can do what you like with that.

Author:	myp [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:45 ]
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Is that percentage of people who want Remain or Leave?

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:45 ]
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Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation! We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:46 ]
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70% < £5k is an anomaly, as so few households bring in less than 5k (19) that it's messed everything up.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:47 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Cavey! We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been" Except for that one night...

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:47 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: Is that percentage of people who want Remain or Leave? Quote: This is for people who vote "in". There's no undecideds.

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:48 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation! We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been" Did you smell a slightly musky scent? But seriously - yay! We need to have LEFT VS RIGHT KLEEEK MEET. (Or just meet for a few jars )

Author:	myp [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:48 ]
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Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something?

Author:	Kern [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:48 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something? Have you ever tried reading one of the Treaties?

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:50 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: The marital status one is weird. What's going on there? People in different types of relationships tell us how they plan to vote in the upcoming referendum

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:52 ]
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Cavey wrote: DavPaz wrote: Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation! We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been" Did you smell a slightly musky scent? But seriously - yay! We need to have LEFT VS RIGHT KLEEEK MEET. (Or just meet for a few jars ) We'd need a sanctioned neutral ground, like a Lib Dem constituency. AHAHAHAHAHA

Author:	Cras [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:52 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something? I like the difference between Separated and Divorced in those stats. Like people start of being 'FUCK YEAH, EU' because it'll be loads easier to bang a 20 year old Lithuanian girl, then by the time their divorce comes through they've banged so many 20 year old Lithuanian girls that they're jaded and cynical about the whole idea.

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:54 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Cavey wrote: Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt. If the definitely-not-a-hairpiece fits... Nah, no chance of me wearing a rug. I'd look a total berk and have been a baldy for so long; it's my solar panel.

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:57 ]
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If you're wondering about overall "how are people voting" split, it's really close, and has been for the past three weeks. "Out" is on top, but barely (16,600 to 16,419). Last week was 17,249 out to 17,291 in!

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:59 ]
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Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...? If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy? Mr Vanilla, me.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:59 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: The marital status one is weird. What's going on there? Older people are more likely to vote Leave, and are also more likely to have a dead partner.

Author:	Mr Russell [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 13:00 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...? If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy? Mr Vanilla, me. https://yougov.co.uk/account/faq/

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 13:06 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...? If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy? Of course we do, and yes, probably. We don't pay that much, though (although we pay more than most people).

Author:	Anonymous X [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 14:18 ]
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Fuck me, the only we hope have left is if there is a "shy Bremainer" type effect going on which the polls can't reflect. Not entirely impossible, as some of use realise it's often best to stay quiet around nationalists loudmouths. The Remain campaign has been utterly limp and toothless so far. They really need to pull some rabbits out the metaphorical hat very soon, and keep that useless cretinous moron leading the Labour Party as far away from themselves as possible.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 14:26 ]
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Whereabouts do you live, AnonX? I seldom see ot of what you describe. Do i happen to live in a bubble?

Author:	Mimi [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 14:29 ]
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What they actually need to do is to get into the training schemes, further education centres, maternity groups, and outside primary schools (for parents, not the kids) and speak to young, disaffected people who don't usually vote, and tell them that it's important they have their say in this election more than just about any other, because otherwise it's going to be swayed by scared and/or greedy old people who will vote to try and protect their own interests in a world where they already have their wealth, their house, their savings, and misguidedly think they are guarding their assets and way of life from the free movement of people and it's results. Then those old people will die and leave younger generations with the crap that their vote brings about.

Author:	Anonymous X [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 14:32 ]
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MaliA wrote: Whereabouts do you live, AnonX? I seldom see ot of what you describe. Do i happen to live in a bubble? Err, which bits do I describe? I have no evidence of a "shy Bremainer" effect, I just hope that there is one, if that makes sense. I've seen lots of Leave.eu and GO groundtroopers out for the last month, no Remain campaigning locally (although I have seen a Remain stall on weekends in Southampton occasionally). Locally it's 100% Brexit people. Outside my family, the only non-Brexit people I know are non-British EU or Swiss citizens who are resident here.