Windows 10

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38457

The Xbox app refuses to use the dd/mm/yy date format.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

DavPaz wrote:

The Xbox app refuses to use the dd/mm/yy date format.

The sorting hat foretold this

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:54

No, Windows 10, I'm not going to install the 'language typing features' (whatever they are). Stop nagging me about it.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 13:03

It's rather nice, this. The little icons might take some getting used to, though.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Grim... wrote:

It's rather nice, this. The little icons might take some getting used to, though.

I adjusted to it pretty quickly and now the taskbar icons on my work machine look huge. I've actually only got two issues with Win10 now and apart from these I'm liking it:

It doesn't seem to handle switching between audio outputs at all well. Whenever I move between my monitor and TV I need to manually switch the 'default' audio device which is something Win7 handles seamlessly. In fact fairly often when I switch to the TV it won't recognise it as having audio playback capabilities at all and I need to reboot the PC to even get the option, which is fucking annoying.
The search fails in some weird ways. It'll turn up most of my apps but, for example, if I type 'Steam' it doesn't find the application and I need to go digging around in the All Apps list. Not sure what's going on there.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 14:57

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It's rather nice, this. The little icons might take some getting used to, though.

I adjusted to it pretty quickly and now the taskbar icons on my work machine look huge. I've actually only got two issues with Win10 now and apart from these I'm liking it:

It doesn't seem to handle switching between audio outputs at all well. Whenever I move between my monitor and TV I need to manually switch the 'default' audio device which is something Win7 handles seamlessly. In fact fairly often when I switch to the TV it won't recognise it as having audio playback capabilities at all and I need to reboot the PC to even get the option, which is fucking annoying.
The search fails in some weird ways. It'll turn up most of my apps but, for example, if I type 'Steam' it doesn't find the application and I need to go digging around in the All Apps list. Not sure what's going on there.

Yeah, I had that first one I think. I had connected via HDMI to a TV, and the output was more than happy to come out of the TV, then I unplugged from there, and then plugged into a monitor via HDMI, but the monitor did not have speakers. Despite that, the audio was still routed though "speakers on Panasonic TV" or some-such. And I had to change it to the laptop's in built speakers.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

I think Audio is a consistent bug with driver compatability. Doesn't particularly bother me as I tend to only use Audio in conjunction with my Bluetooth speakers which work fine, but on a couple of occasions where I've inadvertently had Bluetooth off but sound on, the Surface wasn't happy.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Bamba wrote:

The search fails in some weird ways. It'll turn up most of my apps but, for example, if I type 'Steam' it doesn't find the application and I need to go digging around in the All Apps list. Not sure what's going on there.

This is a quote from the Ars article I linked on the first page. Maybe that's what bit you?

Ars Technica wrote:

Windows creates a per-user database containing all the entries that are in Start, both the live tile portion and the All apps portion. This database is (inexplicably) maintained by a system service running as the super-privileged SYSTEM identity. And at the time of writing, this database has the oh-so convenient feature of being limited to around 500 entries.

On fresh Windows 10 installs you'll probably never notice the difference, since it'll take some time to build up 500 or so entries. On my main PC with a full install of Office 2016, the Adobe Creative Cloud suite, Visual Studio 2015, Visual Studio 2013, and many more applications besides, I blew right past this number. The result? The All apps view didn't show all my programs. This would be tolerable if that's all that happened. Stupid and annoying, but tolerable, because since Windows Vista, I've launched apps from Start in exactly one way: by typing the name of the app to search for it. I don't really care about All apps at all.

Except that searching breaks, too. For search-to-start apps, Windows appears to use the same database. If that database is incomplete (because you have too many entries) then too bad, so sad; it won't find your apps and you'll have no good way of launching them.

Better yet, even if you reduce the number of apps to below 500 or so, it doesn't fix anything. There's no easy way to make it re-read all the short cuts in the Start menu directory (that still exists, because it's where installers expect to put their icons) to regenerate the database.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Nah, shouldn't be, I've got a pretty bare bones installation. Aside from the default stuff I've really just got the usual extra app (Firefox, Avast, Office, etc) plus Steam with about ten games installed. There's no way I'm anywhere near 500 apps.

TheVision · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 18:11

I'm the same and I think I had trouble finding Steam. Nothing else has cause me problems though so maybe it's just steam?

Either way, for the amount I use it... I can cope.

TheVision · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 19:31

I've just been looking at the maps app and specifically, the 3D cities. Wow! That's pretty cool!

I've just been flying around Las Vegas LIKE I AM THERE! Great stuff.

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:04

So how long after installing Windows 10 do you think I should leave before deleting the Windows.old folder?

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:18

TheVision wrote:

So how long after installing Windows 10 do you think I should leave before deleting the Windows.old folder?

Good call, doing mine now. 19gb.

TheVision · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:30

I'm having trouble deleting my Windows.old folder. I've got passed the Trusted installer rubbish but it keeps saying that I need administrator permission to delete the folders, when I am the administrator!

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Technically you're an administrator. NTAuthority\System is the administrator. This information helps you not at all.

TheVision · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:55

You're correct... It doesn't!

Never mind as I'm now using the disk clean up programme... Sorry, app. It seems to be doing the job so far and is looking to save me 20 odd gig.

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:56

TheVision wrote:

You're correct... It doesn't!

Never mind as I'm now using the disk clean up programme... Sorry, app. It seems to be doing the job so far and is looking to save me 20 odd gig.

Sorry for the late reply. Yeah, that's how I had to do it also..

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

So I went and did it. I can't quite believe that the only thing I had to reinstall were the NVidia drivers. Everything else seems to be exactly as it was, even the games installed via Steam and all other drivers.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Achilles wrote:

When do the subscriptions for updates to Windows 10 kick in?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... high-cost/

That was written almost 3 and a half months ago... when did Microsoft announce the successor called "Windows"? From everything I've seen, 10 is the last version of Windows - period. With updates from now on akin to OSX updates, and you'll only have to pay for it anything when you get a new PC.

[Edit] I've had a quick look around, and I can find only a few things mentioning the "Windows" successor, and paid subscription (here, and here) both of which mention that Forbes article as their source. And as far as I can see, that Forbes article doesn't really have any sources of its own, therefore I am reluctant to believe it.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Of course there's an ulterior motive. Windows market penetration means Microsoft software sales. That doesn't in any way mean they'll start charging a subscription for Windows.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Fuck me, that forbes article is terrible.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:16

Cras wrote:

Fuck me, that forbes article is terrible.

BUT ACHILLES POSTED A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ABOUT A PHRASE THAT LITERALLY EVERY ADULT HAS HEARD A THOUSAND TIMES!

Stop what you were doing and pay attention to his banality!

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38457

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/16/82278 ... akes-money

Here's a better link with EVIL MICROSOFT being OPEN AND HONEST about how they want you to USE THEIR PRODUCTS and maybe even PAY FOR A PROFESSIONAL POLISHED SERVICE. The bastards

TheVision · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:48

So let me get this straight. Someone thinks that Microsoft is going to start charging for an operating system... Much like all the other operating systems that they've ever released.

The bastards..

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

I installed on a HP tablet that's getting on a bit now (2740p)

Have to say its better than I thought, right or left click on start do different things, one gives you old style PC settings the other the metro type stuff.

Integration is better as well, I have a MS Account for Xbox, Skype and One Drive, once logged in with this account all my settings come back. I like that once signed in the native photo app goes to my OneDrive Pictures and shows me those

A while before its on the primary PC though, next steps are to understand just what MS are getting in terms of data from me

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38457

I've finished decorating the man cave home office and got my main PC back in action, so I've been able to spend some time with Windows 10. I really like it. It's like Windows 7 R2. I especially like the speed graph on network transfers :geek:

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

DavPaz wrote:

I especially like the speed graph on network transfers :geek:

Server 2012 has been doing that for ages!

I'm sure Windows 10 is a very good OS, I just don't trust it with all my emulators yet. Although I was round a mate's house at lunch today doing a MAME tutorial, and that was all peachy on Windows 10, so that's one less thing to worry about. (He's a ZOMG FREE THINGS upgrade tart whereas I'm a slow and steady sort of chap who won't be swayed by the flashing lights.)

Based on my encounter today though, I agree with the 'Windows 7 R2' sentiment, it's not like booting up into Windows 8 for the first time and wanting to die.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Has Achilles or whatever the fudge his name was really actually spent the time to go through all his posts and empty the contents? What an utter twat badger.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

I've bought a larger SSD so will do an fresh install in the next week child free time permitting

If I don't like it I can just stick the old SSD back in and go back to Windows 7

KovacsC · **Posted:** Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:42

Had to roll back as problems with my graphics card being unsupported.

Will get a new card at some point

What is a good budget card?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

KovacsC wrote:

Had to roll back as problems with my graphics card being unsupported.

Will get a new card at some point

What is a good budget card?

Do you want it to be able to play any games or literally just output a video signal?

If it's the latter then the cheapest card that's got the video outputs you need. (That's supported by Windows 10, obv.)

If it's the former then the GeForce 750Ti comes in at (just) under £100, doesn't need any extra power connectors, and is reckoned to have about as much grunt as the GPU in the PS4.

If you can spend a bit more than that there are better options.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:46

Windows 10 is still behaving very well for me. I like it.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:24

Hearthly wrote:

KovacsC wrote:

Had to roll back as problems with my graphics card being unsupported.

Will get a new card at some point

What is a good budget card?

Do you want it to be able to play any games or literally just output a video signal?

If it's the latter then the cheapest card that's got the video outputs you need. (That's supported by Windows 10, obv.)

If it's the former then the GeForce 750Ti comes in at (just) under £100, doesn't need any extra power connectors, and is reckoned to have about as much grunt as the GPU in the PS4.

If you can spend a bit more than that there are better options.

I can use the onboard if necessary. I will find out what I MB I have

It works fine on my laptop.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

I still have issues with privacy and Windows 10

This is from their privacy policy

"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."

This is completely out of order, they have no business looking at your email and or files

Might be worth installing this if you have concerns

http://pxc-coding.com/de/portfolio/donotspy10/

KovacsC · **Posted:** Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:48

asfish wrote:

I still have issues with privacy and Windows 10

This is from their privacy policy

"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."

This is completely out of order, they have no business looking at your email and or files

Might be worth installing this if you have concerns

http://pxc-coding.com/de/portfolio/donotspy10/

Isn't that done anyway. With any email provider?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

KovacsC wrote:

Isn't that done anyway. With any email provider?

Not down to the level of poking around your hard drive, or by the sounds of it any other drive attached/mapped to the PC.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

asfish wrote:

I still have issues with privacy and Windows 10

This is from their privacy policy

"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."

This is completely out of order, they have no business looking at your email and or files

Might be worth installing this if you have concerns

http://pxc-coding.com/de/portfolio/donotspy10/

What does that even mean? " when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers"

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:56

"When we feel like it"

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

I can forsee a situation where some kind of all-encompassing DRM is fused in at an OS level.

In the same way that PS4s already refuse to play Cinavia protected content, for example.

It'll be like that, but for everything that's dodgy. All they need to do is give Windows 10 away for free to everyone first.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38457

Surely Microsoft using the word customer applies to Sony, Viacom and lots of other copyright holders.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Finally decided to replace my PC so went to Windows 10.

Did the main build, drivers and apps at work then took the new one home tonight.

I needed to take out the SB X-Fi out of my old PC as well as a couple of drives.

Once I did this I put the W10 Machine on my network and turned it on

Was impressed to see it found drivers for my SB as this is always a pain to install and it also just detected my network printer ( a current Epsom home all in one) and set that up.

Did have some issues with the sound which I fixed by removing the device, also IE was crashing every time I tried to delete some folders in my favourites bar (that were put in by the OS) so had to get rid of these in folder\file view.

Over all its OK, still feel its a little buggy in areas though.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

If you really want to use an MS browser at all why bother with IE when you could use Edge?

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Bamba wrote:

If you really want to use an MS browser at all why bother with IE when you could use Edge?

Edge is shit really, no Java support at all so all the admin pages for my NAS don't work. No doubt lost of other sites with Java won't work either

Use IE 11 at work and its find so kept to that.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Sep 17, 2015 22:17

That's the best kind of Java support.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

More buggy fun, part way through extracting a film to my NAS, Windows 10 just drops the network for no good reason

Not the fist time hardware has just vanished, my sound card earlier on tonight as well as a USB drive. This is just since 5pm as well!

So after having to reboot as Windows still can't fucking deal with the slightest bit of file I\O without falling over I end up with some messed up copy of the film on my NAS, which yes you've guessed fucks explorer up if I even try to touch it.

So NAS reboot and we are good to go

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Edge is buggy. It also doesn't have any right click short cuts in the task bar (like open a private window). No RSS support either.

The mail client is also so buggy I prefer to visit my hotmail account via browser.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

There are some improvements in some of the apps. The photo one is good (if you use Ondrive) as it gives you a view and editing of all your pictures without the need to log in (need to log into the OS with MS account for this to work)

I don't sync mine to the Onedrive folder as there is 60GB of them, not worked out how you save a picture out of the app yet!

Also noted that the media app will play MKV, wasn't long before I had files that wouldn't do sound so back to VLC for now.

Had a play on the solitaire app, the logging in with my Xbox Live account was very slow.

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