Be Excellent To Each Other

Sorry, I meant last post on the page you linked to.

Brolin looks like Thanos. And thus the circle is complete

Anyway, the whole MCU/Fox thing will soon be academic, and because the Deadpool movies are pretty much standalone in their own (sorta) continuity, they can be grandfathered in much easier than the rest of the X-Men stuff.

Yeah my guess is that Ryan Reynolds, and maybe the supporting cast will be carried over to the MCU, but all the other X-Men will be recast/rebooted.

The new cast was shown in Deadpool 2...

He had two sessions with Black Panther and I’m still only 1 hr 15 minutes into it. Namely because (a) it’s boring and (b) the CGI is just utter dogshit. It’s like they gave the CGI budget to infinity war and cobbled together a couple of Amiga 1200 and got the effects guys from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine to make this multimillion dollar film.

Babylon 5 effects were done on an Amiga. Not sure about DS9.

As it turns out, DS9 effects were by the guys that did B5's pilot episode, Foundation Imaging

Exactly what I totally, honestly, genuinely, 100% what I remembered as well. We’re like two geeks in Star Trek pod.

I’ve finally managed to watch Black Panther. It’s awful. A generic superhero movie that’s entirely predictable with a bland lead role devoid of any meaningful personality.

I don’t know why they pretend to kill off their lead characters when it’s obvious they’re going to come back especially when they’re back within 3 minutes of their “death”. There’s no consequences in these films: no one of interest actually dies, there’s no tension created when the hero dies because you know he’ll be back in a few minutes. Plus there’s no humour and/or interesting diaglogue and/or performances to offset the generic story. Well, Killmonger was alright-ish. And the action sequences, Jesus Christ, the action. It was without question the most janky looking rubbish I’ve seen in a while. The CGI was horrible, just horrible. It’s like the Marvel animators have never seen a human move. The final battle was filled with elastic people stretching all over the place with physics turned off as they went booiiiiing around the screen. The fight next to the train tracks should have been tense and exciting but nope I barely gave a shit as Killmonger is stabbed to death in a weak anticlimactic battle. And nanotechnology is such a terrible excuse for a suit that can appear and disappear at will. I hated Iron Man’s suit in Infinity War and it’s implementation is terrible here too. For a superhero film it’s just daft. I’m not sure why I feel so aggrieved about it either as these films have shrinking men, men that turn green, men that sprew lightning and women that...um...er...put their thighs around your neck and throw you over time and time again.

And the fact that Wakanda is this futuristic world hidden away didn’t sit right with me either since we’ve seen nothing of the sort in the previous films, but now there’s this massive futuristic city with flying saucers and hyper tech and blah blah. Actually didn’t Black Panther in Civil War have a normal helmet that he took off? I think so. But now he gets this crazy tech from a necklace just in time for his own film filmed exclusively on green screen.

Oh and sodding Bilbo Baggins as the FBI agent who shows up because... why was he there again? So I can watch him play a video game when there’s a massive battle going on outside that I could be watching instead? Thanks for that. I’m not saying that he’s a bad actor but he wasn’t suited to this stupid bit part that should have been cut out. We really didn’t need ‘murica getting involved for all sorts of reasons.

To conclude: Black Panther. It’s shit. I am now racist.

I have to agree with you. You are racist. I felt it was one of the weakest Marvel movies to date. Only probably the 2nd Thor movie was worse.

I get that it's an *important* movie, but man was it dull.

I generally disagree with most of that, but almost all of it is subjective.

Wakanda has always been the secretive supertech place though. Referenced in the Ultron movie where Andy Serkis first appeared and also in Civil War, where it was shown that they had fancy gadgets despite being outwardly backwards.

Him getting a new gadget is no different than Iron Man getting new suits each movie and Doctor Strange learning new and useful spells.

Agree about the ‘death’ though.

I had two problems with Black Panther: it starts really slow, and like every other character is more interesting than T'Challa.

See also: Captain America.

I would agree with you until the Winter Soldier. Since then he's been my favourite Avenger.

That's because you're a square.

He's only just stopped being a twat.

He questions authority, unlike the rest of you sheeple!

He's a goody two shoes!

Then he grew a beard.

Quite. Cap is the best.

I’m surprised that Team Iron Man people enjoyed Infinity Wars as I don’t recall them getting the correct paperwork to engage Thanos.

Keep up, they were broken in Spider-Man: Homecoming.

Doesn’t invalidate the point though. Instead of fighting Thanos, they should have been having a meeting to make sure they were all agreed and that there wouldn’t be unfortunate collateral damage.

There would have been much less damage and death if they'd just given Thanos what he wanted, seeing as he won anyway

Curio’s got a point. The Stark who was hand wringing about collateral damage in Civil War is nowhere to be seen in Infinity War. The first minions show up and he suits up and bang, it’s a scenery-trashing rumble in Manhattan again.

They did coincidentally land right next to him and Pepper. Not a lot of thinking time to be had

It's almost like character continuity in the MCU is a fucking mess, and character development and motivations change with the bloody sunrise.

You’re not wrong. Stark, in particular, has been poorly handled. I did enjoy how Winter Soldier sets Cap up for the role he plays in Civil War, though — distrustful of government authority that the First Avenger Cap would have accepted much more willingly.

Winter Soldier is ace.

Yeah, Cap is one of the more consistent (I'd say Thor and Loki are probably most consistent, but that's only really been since Ragnarok, and Infinity War tramples all over the end of Ragnarok to a degree)

Stark has wildly different personalities between "his" films and the Avengers films, it's really jarring. He actually goes through a pretty decent character arc between Iron Man 1, 2 and 3 - but each of the Avengers films between those basically undoes entire sections of it each time.

The thing about Stark is... He was the only one who saw the full Chitauri threat in Avengers. If you look at his decisions since then they're all based on the fact that he's the only one who sees the bigger picture. That's why he created Ultron, that's why he keeps on building the armour. That's why he wanted the Avengers to be fully above board, because you can't fight Earth's corner from the shadows.


And whoops here comes the invincible alien warlord, and everything's fucked, and Tony was right all along.

Hmmm. I agree Loki is consistent, but he also doesn’t change, so that’s easy enough to pull off. Cap actually has some modest character development in there. Still, it’s pretty weak tea that this is an MCU highlight.

I imagine part of it is that Marvel are scared of losing people who miss a film. Although I think that ship has sailed anyway.

Related: I really liked this piece (which I may have posted before) https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/m ... v-box-sets It’s central thesis is that Infinity War is a mess if considered as a film, but a really good finale episode of season three of the world’s most expensive-to-make box set.

Loki went from bad guy to good guy, I think saying he doesn't change is a bit much.

Then why did he spend a whole movie dedicated to saying you could only fight the invincible alien warlord if the UN first passed a resolution against him?

Iron Man 3 ends with Stark finally being free of his need to be in a suit. He acknowledges that he is Iron Man, not the suit. He has the shrapnel and whatever removed from his chest, and has all of his suits destroyed to prove to Pepper that he can be free of his obsession. Hell, a huge part of the film is him trying to get shit done without his suit, because he has no other option.

Then comes Ultron, and suddenly he's back in his suits and all of that character arc was destroyed within the first 5 minutes.

I get that he's PTSD'd up to the nines, but it's lazy writing IMO.

I thought Stark was suited up in Ultron, as they were running anti hydra missions. He created Ultron, so he could stop being an avenger, as the planet would be protected.

Yeah, the revelations in the Winter Soldier are enough to explain why Stark has suited up again in Ultron. It would have been nice for it to be mentioned in the film.

Yeah, but by this logic, by the time we get to Civil War, Stark should be dead set against signing the Sokovia Accords in the same way that Captain America is - the Government can clearly no longer be trusted, as evidenced by the Insight helicarriers in Winter Soldier.

His entire character is just a mess of continuity that I don't think can be explained "canonically". Watch Iron Man 1, 2 and 3 in succession and his character arc makes perfect sense. Stick the Avengers films in between, and possibly his other appearances in Captain America and Spider-Man, and suddenly he's flip-flopping around more than Theresa May at a Tory party conference

Almost up to date now. Doctor Strange was enjoyable, Ragnarok was decent but not as good as I'd been led to believe. Black Panther was excellent.

Yeah, but mostly Stark couldn't fight his way out out of a paper bag without the suits. What else was he going to do with Thanos? Sass him to death?


Also wtf marvel? Shit ending

Ant Man and The Wasp is out, is everybody going to be queuing up to watch it later? Anyone? At all?

I'll probably go see it at the cinema at some point, as I have some free vouchers left.

I'll probably go. Loved Ant Man and more Evangeline Lilly is always good.

I'll see it as soon as I have the time to take the kids to see it, so probably in a fortnight.

I'm hoping to get to it sometime this weekend. I really enjoyed the first one and might even be able to drag Mrs B given that it'll be pretty stand-alone and not require much back story.

She wears a tight leather catsuit in this one too. Unf.

I’m seeing it at the BFI IMAX tomorrow

I've seen it, it's great!

Some good moments, but overall Infinity War is a bit of a mess. Very much suffered from being half a story too.

Not MCU's finest hour after some really brilliant recent films. Disappointing.

You’re just a wrong un.

Anyhoo, I saw Ant-Man & the Wasp. It was entirely bleh.

I'll probably love it then!