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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:05 
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Some people think Cap 3 is an Avengers film, some people don't.

The people that don't haven't seen Cap 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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Having characters from the Avengers films in does not an Avengers film make. It's thematically different and pits them against each other, rather than together versus a common foe. A subtle but important difference.

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Having characters from the Avengers films in does not an Avengers film make. It's thematically different and pits them against each other, rather than together versus a common foe. A subtle but important difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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I have been won over by your powerfully persuasive argument. I am no match for your intellect.

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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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I don't agree with that reasoning. Both previous avengers movies had conflict within the avengers, both in terms of clashing perspectives, and fisticuffs. It's more pronounced (and not actually resolved by the end) in Civil War, but it's there in the Avengers movies too.


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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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I think if there's one thing we can all agree on it's that this is a very important distinction which must be settled one way or the other.


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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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Black Panther: pretty good, but takes too long to get going, and literally every other character is more interesting than the lead.


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GotGv2: not quite as good as the first film, but still a lot of fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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Black Panther:not a fan of a lot of the music.


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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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Anyone else think that Infinity War is going to... Suck?

There will be a bunch of fight scenes against generic-cgi-clone armies (a Marvel staple!) that will be worth watching, but I have this feeling it's going to be a mess.


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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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To be honest, I can’t see how they could possibly make a coherent film out of that many characters without everything in it being absurdly shallow or silly, or there being huge gaps in the plot and continuity weirdness. It is surely going to be underwhelming.

That said, I’m super excited for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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I'm sure it'll be fun and entertaining but yeah, the majority of the characters are going to get glorified bit parts at best (unless it's some five hour long saga, which it'll never be). The 'best' we can hope for is that they just run with this inevitability and pick a couple of characters to focus on just to give some consistency and coherency to the whole thing.


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Bamba wrote:
(unless it's some five hour long saga, which it'll never be)

It's in two parts for a reason.

(Money)

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Bamba wrote:
(unless it's some five hour long saga, which it'll never be)

It's in two parts for a reason.

(Money)


Strictly speaking it isn’t any more.

But it is.

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Black Panther was lots of fun. Did a great job with introducing multiple new and interesting characters, and had the best villain in ages (and also let Andy Serkis be a fantastic scenery-chewing second villain).

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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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Mr Serkis clearly had a lot of fun, and was a joy to watch.


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I really enjoyed BP. Nice to see a well thought out super hero film, that was not saving the galaxy

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I really enjoyed BP. Nice to see a well thought out super hero film, that was not saving the galaxy

Like every other recent superhero film beside Guardians of the Galaxy 2?

Edit: Nope, turns out that was just life on some planets.

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I thought the implication in GotG 2 was that
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Ego was going to turn every planet into his own image

which is pretty well "saving the galaxy" IMO.

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"Thousands" rather than all of them.

But okay, we'll count that.

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KovacsC wrote:
I really enjoyed BP. Nice to see a well thought out super hero film, that was not saving the galaxy

Like every other recent superhero film beside Guardians of the Galaxy 2?

Edit: Nope, turns out that was just life on some planets.


Ok, slight exaggeration.

I liked BP as it was smaller, the threat was more intimate.

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KovacsC wrote:
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KovacsC wrote:
I really enjoyed BP. Nice to see a well thought out super hero film, that was not saving the galaxy

Like every other recent superhero film beside Guardians of the Galaxy 2?

Edit: Nope, turns out that was just life on some planets.


Ok, slight exaggeration.

I liked BP as it was smaller, the threat was more intimate.


You make it sound like the movie is about syphillis?

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RE: Black Panther, I did sort of wonder why Killlmonger spent all that time working with Klaue only to up and murder him at the last minute. He could've killed him at pretty much any time and presented him to Wakanda as proof of his worthiness so why work with him for so long then turn round and kill him at that precise moment?


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"Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread"

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Noted and edited.


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 Post subject: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler thread: discuss all films
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RE: Black Panther, I did sort of wonder why Killlmonger spent all that time working with Klaue only to up and murder him at the last minute. He could've killed him at pretty much any time and presented him to Wakanda as proof of his worthiness so why work with him for so long then turn round and kill him at that precise moment?

I think the idea was that he needed T'Challa to fail to apprehend him to sow the seed of discontent amongst the Wakandans.

It was a bit hamfisted though.

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RE: Black Panther, I did sort of wonder why Killlmonger spent all that time working with Klaue only to up and murder him at the last minute. He could've killed him at pretty much any time and presented him to Wakanda as proof of his worthiness so why work with him for so long then turn round and kill him at that precise moment?

I think the idea was that he needed T'Challa to fail to apprehend him to sow the seed of discontent amongst the Wakandans.

It was a bit hamfisted though.


They all already considered it a massive failure of his father to not capture him; he'd have been better taking out Klaue much earlier and off challenging the old king over it.

ETA: And ultimately it was his position as royal family member that meant the challenge was allowed to go ahead so Klaue's death was arguably pointless.


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Bamba wrote:
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RE: Black Panther, I did sort of wonder why Killlmonger spent all that time working with Klaue only to up and murder him at the last minute. He could've killed him at pretty much any time and presented him to Wakanda as proof of his worthiness so why work with him for so long then turn round and kill him at that precise moment?

I think the idea was that he needed T'Challa to fail to apprehend him to sow the seed of discontent amongst the Wakandans.

It was a bit hamfisted though.


They all already considered it a massive failure of his father to not capture him; he'd have been better taking out Klaue much earlier and off challenging the old king over it.

ETA: And ultimately it was his position as royal family member that meant the challenge was allowed to go ahead so Klaue's death was arguably pointless.


Nah, the only way he could get the 'army' onside, with yer man and his rhinos, was to show himself to be better than T'Challa. So he needed T'Challa to fail and then to succeed himself. That got him as far as the throne room with support, rather than potentially it all blowing up before then.

He could feasibly have done it before T'Challa was King, but maybe the opportunity didn't present itself, or he was preparing.

He was a good antagonist though, given that a lot of what he said was spot on, and in the end the good guys agreed with him about their own failures.

My one, 'huh' moment was when the reinforcements turned up in the final battle... like, they're fighting in a massive open space (yes, rocks and mountains, but you've got sightlines for miles in each direction), where the fuck were they hiding?

Also, the line about vegetarians was laugh out loud funny. As was the one calling Martin Freeman a coloniser.

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