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I'm getting clipping issues, and I can't work out why - is yours a similar problem?

Just.... Why?....

This genuinely isn't Schadenfreude or suchlike, I'm simply mystified as to why anyone would take a perfectly good computer and risk bollocksing it up with a brand new operating system that is inevitably going to have a fair amount of stuff wrong with it and not quite working properly.

(I see it a bit like firmware updates for your motherboard, unless it's fixing a problem you're experiencing, just leave it alone.)

It's not even like you have to get in early doors, the free upgrade offer is good for TWELVE MONTHS, why not just at least wait six of them for them to sort all the worst of the problems and the glitches and the bugs?

The one thing that I'm interested in (DirectX 12) may well show impressive gains in synthetic benchmarks in the here and now, but until it's making a difference to a game I want to play, even that won't get me to switch.

Good for you. Some of us like playing with new shiny stuff.

Anyway, once I've got my Windows 10 disk image and do a clean install, what license key do I use? Will it activate with my Windows 7 key? That seems unlikely, but it's not like you're ever given a new one for Windows 10.

That's what I was wondering - your key is replaced by a "generic" upgrade key. I read somewhere that if you want to do a clean install, you have to first upgrade, activate, THEN do the clean install. So I'd assume you use the Win7 key, and when activating Microsoft will see "Oh, he's already gotten the upgrade, so the key's valid for use in 10." and then they'll replace it with the generic one.

My job is techy, I'm paid to play with shiny new stuff, it's literally my job.

But you know where I do that? In development environments, not production environments. The development environments I don't care about, I can nuke them at will and try again if something goes wrong, once I'm happy something works in dev I'll move it over to live.

I consider my home PC to be a 'production environment', I just want to turn the thing on every day and for it work consistently and dependably, so that I can play games or email/internet/Facebook/whatever, or look at all the best pictures I've ever taken of my cock - it doesn't matter what the task is, I just want my PC to turn on and and obey.

So yes, by all means, if you've got a second PC to muck about with or an old laptop or something, go nuts with finishing Microsoft's beta test of Windows 10 - but if you're applying the 'probably going to break something' update to your main PC, I really do have to wonder why. Unless that thing where you talk to it was a feature you simply couldn't wait for.

This is going to be one of those times where you just say the same thing over and over again with slightly different phrasing. I suggest we skip straight to the part where we agree to disagree and both move on with our lives. Regardless of how you personally feel about this some of us are happy to give it a shot for the sake of checking it out. That's just what's happening; let it go.

Doing some more Googling I came across an article that said the licensing is handled by logging a profile of your machine with Microsoft when you initially do the upgrade and any future installs are activated based on that so it should just work (unless you swap out loads of hardware). I'm going to download an ISO tomorrow then try a fresh install with it on my SSD so I suppose we'll see how it goes.

My pooter (in fact, both of pooties) hasn't asked me to upgrade yet. It's like it knows.

Did you actually tell it you wanted to?

Yup. I've got that windows icon which brings up the box that says "Ok, tell me when it's ready" or words to that effect.

Nope. Afraid not. My PC wasn't recognising my mic in Audacity so I reinstalled the drivers and it seems to be working now.

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Jesus christ you maniacs, have you never heard of live and let live? I'm so happy that you're happy, but chill your boots, m'kay?

Since you've gone for the plural there I'll have to assume I'm being labelled a 'maniac' for exercising and advising caution in jumping knee deep into a brand new operating system on your main PC/laptop?

Hng

What does it matter? If everyone else fucks their shit, your pc is still fine. We're all adults with robust backups, right guys?

Right, guys?

Right on.

*weeps*

It's just Hearthly I wouldn't worry about it. When a Aspie doesn't like something it's incredibly difficult to contain oneself and you inevitably end up offending people.

The answer is Pregabalin

It doesn't work in gaming with my DAC running it USB. If I switch back to my sound card it's fine. It doesn't matter to me because I've just ordered the kit to make up good RCA cables so will be using the DAC in LINE mode as Dave recommended.

Ed. Other things !

Since changing my DNS to Google's server the issues I was having in Edge, Chrome (not tried since) and any browser other than Firefox have evaporated, leading me to believe there's an issue at PlusNet's end.. That has nothing to do with 10 though but obviously with tabs broken on Firefox I am forced to use Edge. I don't mind it and it matches the colour scheme for 10 that I chose (dark) but there is no Adblock for it at the time of me writing this (will check again in a minute).

So this is all fully working so far as tested apart from my USB DAC which stutters in GTAV and leads to being mute in game and inevitably crashes it. Once I switch back to my sound card though and use my speakers everything is A OK and I am beginning to think the sound device in my DAC was a bit of an afterthought any way.

Moving on to something else I don't like. I don't like how they have apparently removed "Open with". Yes, you can set defaults but I don't want defaults. On my DAC I have found that the sound is so honest that poorly ripped music sounds like pump. So I sometimes want to listen to my music using Winamp so that I can use the EQ to sort the sound out, but I am finding I have to open the app and then browse for the files which is a bit of a pain to me.

As for the nay sayers? at the end of the day I was promised the new Windows 7. As such (and because 8 was never no 7 in the way it was presented) that was a pretty big deal to me, as was DX 12. So the main obvious reason I switched from 8 to 10 was DX12 which let's face it, is a big fucking deal. So whether I made the switch now or around Christmas time (when apparently the first DX12 titles will roll out) makes no odds to me. I'm a gamer, and the biggest thing about Windows 10 is DX12 for me. Sure, I like the pretty layout and new bits and bobs (and if I'm feel particularly lazy or zoned out on meds Cortana) but the main lure was DX12.

AMD have basically dumped Mantle now, confining it to the archives, so the only way I will see the true performance of my AMD Fury X is in DX12 which according to AMD makes the card a complete nut case.

We shall see !

Ed 2. Just clocked that "Groove" now plays FLAC out of the box with no codec needed which is rather nice.

Well the upgrade appears to be utterly fucked on my laptop, which is nice. Two hours of black screen and fans on full tilt. Sigh.

You've only got yourself to blame

That's the spirit!

Mine seemed to do that at some point and I ended up pulling the plug and rebooting the machine, at which point it carried on. I later remembered though my TV is set as the main monitor (not for any real reason, I've just never bothered to change it) so it might well have been happily trundling along on that display while I looked at the blank monitor. Although, initially at least, it was showing me progress on the monitor so even if that is what was going on it's inconsistent and confusing.

I've copied my license key down, backed up all my stuff and burned the disc ISO so at some point I'm going to do a fresh install to see if that fixes the problems I've got with being unable to access settings directly. Also, at the moment, when I switch between my monitor and TV I also need to manually switch the audio output from HDMI to the speakers whereas previously it just worked so that's kind of annoying. There are other things getting on my tits a bit (see list below) but those could be fixable once I get into the settings properly.

• Is the utterly fucking massive 'Search the web and Windows' box supposed to just sit there taking up shitloads of space on the taskbar for absolutely no reason at all?
• I really want rid of the stupid language selector thing in the system tray but, y'know, I can't get into the related options.
• I can't get rid of the OneDrive, Libraries and fucking Dropbox icons on the desktop. I expected to have to do this dance with the in-built MS stuff but Dropbox? They've really gone down in my estimation with this nonsense.
• When I do my usual 'hit the Start key and start typing to search for stuff' it doesn't really work like it used to. It still finds applications okay but media on my machine just doesn't turn up. I've got my music and video folders added to the relevant libraries so they should still be getting indexed and certainly under Windows 7 they'd turn up in search results.
• Text and icons in Firefox still looks really weird and fuzzy.

My Alienware black screened too guys it seems to be pretty normal.

I had the black screen when I put a preview on the old surface and again, a restart kicked it on with no problems.

Oh for fucks sake. From here:



So, no fresh install from an upgrade and every time you want to do that you need to go through the pointless bullshit step of installing your previous OS then upgrading. It makes absolutely sod all difference in the end so it's really just more hassle for the end user to no one's benefit. Pricks. It also makes me realise that at no point during the upgrade was I offered the choice to do a 'wipe' install; I thought that was meant to be an option?

I downloaded the ISO and got the choice to delete everything and start afresh when upgrading.

My friend's desktop PC showed the upgrade icon in the notification area yesterday. I was a little surprised, as it is a slightly-less-than legit copy of Win 7. Any temptation quickly disappeared as the CPU is not supported anyway.

What kind of weird-ass Mickey Mouse CPU do you have to have for it not to to be supported by Windows?

It's about 10 years old, so while I he was a little surprised, on the other hand it's pretty old in tech terms and not everything can be supported forever - it's an AMD x2 3800.

You can reduce the size of the search bar on the task bar. I think it's under the Cortana settings when you right click the task bar.

I had a similar thing a while ago, anything of wireless would have doggy website loading on wired it was fine. What I did to fix it makes no sense but I ended up putting Google DNS on the router as I noticed that the ISP's DNS was missing. Everything has worked fine since then.

So, I found out what's wrong with my settings stuff in Windows 10. In Windows 10 MS have defined a load of URIs which should launch specific settings apps. You can try these yourself in the Run box, so it's things like "ms-settings:display" for the Display control panel and whatnot. However, if I go into the Default Programs control panel none of these URIs even exit so obviously there's no handler app defined for them. I can see other new stuff (so there's a protocol defined to launch the clock and the calculator and fucking Twitter and whatnot) but no settings stuff at all. Obviously I'll be blowing this install away anyway, hopefully tomorrow if I get time, but still; that's some pretty awful shit right there.

I noticed last night that my screensaver no longer works. No matter how I set it, it never comes on. That's odd.

I tenned my machine this week. Pretty impressed by it, although some of the inconsistencies in the interface will take getting used to. I keep on switching the big search bar on and off as I can't decide which is more pleasing to look at on the taskbar.

Edge has promise, but for reasons I can't fathom it doesn't seem to use Cleartype so everything looks crap. Won't be switching from Firefox until that's mended.

Over the last couple of days my install has developed a new and exciting issue wherein, at some point while running, the Start Menu and taskbar freeze up completely while the rest of the machine carries on happily. Phase 2 of this issue is that it's begun happening instantly on boot up. Windows does notices so gives me a helpful error message telling me what's happened and forcing me to log on/off in an attempt to fix the problem. Which it doesn't, and so you're completely locked out of the machine and it took three reboots last night before I could get in. Annoyingly life keeps getting in the way of me having time to reinstall everything but I'm taking a sort of grim amusement from being seemingly the only person with such a massively fucked install.

This kind of business worries me - I'm in the process of buying a new PC as I need one for work. However, if I buy one with a Windows 10 install, am I going to have all sorts of problems until it gets patched?

I think a lot of currently on-sale PC will still be Windows 8.1 with a free upgrade token. Probably most.

Just out of curiosity, why is this Windows 10 rather than Windows 9?

ah cool, cheers Mr Paz

No official answer, but it may be related to lazy coders checking for Windows versions by looking for "Windows 9X" to detect 95/98.

Maybe.

You might still find some with downgrade tokens for Windows 7.

Even when they do start shipping PCs with it on it will surely have been tested with that specific hardware or else it would be a bit of a nightmare for the retailers.

ah, maybe that is it.

Things are pretty much perfect now that I'm back on Chrome. Still got the odd annoyances (like the fact it doesn't remember my login here and on certain other forums) but other than that it's pretty much as stable as 8.1 was

@Bamba

Mine seemed to have a similar problem to yours last night. The start menu and Cortana just wouldn't open no matter how many times they were clicked. A restart seemed to sort it so I don't know... I think Onedrive was uploading stuff at the time so maybe that was hogging my resources?

Windows 10 FAQ


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ ... e_mod1_faq

SSD installed and Windows 10 loaded and so far all my issues from the original install are gone. Although I'm currently running at a terrible resolution while waiting for gfx drivers to download so the wheels could still come off. The only thing is that I don't have access to my second drive with all my files on it, but hopefully that just means I haven't plugged something back in properly when installing the SSD. Although when I was putting Windows 7 back on it did see both drives at that point which is a tad worrying...