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Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:28 ]
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Much googling of the above subject has only resulted in shattered dreams and confusion.
I want an Thing that I can plug my ps4 optical, TV red and white things and mp3 player size headphone jack into. Amongst other things. I looked at pioneer shs100 (possibly) but can't figure out if that's the right thing or not. £100 to £150 price bracket 5.1 with small satellite speakers required as I already have hooks high up on the walls for these to hang on. Any thoughts or suggestions (relevant to the subject :p.) most welcome. Thks k bi.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:13 ]
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It would appear that the Pioneer S-HS100 only has a single 3.5mm (headphone) input. Which is a bit shit, but £99 isn't a lot of money, so you can't expect too much.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:21 ]
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I used to have a Pure Acoustics set that could do all that. Going back a bit now, mind
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:25 ]
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£100 - £150 seems like an "odd" price bracket, as far as the manufacturers are concerned. There's just hardly anything there for that price.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:33 ]
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I think I quite want something like this. The TV has optical audio out or some such and I think the ps4 does as well. Ideally, I want some wireless rechargeable bluetooth speakers on the walls and use something to send the sound from the tv, ps4 and cd player to them. And a subwoofer. For about a ton.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:39 ]
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If the TV has optical out then you don't need to plug the PS4's optical connection in as well.

To be clear - you want rechargeable surround sound speakers? Do you hate yourself?
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:50 ]
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It wasn't Pure Acoustics I had, it was Acoustic Solutions and I still have it. It has optical, co-ax and analogue. It wasn't half bad for the price. I'm pretty sure the company disappeared a few years back though. You might want to look into a low end AV receiver and get a set of speakers separately. Richer Sounds have a 5.0 set for the princely sum of £19.95!
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:51 ]
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Grim... wrote:
If the TV has optical out then you don't need to plug the PS4's optical connection in as well.

To be clear - you want rechargeable surround sound speakers? Do you hate yourself?


I dislike wiring but I suppose I could run a spur from a light fitting and make a step down transformer.

Good news on the inputs.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:04 ]
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Or you could run speaker cables to them and not have them be wireless.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:14 ]
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Or bury the wires in the plaster of the walls. You *may* have to redecorate, however.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:29 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Or you could run speaker cables to them and not have them be wireless.


I suppose if I have to run cables.....
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:30 ]
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For that budget, I'd try and pick up a second hand decent AV amp and speakers - it'll perform much better than anything new.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:30 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Or bury the wires in the plaster of the walls. You *may* have to redecorate, however.


You've met my wife, right? You know my standards are "paint is on walls, job done, off to the pub to avoid noxious fumes" and hers are a bit higher. Imagine that with plastering.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:54 ]
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MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Or bury the wires in the plaster of the walls. You *may* have to redecorate, however.


You've met my wife, right? You know my standards are "paint is on walls, job done, off to the pub to avoid noxious fumes" and hers are a bit higher. Imagine that with plastering.

But it's not really plastering. It's not much more than filling. You channel out the plaster to no more than about half an inch, if you're just running speaker cable.

Of course, fancy trunking that looks like skirting boards does exist too, but we don't care about that, do we boys?

Par example: http://www.d-line-it.co.uk/products/pro ... wire-cover
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:56 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Or bury the wires in the plaster of the walls. You *may* have to redecorate, however.


You've met my wife, right? You know my standards are "paint is on walls, job done, off to the pub to avoid noxious fumes" and hers are a bit higher. Imagine that with plastering.

But it's not really plastering. It's not much more than filling. You channel out the plaster to no more than about half an inch, if you're just running speaker cable.

Of course, fancy trunking that looks like skirting boards does exist too, but we don't care about that, do we boys?


I don't do delite. I can probably do "circular saw blade" width.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:57 ]
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MaliA wrote:
I don't do delite. I can probably do "circular saw blade" width.





;)
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:00 ]
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Stupid phone. How do I turn the word changing off?
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 13:17 ]
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Wasn't happy with the Pioneer I bought in May so changed it for a networked Yamaha receiver which I love (£230 from Richer Sounds I think) all sources in via HDMI (but has two optical) and out through HDMI to Telly. Nice having my iPhone as a wireless source for it.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 15:25 ]
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What does having it connected to the network do?
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 16:35 ]
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AirPlay and net radio for me. Nice when there's folk round and they want to play tunes from their phones.
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 16:39 ]
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Oh and if the kids get up before me and have Netflix on too loud I can turn it down from upstairs :)
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 19:15 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Wasn't happy with the Pioneer I bought in May so changed it for a networked Yamaha receiver which I love (£230 from Richer Sounds I think) all sources in via HDMI (but has two optical) and out through HDMI to Telly. Nice having my iPhone as a wireless source for it.

So is this a Thing or a Thing with Speakers? I might be tempted into a higher price bracket if sufficiently cajoled.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 19:26 ]
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It's a Thing.
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 19:41 ]
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
For that budget, I'd try and pick up a second hand decent AV amp and speakers - it'll perform much better than anything new.

AV amp may have been the thing I should have been looking for without knowing. I'll look again...
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 19:47 ]
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Grim... wrote:
It's a Thing.

Ah, no squeakers. If i used my existing 30squid squeakers would that be a bad idea?
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 19:56 ]
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I don't know where you are, but this is a bargain if you can collect
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mission-5-1-s ... SwAYtWI~cQ

And this would also probably do you nicely - they will post this one.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-HTR-30 ... Swo0JWGSS9
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 20:08 ]
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Any speakers will work. Ideally you want two larger ones for front left and right and three smaller ones for centre and rear left and right. Much better still with a powered sub but that can be added later.

Oh yeah, my Yamaha (RX -V477) comes with a mic that you place where you'd normally sit and it sets all the speaker levels for you. Nice.
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 20:10 ]
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Zoidbergs bargains are bargains. If they don't ramp up too much!
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 20:25 ]
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Another nice receiver to keep your eye on: http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/221926754940
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 20:36 ]
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Oooh, good spot
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 21:09 ]
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Awesome got those on watch, particularly liking the Yamaha. Grim... Regards Your suggestion earlier that I should run sound through the telly; I don't want to because my old LG telly has a horrible delay through its speakers and through its outputs.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 21:16 ]
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The Mission speakers are probably a lot better than the amp they are being sold with. The Yamaha is probably the other way round.

There's a lot of used AV bargains out there as people have been upgrading to HDMI switching amps.
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 21:23 ]
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They are very sexy but too far away, I live in rural Scotland :'( but also :D because it's pretty here. Always a trade off...
Author:  Cras [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 21:26 ]
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Sonos all the things.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 22:53 ]
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Sonos surround is about £1100 all in, isn't it?
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 22:54 ]
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Could I bluetooth 5.1 from the tv through a soundbar?
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 23:08 ]
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Does your TV do Bluetooth out?

If so, this might be a good shout: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00J6F3I5E
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 23:17 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Does your TV do Bluetooth out?

If so, this might be a good shout: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00J6F3I5E


I don't think so. It has HD optical out I will look to tomorrow and see what the boss says
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Oct 30, 2015 23:31 ]
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You never know, I guess.

You might be able to get an adaptor for it if it doesn't.
Author:  krazywookie [ Sat Oct 31, 2015 18:38 ]
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Going for the Yamaha setup tommorow when it finishes, none of you others bid on it k?
Author:  TheVision [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 18:28 ]
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Grim... wrote:
If the TV has optical out then you don't need to plug the PS4's optical connection in as well.



This quote has had me thinking.

I currently have a surround sound receiver/speaker set up. At the moment my Xbox has an optical out which is plugged into the amp. All my other consoles go through my TV speakers but... Does Grims comment suggest that I can take the optical out of my TV into my amp and still get surround sound? My Xbox is connected via HDMI.
Author:  DavPaz [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 18:44 ]
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If your TV has an optical out, it very likely will pass at least stereo pcm through to the amp from an analogue source. Why not try? Pump hdmi audio from your xbox through the TV, optical out to the amp and see what occurs. Then try a scart or similar
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 18:46 ]
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That how my setup works; everything's HDMI'd into the TV then a single optical out to the surround sound system. It works fine and I like it for it's simplicity.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 18:53 ]
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Both of mine are done the same - the TV is essentially a large monitor with just a single HDMI input in use.
All the sources go into the amplifier, typically by HDMI, and that handles all the source switching and sound.
Author:  Zardoz [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 19:41 ]
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Don't forget to budget at least £1,000 for cables.
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 20:29 ]
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If your TV has HDMI out, that's better quality than optical.

But optical can do surround sound fine.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 21:01 ]
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Grim... wrote:
If your TV has HDMI out, that's better quality than optical. But optical can do surround sound fine.
Not entirely. It can do DVD-era surround sound codecs like Dolby Digital, but not various higher quality codecs found on BluRays like DTS-HD. It doesn't have sufficient bitrate.

Also, if you do BluRay->HDMI->TV->optical->speakers, many TVs will only output stereo because everything is terrible.
Author:  krazywookie [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 22:23 ]
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Yeah I don't trust my telly to output anything approaching good in terms of sound. I'll be using the cables that are already run as I can't be arsed replacing them. Do cables make any sort of difference at sensible volumes or is this a "gold plated HDMI" type question?
Author:  DavPaz [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 22:25 ]
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At consumer level, cables are cables
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Nov 01, 2015 22:43 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
At consumer level, cables are cables

The very cheapest no-name HDMI cables can sometimes have too much crosstalk to support higher bitrate, even at modest cable lengths of 2m or so. However this only becomes an issue above 1080p@30 fps, eg. with 3d, 4K, or 60+ fps computer output. These are relatively rare.
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