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Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu May 24, 2018 18:05 ]
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Hmmm. I agree Loki is consistent, but he also doesn’t change, so that’s easy enough to pull off. Cap actually has some modest character development in there. Still, it’s pretty weak tea that this is an MCU highlight.

I imagine part of it is that Marvel are scared of losing people who miss a film. Although I think that ship has sailed anyway.

Related: I really liked this piece (which I may have posted before) https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/m ... v-box-sets It’s central thesis is that Infinity War is a mess if considered as a film, but a really good finale episode of season three of the world’s most expensive-to-make box set.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu May 24, 2018 22:05 ]
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Loki went from bad guy to good guy, I think saying he doesn't change is a bit much.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu May 24, 2018 22:18 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
The thing about Stark is... He was the only one who saw the full Chitauri threat in Avengers. If you look at his decisions since then they're all based on the fact that he's the only one who sees the bigger picture. That's why he created Ultron, that's why he keeps on building the armour. That's why he wanted the Avengers to be fully above board, because you can't fight Earth's corner from the shadows.


And whoops here comes the invincible alien warlord, and everything's fucked, and Tony was right all along.


Then why did he spend a whole movie dedicated to saying you could only fight the invincible alien warlord if the UN first passed a resolution against him?

Author:  GazChap [ Tue May 29, 2018 10:47 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
The thing about Stark is... He was the only one who saw the full Chitauri threat in Avengers. If you look at his decisions since then they're all based on the fact that he's the only one who sees the bigger picture. That's why he created Ultron, that's why he keeps on building the armour. That's why he wanted the Avengers to be fully above board, because you can't fight Earth's corner from the shadows.

Iron Man 3 ends with Stark finally being free of his need to be in a suit. He acknowledges that he is Iron Man, not the suit. He has the shrapnel and whatever removed from his chest, and has all of his suits destroyed to prove to Pepper that he can be free of his obsession. Hell, a huge part of the film is him trying to get shit done without his suit, because he has no other option.

Then comes Ultron, and suddenly he's back in his suits and all of that character arc was destroyed within the first 5 minutes.

I get that he's PTSD'd up to the nines, but it's lazy writing IMO.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 30, 2018 16:18 ]
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I thought Stark was suited up in Ultron, as they were running anti hydra missions. He created Ultron, so he could stop being an avenger, as the planet would be protected.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed May 30, 2018 17:20 ]
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Yeah, the revelations in the Winter Soldier are enough to explain why Stark has suited up again in Ultron. It would have been nice for it to be mentioned in the film.

Author:  GazChap [ Wed May 30, 2018 17:29 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
Yeah, the revelations in the Winter Soldier are enough to explain why Stark has suited up again in Ultron. It would have been nice for it to be mentioned in the film.

Yeah, but by this logic, by the time we get to Civil War, Stark should be dead set against signing the Sokovia Accords in the same way that Captain America is - the Government can clearly no longer be trusted, as evidenced by the Insight helicarriers in Winter Soldier.

His entire character is just a mess of continuity that I don't think can be explained "canonically". Watch Iron Man 1, 2 and 3 in succession and his character arc makes perfect sense. Stick the Avengers films in between, and possibly his other appearances in Captain America and Spider-Man, and suddenly he's flip-flopping around more than Theresa May at a Tory party conference ;)

Author:  myp [ Sun Jun 10, 2018 22:32 ]
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Almost up to date now. Doctor Strange was enjoyable, Ragnarok was decent but not as good as I'd been led to believe. Black Panther was excellent.

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 15:35 ]
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GazChap wrote:
Pundabaya wrote:
The thing about Stark is... He was the only one who saw the full Chitauri threat in Avengers. If you look at his decisions since then they're all based on the fact that he's the only one who sees the bigger picture. That's why he created Ultron, that's why he keeps on building the armour. That's why he wanted the Avengers to be fully above board, because you can't fight Earth's corner from the shadows.

Iron Man 3 ends with Stark finally being free of his need to be in a suit. He acknowledges that he is Iron Man, not the suit. He has the shrapnel and whatever removed from his chest, and has all of his suits destroyed to prove to Pepper that he can be free of his obsession. Hell, a huge part of the film is him trying to get shit done without his suit, because he has no other option.

Then comes Ultron, and suddenly he's back in his suits and all of that character arc was destroyed within the first 5 minutes.

I get that he's PTSD'd up to the nines, but it's lazy writing IMO.


Yeah, but mostly Stark couldn't fight his way out out of a paper bag without the suits. What else was he going to do with Thanos? Sass him to death?


Also wtf marvel? Shit ending

Author:  Trooper [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 16:10 ]
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Ant Man and The Wasp is out, is everybody going to be queuing up to watch it later? Anyone? At all?

I'll probably go see it at the cinema at some point, as I have some free vouchers left.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 16:19 ]
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I'll probably go. Loved Ant Man and more Evangeline Lilly is always good.

Author:  Malc [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 17:03 ]
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I'll see it as soon as I have the time to take the kids to see it, so probably in a fortnight.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 18:45 ]
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I'm hoping to get to it sometime this weekend. I really enjoyed the first one and might even be able to drag Mrs B given that it'll be pretty stand-alone and not require much back story.

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 18:56 ]
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Cras wrote:
I'll probably go. Loved Ant Man and more Evangeline Lilly is always good.

She wears a tight leather catsuit in this one too. Unf.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 19:20 ]
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I’m seeing it at the BFI IMAX tomorrow :DD

Author:  Pundabaya [ Thu Aug 02, 2018 21:37 ]
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I've seen it, it's great!

Author:  myp [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 0:01 ]
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Some good moments, but overall Infinity War is a bit of a mess. Very much suffered from being half a story too.

Not MCU's finest hour after some really brilliant recent films. Disappointing.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 0:05 ]
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You’re just a wrong un.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 0:13 ]
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Anyhoo, I saw Ant-Man & the Wasp. It was entirely bleh.

Author:  myp [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 0:19 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Anyhoo, I saw Ant-Man & the Wasp. It was entirely bleh.

I'll probably love it then!

Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 0:49 ]
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Ant Man and The Wasp was excellent. Massive departure from the MCU in general, with all background provided via Agent Exposition at the start.

Fun, funny, excellent action, great CGI, smaller (hah) scale in that it’s a rescue operation of one person and not a universe sized problem, and generally just ace.

I’d probably have it above BP and below Ragnarok.

Author:  Cras [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:11 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Some good moments, but overall Infinity War is a bit of a mess. Very much suffered from being half a story too.

Not MCU's finest hour after some really brilliant recent films. Disappointing.


Every time they talked about 'The Wizards' was brilliant.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:38 ]
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Don’t forget “I’ll go one better why’s Gamora.”

Antman & The Wasp felt like the Thor: Dark World days of Marvel films where characters motivation is explained in huge boring chunks of exposition. Not only that but the amount of made up “science” that the characters spout is utterly shameful as some scenes are just characters prattling on and on about molecular blah blah while filling airtime with people pressing buttons and machines whirling about. It’s all filler.

The action sequences are rehashed from the original film and largely consist of cars shrinking and expanding. In a film which is largely just pointless and a B-tier marvel film, it’s embarrassing that the director didn’t have any fun with the shrinking/enlarging concept. There’s nothing original or interesting here and only twice do they do anything remotely original - once when they throw a salt pot that grows and another when they throw a giant pez dispenser - and the latter was shown in the trailer! The fighting is, as you can expect, just people punching and kicking and shrinking and enlarging but it’s not really done in an interesting way either and most of it happens too fast for it to be impactful. After Infinity War and recently watching Mission Impossible the fights were just middle of the road and nothing to write home about. The action ended up being the most forgettable part of the film.

Thankfully the film has a few good laughs in it and Paul Rudd does a decent job with his cast of side kicks. The banter with the FBI detective is the real highlight of the film. Oh and the relationship with his daughter which is really nice.

But outside these moments Michael Douglas’ character does an excellent job of sucking all the fun out of each scene. Evangeline Lilly does an equally good job as she pouts her way through to the end but at least she gets to fight people. Mind you I’m sure she even nicks a move from Deadpool during one fight in a car!? The serious characters really stop this from being a fun jaunt and every time they’re on screen the action slows down and the laughs stop. Walton Goggins (who we know can act his balls off when given half the chance) continues his downward spiral as another pointless baddie role. What the hell is this guy thinking. Get him a proper character role for fucks sake. The new Ghost character was meh: the outfit design was cool but she was boring and her lone speaking part was just a massive exposition dump about how she doesn’t like such and such.

Oh I almost forgot about the story! Just like the people who made this film, aye? Yeah, it’s trash but no one watches these films for the plot, right, except Infinity War cause it’s badass (although I’ll still be pissed if people come back from the dead even though I know they will).

The ants were great though. I’d rather have a spin off film about them than another Antman film.

TLDR: Funny in parts, bland action, the CGI wasn’t bad, generally pointless, not worth watching but inoffensive enough. It was still infinitely more watchable than Black Panther though.

Author:  myp [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:39 ]
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Black Panther was ace, fool.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:27 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Black Panther was ace, fool.


Hahahahahaha. You’re hilarious. Tell me more jokes.

Author:  myp [ Sat Aug 04, 2018 13:17 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Black Panther was ace, fool.


Hahahahahaha. You’re hilarious. Tell me more jokes.

You have a very good taste in fillums

Author:  GazChap [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 13:36 ]
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Went to see Ant Man and the Wasp last night. Was pretty good, and apart from being very derivative of the first film I thought it was one of the MCU's best, again primarily because of the lack of "world ending" consequences to the plot.

Satsuma wrote:
Not only that but the amount of made up “science” that the characters spout is utterly shameful

Made up science in film about having the technology to shrink/enlarge objects shocker ;)

Satsuma wrote:
it’s embarrassing that the director didn’t have any fun with the shrinking/enlarging concept.

I agree that the action scenes weren't very interesting, but I'm not sure how you can have fun with the concept beyond what they've already done? Even the salt pot/Pez dispenser thing was a throw back to the Thomas The Tank Engine in the first film.

Satsuma wrote:
Oh I almost forgot about the story! Just like the people who made this film, aye?

The plot was fine for me. The only part that grated was that both the good guys and Ghost needed to do exactly the same thing as the first step of their respective plans, so I'd have liked to have seen some sort of co-operative work there only for one side to double cross the other later on rather than them just being at each other's throats the entire time - you still had the black market dealer as the out-and-out bad guy, so making Ghost a bit more complicated as a character would have been welcome.

Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 14:20 ]
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GazChap wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
Not only that but the amount of made up “science” that the characters spout is utterly shameful

Made up science in film about having the technology to shrink/enlarge objects shocker ;)


There's a wealth of films that do made-up science without filling dead air with characters talking endless amounts of gibberish and precious time filled with fiddling with machines and shots of equipment firing up. This isn't even an attempt at serious sci-fi, so it's inexcusable. It's filler.

GazChap wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
it’s embarrassing that the director didn’t have any fun with the shrinking/enlarging concept.

I agree that the action scenes weren't very interesting, but I'm not sure how you can have fun with the concept beyond what they've already done? Even the salt pot/Pez dispenser thing was a throw back to the Thomas The Tank Engine in the first film.


Hang on, doesn't the comic book go back to the 70's? I'm not up on the comics but surely there's tons of interesting stuff in the source material that they could have used if they were struggling for ideas beyond - car go down, car go up, car go down, car go up. And that's even if you can excuse the lack of imagination and creativity on the part of the writers and producers. Which I don't. I certainly don't feel the need to apologise on their behalf because they ran out of material in the first time. If that's the case then the sequel is pointless. Which it is, really.

Author:  LewieP [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 14:28 ]
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a lot of the made up science was just saying the word "quantum" a lot.

Author:  Jem [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 14:53 ]
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I enjoyed Ant Man & the Wasp last night but do agree re: the droning on about quantum this, that & the other. It felt like somewhat tedious filler in an otherwise enjoyable film.

Author:  GazChap [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 15:14 ]
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Jem wrote:
I enjoyed Ant Man & the Wasp last night but do agree re: the droning on about quantum this, that & the other. It felt like somewhat tedious filler in an otherwise enjoyable film.

What else could they realistically do, though? Any science technobabble is going to sound like filler because it's all bollocks, basically, isn't it?

At least the writers were semi-aware that it was all filler bollocks, with Paul Rudd's character asking if they're just putting the word "quantum" in front of everything.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 17:52 ]
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Worth it for the truth serum scene alone.

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Aug 08, 2018 18:42 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
Worth it for the truth serum scene alone.

There's no such thing!

Author:  Jem [ Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:51 ]
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GazChap wrote:
Jem wrote:
I enjoyed Ant Man & the Wasp last night but do agree re: the droning on about quantum this, that & the other. It felt like somewhat tedious filler in an otherwise enjoyable film.

What else could they realistically do, though? Any science technobabble is going to sound like filler because it's all bollocks, basically, isn't it?

At least the writers were semi-aware that it was all filler bollocks, with Paul Rudd's character asking if they're just putting the word "quantum" in front of everything.

I didn't say I had a better idea :p

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:56 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Some good moments, but overall Infinity War is a bit of a mess. Very much suffered from being half a story too.

Not MCU's finest hour after some really brilliant recent films. Disappointing.

Your face is a bit of a mess and only half a story. Disappointing.

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Aug 09, 2018 15:36 ]
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Enjoyed Infinity War a lot (although the deaths at the end were irritating in that it's super obvious that it's not permanent given the various actors' filming schedules) and it actually prompted me to watch Doctor Strange which I'd avoided until now due to an excess of Benedine Cummerbund. Very enjoyable stuff, really well written and always a joy to watch Chiwetel Ejiofor doing anything at all.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Aug 09, 2018 15:52 ]
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MrChris wrote:
(although the deaths at the end were irritating in that it's super obvious that it's not permanent given the various actors' filming schedules)

Hi! Welcome to April :kiss:

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Aug 09, 2018 15:55 ]
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Grim... wrote:
MrChris wrote:
(although the deaths at the end were irritating in that it's super obvious that it's not permanent given the various actors' filming schedules)

Hi! Welcome to April :kiss:

Yes, yes, I forgot to add that Michael Jackson was dead and there was a whale in the Thames.

Author:  myp [ Sat Aug 18, 2018 20:21 ]
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Ant-Man and the Wasp even better than the first one. I'm glad Sat is consistently wrong about all films as it makes it a lot easier to know which ones are good.

Author:  Bamba [ Sat Aug 18, 2018 21:56 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Ant-Man and the Wasp even better than the first one. I'm glad Sat is consistently wrong about all films as it makes it a lot easier to know which ones are good.


I enjoyed it, but I reckon it was inferior to the first one. I just felt that the first one did pretty much all the same stuff but better.

Author:  Trooper [ Mon Sep 10, 2018 18:13 ]
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Iron fist season 2 is out.

Anyone care?...anyone?

Didn't think so.

Author:  myp [ Mon Sep 10, 2018 18:18 ]
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Not seen the first one, or Defenders.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Sep 10, 2018 18:20 ]
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Heard so many negative things about the first season that I never even bothered trying it.

Author:  LewieP [ Mon Sep 10, 2018 19:09 ]
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I watched Iron First 2.

Better than the first. Fucking hilarious that they cast a shit actor who can't even do decent action to play him. In the new season he puts a mask or similar on for every fight scene, but I guess they hired a good stuntman to tag in for him now because the action gets measurably better.

Mostly a dull season, but there's a great twist at the end that's basically them admitting they fucked up the first season really badly, and sets up a somewhat more interesting third season.

Not really essential viewing. If you want to be caught up, watch the first two episodes and the last three. It drags in the middle of course.

Author:  markg [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:41 ]
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LewieP wrote:
I watched Iron First 2.

Mostly dull.

Yeah, I'll leave it.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 17:16 ]
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No movie related but Luke Cafe has been cancelled. Seems fair to me.

Author:  myp [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 17:56 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
No movie related but Luke Cafe has been cancelled. Seems fair to me.

So back in the real world it's a huge injustice.

I really enjoyed it. If Iron Fist gets a third season over this I'll scream.

Author:  Trooper [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 17:58 ]
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Iron fist has been cancelled too.

Author:  myp [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 17:59 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Iron fist has been cancelled too.

If Daredevil 3 has Elektra in it it's living on borrowed time too.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 18:31 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
No movie related but Luke Cafe has been cancelled. Seems fair to me.

So back in the real world it's a huge injustice.


It should have been more interesting then.

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