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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 13:25 
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How can we have a system of government where if you don't count the votes it is counted as 0! What the actual fuck?


Now that Erskine May, the Big Fat Book of Parliamentary Lore, is available online, I decided to look this up.

Failiure of teller to attend in the lobby.

Looks like the House has a "snooze-you-lose" rule.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Malc wrote:
How can we have a system of government where if you don't count the votes it is counted as 0! What the actual fuck?


Now that Erskine May, the Big Fat Book of Parliamentary Lore, is available online, I decided to look this up.

Failiure of teller to attend in the lobby.

Looks like the House has a "snooze-you-lose" rule.



Having checked what happenned, this isn't the right bit as no vote was held. This is the bit:

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If two tellers cannot be found for either side of the question, the division cannot take place; and the Speaker forthwith announces the decision of the House. For instance, if it appears that there are no tellers, or only one teller, for the ayes, the Speaker declares ‘that the noes have it’, and vice versa.3 The fact that a division has been called but no tellers appointed is recorded in the Journal.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Mr Johnson wants to try again on Monday.

Hope Labour hold their nerve on this and don't vote for an election. Besides everything else, watching him lose votes and keeping him powerless in Number 10 is really funny.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Indeed.

He's looking more and more knackered every time I see him.

A perfect example of "be careful what you wish for."

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means.

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I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball.


My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system.

Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week).

The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff.

Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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2 teabags for a strong cup of tea I have no objection to.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means.

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I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball.


My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system.

Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week).

The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff.

Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets.

I used to work for stores in the Tesco group, calculating stock replenishment. I used to work on fresh replenishment where shelf life had a huge factor as goods needed re-stocking 2-8 days due to date codes, and there were lots of factors that govern sustainability and demand (temperature fluctuations, can and fridge breakdowns meaning that goods had to be written off). There are so many factors that govern demand (back to school, Bake Off schedules, weather changes, a news story... and every line needs hand manipulating).

Really, shelf staples such as UHT milk should have far less reason to go out of stock in a large supermarket as they don’t operate to such tight deadlines. Usually a shortage in those areas is down to manufacturer/distributor problems. Or someone is just really bad at their job.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Every time I read "unelected Prime Minister" I just imagine an idiot furiously finger-pecking at a keyboard.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:54 
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A friend at work often puts two tea bags in his mug during morning break. What's the beex consensus on that? I think he's a bit of a monster (and told him so) but I'm not a tea-connoisseur by any means.

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I don't really know how supermarket logistics work, but I bet it doesn't need a particular shift in buying patterns for shelves to start running bare. If everyone starts chucking a couple of pints of UHT and some spam and whatever in their trolleys, stuff will sell out quickly and then it might snowball.


My feeling is that it's a touch precarious and there isn't a huge amount of 'robustness' in the system.

Lady T is doing night fill at our local supermarket and from how she describes the goods-in and unpacking, the logistics are pretty tight for most things, it seems, and there's a lot of turnover. There are big van deliveries very frequently (4-5 nights a week).

The other week, half a truck load was somehow missing and it didn't cause a shortage but it all knocked on to other days work and caused headaches for the staff.

Seems like it would only take a few missed truck-runs for it to appear like a shortage to the customers. Add in a bit of panic buying and boom, we'll be barbecuing our pets.

I used to work for stores in the Tesco group, calculating stock replenishment. I used to work on fresh replenishment where shelf life had a huge factor as goods needed re-stocking 2-8 days due to date codes, and there were lots of factors that govern sustainability and demand (temperature fluctuations, can and fridge breakdowns meaning that goods had to be written off). There are so many factors that govern demand (back to school, Bake Off schedules, weather changes, a news story... and every line needs hand manipulating).

Really, shelf staples such as UHT milk should have far less reason to go out of stock in a large supermarket as they don’t operate to such tight deadlines. Usually a shortage in those areas is down to manufacturer/distributor problems. Or someone is just really bad at their job.


Sounds quite complex,and would be pretty easily thrown off kilter.

Plus, Lady T is pretty clumsy. I stay up each night to greet her with a hot chocolate and to enjoy hearing about what she dropped and smashed this time.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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So does this mean that Boris is Biff ?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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At least they have chicken.

I dunno. That does not look like good food.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Seriously, though. What a bunch of urgh.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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What's profoundly annoying about it is just how stupidly performative it all is. Anyone with half a brain whether labour, conservative, or knowledgeable observer knows full well that it would be moronic to allow Johnson an election right now. Labour aren't scared, they're just not idiots, and the conservatives know that.

So this is just yet another lie purely for public consumption.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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They've sent it outside the house and that pretty seriously breaches the KFC colonel image copyright. Come on KFC, sue the Tories out of government!


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I mean, yeah, they could definitely have a case for brand defamation.

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Considering PFC and TFC and all that exist, I don't think it's going to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Considering PFC and TFC and all that exist, I don't think it's going to happen.

Oh, I don’t think it will happen at all, but I don’t think those are quite the same thing. I would say it is arguable that by drawing a company’s image and branding into such a divisive political battle, especially in the current political climate, that the company’s brand could be adversely affected. And The Conservative party will likely have a far bigger money pot to draw from than a knock off chicken company.

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All the rip offs rip off the *FC but not the Colonel imagery, don't they?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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KFC told the conservatives to fuck off.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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So if I’m understanding it right, having an election now would likely give the Conservatives a majority? I just don’t understand how that would be the case.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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So if I’m understanding it right, having an election now would likely give the Conservatives a majority? I just don’t understand how that would be the case.


Because in the interests of Brexit, they'd likely form an electoral alliance with the Brexit party. Then they'd win, repeal the legislation just passed, and sail out with no deal.

Once Johnson has been forced to ask for an extension, there's much less motivation for the Brexit party to co-operate in a general.

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Seemingly impossibly, the lesson taken away from May's premiership wasn't "The only person you box in with red lines is yourself"

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So when he says he absolutely doesn’t want an election, he means the opposite. I see.

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Johnson? Yes, he's desperate for one.

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Which is what happens when you sack 20 of your own MPs

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Is this where we end up in Black Mirror?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Q: if the house moves on Monday to have no confidence on Monday, could they just have the letter written and quickly choose someone to be PM for twenty seconds to sign it before prorogation? Would prorogation happen?

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Q: if the house moves on Monday to have no confidence on Monday, could they just have the letter written and quickly choose someone to be PM for twenty seconds to sign it before prorogation? Would prorogation happen?


I don't believe anyone is currently looking to immediately revoke A50. Best we'll get is a referendum rerun.

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Q: if the house moves on Monday to have no confidence on Monday, could they just have the letter written and quickly choose someone to be PM for twenty seconds to sign it before prorogation? Would prorogation happen?


I don't believe anyone is currently looking to immediately revoke A50. Best we'll get is a referendum rerun.


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I suspect they'd need to schedule a vote on it, which there probably wouldn't be time to do

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MaliA wrote:
Q: if the house moves on Monday to have no confidence on Monday, could they just have the letter written and quickly choose someone to be PM for twenty seconds to sign it before prorogation? Would prorogation happen?


Prorogation happens unless the Privy Council orders it to stop and I'm not even sure if that's possible.
The Fixed Term Parliament Act does not set out how a new administration is formed, only that if the House votes confidence, then the election is averted.

If Johnson loses, he could go to Liz and resign but he's unlikely to be able to name a successor and that would in any case require him to have some sense of honour and dignity. Liz wouldn't fire him unless, perhaps, the Commons voted a "humble address" or a majority of MPs were in someway able to petition her.


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EDIT: a government could be formed in prorogation - remember that after an election Parliament isn't sitting but a new PM and cabinet are installed anyway. It would have to be tested afterwards. But we might by then have fallen foul of the 14 day deadline.


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The goverment's annoying Protect and Survive "Get Ready" advert even found its way onto this week's "Remainiacs". I liked their response:

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I did wonder about that.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the references to Ian "Fucking" Dunt in this month's Viz. Someone there is clearly a listener/follower.


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Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the references to Ian "Fucking" Dunt in this month's Viz. Someone there is clearly a listener/follower.


Heh! Excellent.


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