Taking the Brexit

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 2509

MaliA wrote:

If they're from the south east, surely they'd say "Hemel", rather than "Hemel Hempstead"? That's the only issue I have with it.

Not so much here in East Herts. It's not that far, but never "Hemel".

I may be atypical.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 3805

JBR wrote:

MaliA wrote:

If they're from the south east, surely they'd say "Hemel", rather than "Hemel Hempstead"? That's the only issue I have with it.

Not so much here in East Herts. It's not that far, but never "Hemel".

I may be atypical.

Interesting. Are you one of those people who pronounce it Emile, a la Heskey? I hear that a lot.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 21712

The dude is an author, and the thread journey is contrived to get to the conclusion so far.

Brexit ex pat parents.
Labourer son who is both incredibly stupid but mysteriously well informed.
The author is friends with the mayor
The mayor is willing to play along.
The son's reponse is always a tick box in ill-informed low level racism triggers.
Throw in a luddite solictor, who is paranoid about webcams, but more than happy to divulge any and all information to a random author who has no interest in the situation.
Add a touch of outraged boss who is willing to slag off his amusingly dodgy employee.

It's entertaining, but it's all made up.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Trooper wrote:

The dude is an author

Is he though? I did an admittedly very small amount of Googling earlier and couldn't find anything about an author RS Archer writing 'David Saunders' books. Which is weird in itself, why make such a public claim when it's easily proven to be nonsense?

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 2509

Findus Fop wrote:

JBR wrote:

MaliA wrote:

If they're from the south east, surely they'd say "Hemel", rather than "Hemel Hempstead"? That's the only issue I have with it.

Not so much here in East Herts. It's not that far, but never "Hemel".

I may be atypical.

Interesting. Are you one of those people who pronounce it Emile, a la Heskey? I hear that a lot.

This I have not heard! No, pure "Hem-ul".

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 22931

R.S. Archer.
Wrote a series of books, bought a boat, got prostate cancer, died an American hero. RIP this stock photo. May it rest in peace.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:38

A few days ago, there was much backslapping and Hi5s all around as a letter was sent. Here it is

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/statu ... 2292155393

A Letter from Mark Francois, Chairman of the ERG to Michel Barnier. pic.twitter.com/uHjyJ57ERZ
— Andrea Jenkyns MP #StayAlertSaveLives (@andreajenkyns) June 29, 2020

Barnier's reply is below.

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/status/1 ... 9472838656

And here it is, Michel Barnierâ€™s long awaited reply to European Research Group, you may have heard of them, chairman Mark Francois pic.twitter.com/27ABx8LH6Q
— Joe Barnes (@Barnes_Joe) July 9, 2020

This government is embarrassing

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:27

MaliA wrote:

This government is embarrassing

Aye. Embarrassing and pathetic. You'd have thought that the Eurosceptics would, over 40 years, have actually come up with some idea of what leaving might look like. Unfortunately, I'm now reconciling myself to the forthcoming disaster because no amount of warnings or request for more detail on how such-and-such a change is actually an improvement has ever yielded any decent response. I'd have thought Dominic Cummings and his superforecasters would have been all over the benefits of not being in a single market or customs union with our closest neighbours (let alone a part of the same country!) but here we are.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:54

Another day, news of another government advertising campaign about how excitingly complicated and burdensome life after 1st January will be. The only ray of light might be that actually introducing all of this makes people realise just how much of a ride they've been taken on, but it would still take years to rectify.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13178

Indeed.

https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status ... 1663633408

More expensive travel insurance, no pet passports, possible roaming charges, red tape for business: the government's website to tell people how to prepare for Brexit sounds like something the Remain campaign wrote in 2016. pic.twitter.com/t57bl0twcg
— Robert Hutton (@RobDotHutton) July 13, 2020

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:30

Who do you think will bear the increased costs of imported food?

1) the supplier
2) the supermarket
3) the customer

Gonna be spendy.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 21712

MaliA wrote:

Who do you think will bear the increased costs of imported food?

1) the supplier
2) the supermarket
3) the customer

Gonna be spendy.

4) The EU

This is what we voted for, don't let those bastards get away with not paying for it!

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2020 15:37

We’re gonna build an empire, and make the EU pay for it!

MaliA · **Posted:** Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:11

Cornwall Council calls on government to provide £700m to replace EU funding

Good luck with that.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 37071

Why don't Cornwall go to their own Government?

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:15

The BBC [url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53685266] that the government are spending £355m to help businesses with new customs forms when moving goods from Northern Ireland to Great Britain. Nowhere in the article does it mention that this something Mr Johnson repeatedly said would never happen, and that he would be happy for companies to send him any forms to throw away.

This is, of course, all on top of the plans to turn Kent into a car park. Unfortunately we're in for a tough few years whilst we wait for the chlorinated chickens to come home to roost.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:50

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/13 ... 1674160134

NEW: ðŸš¨ðŸš¨ðŸš¨ðŸ‡¬ðŸ‡§ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸš¨ðŸš¨ðŸš¨UK planning legislation to override key parts of #brexit withdrawal treaty and Northern Ireland protocol - a potentially HUGE move in negotiations; major ructions in Whitehall - my latest via @FT
https://t.co/UU3VT2Yeta
— Peter Foster (@pmdfoster) September 6, 2020

I see brexit is going well.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2020 17:04

Unlike similar moments last year I'm not watching the debate today because I'm currently in a good mood and I don't particularly want having to listen to the abhorrent and useless cretins that make up a ruling party for any time longer than necessary.

All I will say to both forum regulars and any passing MPs (particularly from north east Oxfordshire) is [cue Mr Giphy from stage right]:

Giphy "we tried to warn you":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/Y5wlazC8lSVuU/giphy-loop.mp4

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2020 17:06

Third time lucky Giphy. Although the wanking bear did make me laugh.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16034

Miliband doing well here. Just look at Boris. The fucking embarrassing, dumbfounded, absolutely useless sack of shit.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 2509

I'm sure the blond thinks his quizzical face says "blimey, this bloke is talking rubbish, isn't he?" but it actually conveys simply "I have no idea about any of this."

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Sep 16, 2020 19:24

No deal exit it is, then.

Shit gonna get rough.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:32

There's a slight chance Johnson will sign anything offered to him at the last minute and claim it as a major victory. He does have form on this.

At the back of his mind, he probably realises that any extended period of disruption and photos of empty shelves will always be tied to his time in office, and something Labour et al would be foolish to not take advantage of for another eighteen years.

Hmm...Shortages and emergencies whilst leaving Europe would bookend things nicely with Edward Heath.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:50

Try as I might, I can't find any pictures from 2016 of buses promising us entry restrictions into Kent. Odd, that.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 48736

Tough on Kent, tough on the causes of Kent

krazywookie · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:01

Kexit means kexit!

myp · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:13

Cras wrote:

Tough on Kent, tough on the causes of Kent

Only pricks live in Kent anyway so who cares

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13178

A Tweet that made me chuckle.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 0592976896

2016:
Brexit will improve your lives

2020:
Youâ€™ll need a permit to access Kent https://t.co/yK3Reqphra
— James Felton (@JimMFelton) September 23, 2020

Oh yes and a picture of Gove with 'People have had enough of exports' was funny too.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:21

Ok, who had "reestablish the Heptarchy" on their 2020 Bingo card?

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 3805

I liked this one too:

https://twitter.com/TiernanDouieb/statu ... 5379120128

Saddest thing about this is that Kent actually has a Deal. https://t.co/mtvhjcKr2V
— Tiernan Douieb (@TiernanDouieb) September 23, 2020

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:56

I rather liked this one.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/sta ... 4713453570

Brexit was supposed to turn the UK into an economic superman, but all we have ended up with are more clerks in Kent
— david allen green (@davidallengreen) September 23, 2020

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16034

I am completely lost with all this now. Are they secretly confident that there will definitely be some kind of deal and this is just for show? Or do they believe that there won't and they're actually really planning to go with this utter fucking shitshow?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13178

Only Barnard Cummings can answer that, as only he understands the 4D Chess board.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:13

markg wrote:

I am completely lost with all this now. Are they secretly confident that there will definitely be some kind of deal and this is just for show? Or do they believe that there won't and they're actually really planning to go with this utter fucking shitshow?

There's going to have be to some form of checks regardless of whether we get a deal or not, but the extent and nature of them will vary depending on precise arrangements that are agreed.

All this, by the way, is what "cutting EU red tape" means.

krazywookie · **Posted:** Thu Sep 24, 2020 20:12

Kern wrote:

markg wrote:

I am completely lost with all this now. Are they secretly confident that there will definitely be some kind of deal and this is just for show? Or do they believe that there won't and they're actually really planning to go with this utter fucking shitshow?

There's going to have be to some form of checks regardless of whether we get a deal or not, but the extent and nature of them will vary depending on precise arrangements that are agreed.

All this, by the way, is what "cutting EU red tape" means.

Secretly, they've replaced all the UK's stock of red tape with puce and mauve tape so they can be technically correct.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

EU starts legal action against UK over Brexit deal.

Just gets better and better, doesn't it.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:53

Expect plenty of cries of how nasty the EU is being from the usual suspects.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 48736

Except, unexpectedly, Farage.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:23

Unexpected Charles II cameo.

Guardian wrote:

Belgian ambassador throws King Charles II treaty into EU fishing debate
...
When the issue of the future access of European fishing fleets was being discussed by EU ambassadors in Brussels on Wednesday the Belgian government’s representative, Willem van de Voorde, made a notable intervention.

To the confusion of some, and the delight of others, the ambassador cited a treaty signed some 350 years ago by King Charles II which had granted 50 Flemish fishermen from Bruges “eternal rights” to English fishing waters. It was an important historical footnote illustrating the long relationship between Belgian fishermen and British waters, Van de Voorde suggested

Of course, were Charlie here today, he'd just agree a secret treaty with the French and take a regular brown envelope payment from their king. And then party, obviously.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:44

As is right and proper.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 16, 2020 13:06

Grim... wrote:

I'm fairly sure that's been his plan since he gave the "I'm not the person to lead this country" speech last June.

Turns out....

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:26

A clear winner for this week's "most nauseating mental image in a reply to Michael Gove" competition:

Pete Wishart, SNP wrote:

So here we go. The coveted no deal is now within touching distance. The dance of the no-deal seven veils is now down to its Brexit underwear

Hansard

krazywookie · **Posted:** Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:44

Kern wrote:

A clear winner for this week's "most nauseating mental image in a reply to Michael Gove" competition:

Pete Wishart, SNP wrote:

So here we go. The coveted no deal is now within touching distance. The dance of the no-deal seven veils is now down to its Brexit underwear

Hansard

Pete's my MP I think, he's ok.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 3805

Worth a read

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1318460203269001216

Throughout the Brexit period, Robert Tombs was one of the Brexiters I most admired - warm, polite, open to debate. We've started a series of open letters to see if we can reach across the divide. The first one is here https://t.co/ycodedTPuT
— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) October 20, 2020

myp · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2020 15:57

Not really. It’s just super-polite middle-class people rehashing the same old stuff over and over.

They will never change each other’s mind on anything.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2020 16:09

The problem is that Brexit-as-a-reality is always going to be different to Brexit-as-an-idea, and if the expected chaos happens they will claim it will only ever be because it wasn't done right.

I struggle to understand how anyone could hear about piles of new paperwork, Kent access permits, delays at ports etc and still think this is a good idea. Of course, most of that is invisible, until the prices start rising and supplies drop off course.

As a sign of changing circumstances and the slow drip of the new found freedom-from-being-faff-free I received a note from the organiser of board game Kickstarter I backed way back today, saying that they couldn't guarantee UK deliveries to be free of custom charges when it ships in February.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sun Dec 06, 2020 14:30

This is all looking fucking shit, isn't it?

I'd be surprised if I wasn't one of the millions made redundant from work in 2021.

myp · **Posted:** Sun Dec 06, 2020 14:40

MaliA wrote:

This is all looking fucking shit, isn't it?

I'd be surprised if I wasn't one of the millions made redundant from work in 2021.

Don’t you work in the groceries industry? I thought it was booming.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sun Dec 06, 2020 14:49

Mr Chonks wrote:

MaliA wrote:

This is all looking fucking shit, isn't it?

I'd be surprised if I wasn't one of the millions made redundant from work in 2021.

Don’t you work in the groceries industry? I thought it was booming.

Yeah, but although increased costs will be passed on to the customers*, I think there's going to be a trimming of margins across the industry, and that loss of profitability would need to be recovered somewhere.

*A deal viewed as "moderate" would be about 10% more on the weekly food shop, I think, no deal would be more like 20%. Which is fucking mental, given the use of the rise of food banks, and for a government to knowingly make this choice is fucking abhorrent.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 2509

MaliA wrote:

This is all looking fucking shit, isn't it?

I'd be surprised if I wasn't one of the millions made redundant from work in 2021.

I am thoroughly sick of it; the rhetoric, the lies, the posturing. Properly squeaky bum time, and they're playing all the same notes.

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