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How can we have a system of government where if you don't count the votes it is counted as 0! What the actual fuck?

Malc wrote:

How can we have a system of government where if you don't count the votes it is counted as 0! What the actual fuck?

Now that Erskine May, the Big Fat Book of Parliamentary Lore, is available online, I decided to look this up.

Failiure of teller to attend in the lobby.

Looks like the House has a "snooze-you-lose" rule.

If two tellers cannot be found for either side of the question, the division cannot take place; and the Speaker forthwith announces the decision of the House. For instance, if it appears that there are no tellers, or only one teller, for the ayes, the Speaker declares ‘that the noes have it’, and vice versa.3 The fact that a division has been called but no tellers appointed is recorded in the Journal.

I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball.

A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means.

Squirt wrote:

My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system.

Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week).

The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff.

Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets.

Sir Taxalot wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I used to work for stores in the Tesco group, calculating stock replenishment. I used to work on fresh replenishment where shelf life had a huge factor as goods needed re-stocking 2-8 days due to date codes, and there were lots of factors that govern sustainability and demand (temperature fluctuations, can and fridge breakdowns meaning that goods had to be written off). There are so many factors that govern demand (back to school, Bake Off schedules, weather changes, a news story... and every line needs hand manipulating).

Really, shelf staples such as UHT milk should have far less reason to go out of stock in a large supermarket as they don’t operate to such tight deadlines. Usually a shortage in those areas is down to manufacturer/distributor problems. Or someone is just really bad at their job.

At least they have chicken.

Considering PFC and TFC and all that exist, I don't think it's going to happen.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1169981412646301696

So if I’m understanding it right, having an election now would likely give the Conservatives a majority? I just don’t understand how that would be the case.

Q: if the house moves on Monday to have no confidence on Monday, could they just have the letter written and quickly choose someone to be PM for twenty seconds to sign it before prorogation? Would prorogation happen?

MaliA wrote:

I don't believe anyone is currently looking to immediately revoke A50. Best we'll get is a referendum rerun.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the references to Ian "Fucking" Dunt in this month's Viz. Someone there is clearly a listener/follower.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 13:25 ]
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Malc wrote: How can we have a system of government where if you don't count the votes it is counted as 0! What the actual fuck? Now that Erskine May, the Big Fat Book of Parliamentary Lore, is available online, I decided to look this up. Failiure of teller to attend in the lobby. Looks like the House has a "snooze-you-lose" rule. EDIT Also: Giphy "erskine may": https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT1XGF3wUHWG5sSWK4/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:	Kern [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 13:34 ]
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Kern wrote: Malc wrote: How can we have a system of government where if you don't count the votes it is counted as 0! What the actual fuck? Now that Erskine May, the Big Fat Book of Parliamentary Lore, is available online, I decided to look this up. Failiure of teller to attend in the lobby. Looks like the House has a "snooze-you-lose" rule. Having checked what happenned, this isn't the right bit as no vote was held. This is the bit: Quote: If two tellers cannot be found for either side of the question, the division cannot take place; and the Speaker forthwith announces the decision of the House. For instance, if it appears that there are no tellers, or only one teller, for the ayes, the Speaker declares ‘that the noes have it’, and vice versa.3 The fact that a division has been called but no tellers appointed is recorded in the Journal.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 13:45 ]
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Mr Johnson wants to try again on Monday. Hope Labour hold their nerve on this and don't vote for an election. Besides everything else, watching him lose votes and keeping him powerless in Number 10 is really funny.

Author:	Warhead [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 13:51 ]
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Indeed. He's looking more and more knackered every time I see him. A perfect example of "be careful what you wish for."

Author:	Sir Taxalot [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 23:59 ]
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A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means. Squirt wrote: I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball. My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system. Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week). The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff. Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets.

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Author:	Cras [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 0:17 ]
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2 teabags for a strong cup of tea I have no objection to.

Author:	Mimi [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:08 ]
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Sir Taxalot wrote: A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means. Squirt wrote: I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball. My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system. Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week). The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff. Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets. I used to work for stores in the Tesco group, calculating stock replenishment. I used to work on fresh replenishment where shelf life had a huge factor as goods needed re-stocking 2-8 days due to date codes, and there were lots of factors that govern sustainability and demand (temperature fluctuations, can and fridge breakdowns meaning that goods had to be written off). There are so many factors that govern demand (back to school, Bake Off schedules, weather changes, a news story... and every line needs hand manipulating). Really, shelf staples such as UHT milk should have far less reason to go out of stock in a large supermarket as they don’t operate to such tight deadlines. Usually a shortage in those areas is down to manufacturer/distributor problems. Or someone is just really bad at their job.

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:13 ]
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James has no chill

Author:	myp [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:23 ]
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And nor should he have

Author:	Grim... [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:34 ]
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Christ, he likes commas more than me.

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:37 ]
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For every comma, imagine a fist hitting a table

Author:	Grim... [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:45 ]
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Every time I read "unelected Prime Minister" I just imagine an idiot furiously finger-pecking at a keyboard.

Author:	Sir Taxalot [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:54 ]
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Mimi wrote: Sir Taxalot wrote: A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means. Squirt wrote: I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball. My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system. Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week). The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff. Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets. I used to work for stores in the Tesco group, calculating stock replenishment. I used to work on fresh replenishment where shelf life had a huge factor as goods needed re-stocking 2-8 days due to date codes, and there were lots of factors that govern sustainability and demand (temperature fluctuations, can and fridge breakdowns meaning that goods had to be written off). There are so many factors that govern demand (back to school, Bake Off schedules, weather changes, a news story... and every line needs hand manipulating). Really, shelf staples such as UHT milk should have far less reason to go out of stock in a large supermarket as they don’t operate to such tight deadlines. Usually a shortage in those areas is down to manufacturer/distributor problems. Or someone is just really bad at their job. Sounds quite complex,and would be pretty easily thrown off kilter. Plus, Lady T is pretty clumsy. I stay up each night to greet her with a hot chocolate and to enjoy hearing about what she dropped and smashed this time.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 15:30 ]
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https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1 ... 0736321537 Conservatives committing to the whole â€œCorbyn is a chickenâ€. HARD. A â€œJFCâ€ delivery has just been made to the press gallery. ðŸ” pic.twitter.com/2l9lf5WUr9 — Jack Maidment (@jrmaidment) September 6, 2019

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 15:33 ]
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What a fucking embarrassment

Author:	Grim... [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 15:33 ]
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At least they have chicken.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 15:36 ]
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So does this mean that Boris is Biff ?

Author:	Mimi [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:19 ]
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Grim... wrote: At least they have chicken. I dunno. That does not look like good food.

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:23 ]
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Dry. Like their humour.

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:24 ]
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Although, that sticker makes me want to call him Jeremy FUCKING Corbyn

Author:	Mimi [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:27 ]
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Seriously, though. What a bunch of urgh.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:47 ]
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What's profoundly annoying about it is just how stupidly performative it all is. Anyone with half a brain whether labour, conservative, or knowledgeable observer knows full well that it would be moronic to allow Johnson an election right now. Labour aren't scared, they're just not idiots, and the conservatives know that. So this is just yet another lie purely for public consumption.

Author:	BikNorton [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:03 ]
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They've sent it outside the house and that pretty seriously breaches the KFC colonel image copyright. Come on KFC, sue the Tories out of government!

Author:	Mimi [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:05 ]
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I mean, yeah, they could definitely have a case for brand defamation.

Author:	Grim... [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:06 ]
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Considering PFC and TFC and all that exist, I don't think it's going to happen.

Author:	Mimi [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:14 ]
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Grim... wrote: Considering PFC and TFC and all that exist, I don't think it's going to happen. Oh, I don’t think it will happen at all, but I don’t think those are quite the same thing. I would say it is arguable that by drawing a company’s image and branding into such a divisive political battle, especially in the current political climate, that the company’s brand could be adversely affected. And The Conservative party will likely have a far bigger money pot to draw from than a knock off chicken company.

Author:	BikNorton [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:31 ]
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All the rip offs rip off the *FC but not the Colonel imagery, don't they? Not that I'm being serious.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:31 ]
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https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 2646301696 Imagine being so shit at politics you get owned by Kentucky Fried Chicken pic.twitter.com/pgVzpeKHG5 — James Felton (@JimMFelton) September 6, 2019

Author:	MaliA [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:41 ]
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Cras wrote: https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1169981412646301696 Idgi

Author:	Cras [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:03 ]
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KFC told the conservatives to fuck off.

Author:	myp [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:23 ]
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So if I’m understanding it right, having an election now would likely give the Conservatives a majority? I just don’t understand how that would be the case.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:28 ]
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Mr Chonks wrote: So if I’m understanding it right, having an election now would likely give the Conservatives a majority? I just don’t understand how that would be the case. Because in the interests of Brexit, they'd likely form an electoral alliance with the Brexit party. Then they'd win, repeal the legislation just passed, and sail out with no deal. Once Johnson has been forced to ask for an extension, there's much less motivation for the Brexit party to co-operate in a general.

Author:	MaliA [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:30 ]
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And it makes him look stupid

Author:	Cras [ Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:36 ]
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Seemingly impossibly, the lesson taken away from May's premiership wasn't "The only person you box in with red lines is yourself"