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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:11 
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I might go this week, maybe, if it reviews well. I wonder when the first critic reviews will start appearing?



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Still can't be arsed. I might wait till it's on Netflix.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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On the topic of ROTJ-YAY-or-NAY...

Stuff Jedi does have:

Still probably the best space battle in the history of the medium. I'd rate 'em:

1: Return of the Jedi
2: Babylon 5: Severed Dreams
3: A New Hope
4: BSG pilot battle.
5: Klendathu (Which we can ill afford.)

It also has a couple of very fun and memorable supporting characters: Admiral Ackbar, Jabba. Plus the evil Emperor is an evil hoot of a coot. It clips along at a major fast speed, too and the sturm und drang of the final act is great. Plus it's got even more of that Star Was ship design we all love, B-Wings and A-Wings, Calamari cruisers go go go! And Lando gets to kick ass too.

"Redirect all defensive firepower, I want nothing to get through! - I said redirect all defensive firepower!"

"TOO LATE!"

Awesome.

Luke's sinister hair. I wouldn't fight that haircut even if I was Vader. He's like Anton Chirguh or some fucking thing.

Music's still awesome, in fact amongst the best.

The Emperor plays steel-drums.

Bad things:

Ewoks. Wouldn't be monstrously terrible if it weren't for the fact that they were clearly designed as baby wookies before dollar signs lighted in Lucas's eyes and he did a redraft. C'mon, how much more sense would it have made if it was the Wookie planet they orbited, if they went back with Chewbacca (probably Worf style outcast) and had to win 'em back over with dramatic MUERGH-RAGH-WAAA speech, before probably a one on one leadership fight between Chewie and the imperial stooge of a Wookie leader that the bad-niks have put in charge to oversea their Death-Star construction-mines labour camps? Then go-go rebellion fight against an entire legion of the emperor's best stormtroopers! MAKES WAY MORE SENSE. I guess we did get Warwick Davies out of it though, so at least there's that.

Han getting little to do. He has an idea, whilst seemingly pointing the audience in fourth-wall break-a-fun - that's about it. Oh well.

Leia being reduced to little more than fan-service. Carrie Fisher still manages to sell it though. But the entire film pretty much gives up on the cool romance of the second film.

The rebellion conducting a stealth mission in jungle gear yet bringing along a loud, talkative, camp robot who waves his arms around perpetually and is bright gold. Why exactly is C-3PO on that mission again? Don't you have, y'know, some military-spec etiquette droids? And the plan didn't even seem to be to hook up with the ewoks. Why is he even there?

Everything to do with the Lucas re-jig of the ghosts at the end and the stupid party on Coruscant montage.

Feeling sorry for poor old Richard Marquand with Lucas breathing over his shoulder every shot.

Overall, good outweighs the bad. It's memorable, you have to give it that. Three and a half out of five, easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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NervousPete wrote:
Still probably the best space battle in the history of the medium. I'd rate 'em:

1: Return of the Jedi
2: Babylon 5: Severed Dreams
3: A New Hope
4: BSG pilot battle.
5: Klendathu (Which we can ill afford.)


You sir, are a man of taste and discretion, especially for the B5 selection.
This could and probably should be it's own thread, but I'd also add in a few more fine choices
B5: Shadow Dancing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAsk3ay3e98
The Galactica jumping into the Atmosphere of New Caprica - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toc-TdUu7mg
The Battle of Wolf 359 because they only showed the aftermath which gave me goose bumps.


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I've watched a few ”Jar Jar was supposed to be a sith" videos and you know what? I'm convinced. If there hadn't been a huge backlash against him after Ep1, Jar Jar was going to "be" Count Dooku. Imagine that!

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Dr Zoidbeard wrote:
NervousPete wrote:
Still probably the best space battle in the history of the medium. I'd rate 'em:

1: Return of the Jedi
2: Babylon 5: Severed Dreams
3: A New Hope
4: BSG pilot battle.
5: Klendathu (Which we can ill afford.)


You sir, are a man of taste and discretion, especially for the B5 selection.
This could and probably should be it's own thread, but I'd also add in a few more fine choices
B5: Shadow Dancing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAsk3ay3e98
The Galactica jumping into the Atmosphere of New Caprica - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toc-TdUu7mg
The Battle of Wolf 359 because they only showed the aftermath which gave me goose bumps.


I'm now officially hijacking this thread to nerd out about the Babylon 5 space battles. Say what you will about the show, it really knew how to craft a great big battle. A lot of it was in the epic slow burn build up with skirmishes and intriguing before escalating to full out war, and when they took the gloves off, it was amazing. I remember first being impressed by the Hyperion and Babylon 5 versus random bunch-of-assholes aliens trying to lay claim to the planet the station was orbiting. You got to see interceptor fire taking out incoming plasma bolts! Point defence systems! Then there was the slice-and-dice one-hit-kill energy beam that we came to know and love with the shadows. In Season 1 we got raider skirmishes, a chilling presidential assassination, but it was in season 2 where we finally got to see some awesome. The Coming of Shadows attack on the narn colony. The narn further getting whaled on by the shadow fleet and then that amazing shot of Molari's haunted reflection as the Centauri ships use mass drivers on the narn homeworld. Then sweet revenge in the season finale as the station takes down a Centauri battleship. (And how I loved that continuing sense of, "Wow, they're really pulling the triggers on this," as the Centauri let loose a volley at the station.) Season 3 came along and there were those two glorious aforementioned fights which were pretty much perfect.

You see, it really got pacing right. You always knew what was going on. The ship design was beyond cool. You had all these different classes of ships that did stuff. Fighters taking down escorts, escorts using AA fire to intercept bombers. Cruisers harrasing battleships, battleships slugging it out with boomy bam-bam-bam weapons. (Sound effects were top notch too, when you hear the Earth army open fire on the Senate off screen you can really imagine that a tank had just launched a volley of quick-fire plasma bolts at the building, smashing in walls.) In fact, Bablyon 5 weapons always looked cool firing. The Vree had that machine gun rain-of-lasers style thing that chewed up fighters. The Earth ships used a sort of semi-auto carbine type firing and for old and powerful races, beams - all the way. Yup, I'd rate the shows battles over the Star Wars prequels, which are just nonsensical busy-work.

Unfortunately there was a dip in quality in the battles from season 4 onward. Although there were tons more ships per scene the battles weren't as well constructed, and the new ship design was pretty terrible. Fortunately there was enough of the old around to still make everything look splendid. But happily Season 4 did still have the awesome Proxima III battle, which was a mix of trying to persuade over loyalist Earth destroyers to the rebel side, and then having a real knock-down slug-fest over the ones who didn't.

Also, Sheridan's solution to everything is: "How about if we nuke them?" which is cute.

FTW Zoidberg, New Caprica was almost in there instead of Klendathu. I thought about Shadow Dancing, but it doesn't go on for long enough - it leaves you really wanting more.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Damnitt, I forgot the Wrath of Khan nebula battle!

Um, okay:

ROTJ
Severed Dreams
Wrath of Khan Nebula Battle
A New Hope
BSG Pilot Battle

Er, anyway. Back to regular programming.

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Plenty, but the battle scenes don't stick in the memory quite as much. Ok, apart from the one in the pilot. And McQueen vs Chiggy Von Richtoven. And Ray Butts.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Looks like it's definitely not shit then...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wa ... e_awakens/


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Looks like it's definitely not shit then...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wa ... e_awakens/

I hope so - but episode 1 had really good reviews when it first came out, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Looks like it's definitely not shit then...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wa ... e_awakens/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wa ... ce/review/

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Yet The Phantom Menace is probably one of the most deliriously inventive films to have appeared in years: it displays all of George Lucas's uncommon magic, a wide-eyed genius for adventure narrative that is beyond any ordinary capacity for wonder, and in many respects the latest episode proves itself to be a more finished movie than any of the others. It is daring and beautiful, terrifying and pompous – and that's just the title sequence.

...

Jar-Jar Binks is the new star. A wise-cracking, pony-headed, flarey-nostrilled, slack-mouthed beast with giant feet and hands like shovels, he comes into our lives as someone who knows the ways of the universe a little better than the rest of us.

He raps like a Jamaican gangster and walks like one of the Kids from Fame: he is already limbering up, in his computer-generated way, to be a long-serving Jedi chum in the manner of the howling, hairy Chewbacca. Jar-Jar is pretty useless as a mate: he can't fix stuff, and he's always getting into bother, but he lends a load of schlepping good humour to the average task of the young Jedi. He will soon be as loved as Winnie the Pooh.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
BertyBasset wrote:
Looks like it's definitely not shit then...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wa ... e_awakens/

I hope so - but episode 1 had really good reviews when it first came out, too.

I think it's fair to say that it had a more mixed reception than this one seems to be getting.


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Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
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Looks like it's definitely not shit then...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wa ... e_awakens/

I hope so - but episode 1 had really good reviews when it first came out, too.

I think it's fair to say that it had a more mixed reception than this one seems to be getting.

I think you'd be wrong. It was overwhelmingly positive for quite some time.

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A friend of mine is going to the premiere, which I think is tomorrow night. She is Daisy Ridley's godmother. I'll look out for her on the red carpet coverage, just to laugh at the stupidly expensive skirt she bought just for the premiere. And by stupidly expensive, I think £1200 fits that criteria...

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Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
markg wrote:
Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
BertyBasset wrote:
Looks like it's definitely not shit then...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wa ... e_awakens/

I hope so - but episode 1 had really good reviews when it first came out, too.

I think it's fair to say that it had a more mixed reception than this one seems to be getting.

I think you'd be wrong. It was overwhelmingly positive for quite some time.

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She is Daisy Ridley's godmother.

Ridley cropped up in a bit-part in the episode of Toast of London I watched last night. I only recognised her from her name in the credits. Funny to think that was only a couple of years ago and she'll likely be a megastar now.


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No no no no no, Grim..., you can't just drop something quite that insane and have it taken on trust. [citation needed] there.

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No no no no no, Grim..., you can't just drop something quite that insane and have it taken on trust. [citation needed] there.

Well... I was there.

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So was I. Did you read every newspaper and online review at the time? I remember the reviews being fairly mixed, myself. Admittedly I was on some very strong painkillers.

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I'm not a fan of the avalanche of lame viral content around this movie but that video is rather lovely.

Also I didn't realise / had forgotten that Brienne is in this.


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Also I didn't realise / had forgotten that Brienne is in this.

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She is Daisy Ridley's godmother.

Ridley cropped up in a bit-part in the episode of Toast of London I watched last night. I only recognised her from her name in the credits. Funny to think that was only a couple of years ago and she'll likely be a megastar now.

Yes, I've heard that her life has already altered beyond recognition. I suspect that's only going to get worse, as well. Still, she's apparently got her head screwed on the right way, even if she is very young.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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There were lots of tickets for the premiere still available the other day at my local cinema, guess they are showing it on every screen?

Planning to go and see it on the 28th December @ 12.30. That way I can do stuff with my son in the morning which as am off work isn't negotiable :) then nip out once he goes for a nap.

Will be on my own as my wife has zero interest in Star Wars. So that's a £10 saving in pick and mix :p


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I'm going to the 6pm showing tonight with the kids, and their mates and their mates' parents... Will definitely be going back again sans small people.

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From my friends who are keeners and saw it at the midnight screenings, it's a pretty even split between 'awesome' and 'nice nostalgia, where's the story?'


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I really enjoyed it. It is setting up more films.

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It is?! You mean there will be more of them?!

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I couldn't believe it when Princess Leia revealed to [insert name of new main character here] that she was his/her father.

Or when Yoda revealed that he'd been dead the entire film.

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Go create a "The Force Awakens: Spoiler-riddled Thread For People Who Have Seen It" thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Verdict: it was decent. Felt weirdly more like a remake of sorts than a sequel because it not only captured the spirit of the originals pretty well but hit so many of the same beats. Calling parts of it a homage would be generous.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 17:00 
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So, just a film then?


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 17:06 
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Santanalian wrote:
So, just a film then?


Shocking innit?


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 17:19 
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I liked it. Saying more than that might be spoiler/hype tastic. But I agree with Bamba and Kovacs.


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