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Author: | Mimi [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:54 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Thanks Cras. And now back to the studio. After the sinking feeling of despair at reading the spoilers contents in your previous post, this actually made me laugh out loud, so thanks for the comic relief at least. |
Author: | Mimi [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:55 ] |
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Grim... wrote: It can, though - especially as poor people can't afford to do it. Aaaaaand... back down again. |
Author: | Nik [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:24 ] |
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Grim... wrote: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/operation-chaos-whitehalls-secret-no-deal-brexit-plan-leaked-j6ntwvhll ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Nik [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:28 ] |
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Alternatively (NSFW): ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Kern [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:43 ] |
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I have a little suggestion... / |
Author: | Squirt [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:06 ] |
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Reminds me of this I saw the other day... https://twitter.com/HitchinLibrary/stat ... 1308649472
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 22:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Rationing. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 9099432966
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Author: | Grim... [ Mon Aug 19, 2019 22:51 ] |
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Yay Bedford! |
Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:43 ] |
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Crikey, that's scary reading. It's somewhat discomforting, to say the least, on how complex and fragile many of the systems we take for granted truly are. It looks like it really wouldn't take much for a whole lot of essential stuff to go to absolute shit for a while, and we (all) as a society just aren't used to dealing with anything more than a trivial inconvenience. |
Author: | MrChris [ Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:35 ] |
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Isn't the saying something like "society is only 3 meals from anarchy"? |
Author: | Kern [ Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:04 ] |
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Still, "Threads" LARPers will be in for a treat. |
Author: | Nik [ Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:34 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
This is upsetting and embarrassing: Xenophobic bullying souring lives of east European pupils in UK Quote: Eastern European pupils in schools in England and Scotland have experienced increased levels of racism and xenophobia since the Brexit vote, with some accusing their teachers of failing to protect them and even joining in, research claims.
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Author: | zaphod79 [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:08 ] |
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Author: | Kern [ Tue Aug 27, 2019 14:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Drinking red wine and listening to "Remainiacs" on a Eurostar out of Brussels because 'fuck Brexit'. Bliss. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Just reading up on the Church House Agreement. Trying to stop no-deal first, rather than a vote of no confidence, is the right approach, and good to Labour working with the other parties now. My main fear is that talking up an election may make wavering Tories vote for the government in order to save their seats. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:32 ] |
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So the government want to porogue - a right not removed by the Fixed Term Parliament Act. This is not going to be pretty. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:54 ] |
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I must remember not to get tired and emotional before writing a letter to my MP tonight. |
Author: | Bamba [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:20 ] |
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Stolen from someone on Twitter who appeared in the Google results for the phrase: "I much preferred the Prorogues when they were singing about Christmas in New York. Very sad to see them meddling in politics." |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Heh. Isn't that song about the conflict between idealism and cold reality? |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:20 ] |
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Holy shit he’s actually shut parliament, and claimed it isn’t to force through no deal to boot: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632 |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:26 ] |
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What’s even worse is he isn’t even being honest about why he’s doing it “But the prime minister said it was "completely untrue" to suggest the suspension was motivated by a desire to force through no deal” Why else are you doing it you utter cunt. |
Author: | Warhead [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:44 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
That's what this mentor, Donald Trump, would do. Just lie as brazenly as possible, until they string you up from a lamp post. It'd be nice if the queen just told him to fuck off and set the corgies on him. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 13:15 ] |
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Warhead wrote: That's what this mentor, Donald Trump, would do. Just lie as brazenly as possible, until they string you up from a lamp post. It'd be nice if the queen just told him to fuck off and set the corgies on him. Ha ha, fucking no chance. They're all part of the same set of complete arseholes that got us into this mess. Fuck the lot of them. |
Author: | devilman [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 14:02 ] |
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Bamba wrote: Stolen from someone on Twitter who appeared in the Google results for the phrase: "I much preferred the Prorogues when they were singing about Christmas in New York. Very sad to see them meddling in politics." When I see the word prorogue, I read it as 'pro rogue' which sounds like what Boris had as his job title on his business cards before becoming PM. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 15:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Now that the order's been made, I'm not sure what constitutionally can be done to stop it. A "humble address" might work, but feels dubious as it's a perogative power. MPs could swipe the power away from the executive if they could get the time to do so in the limited days remaining, but I'd rather that time were spent protecting us against no-deal and could not be retrospective. They'd also have to suspend the Commons rule on seeking "Queen's Consent" on bills affective preogative powers or interests as I doubt the government would advise for its granting. Still, the volume of anger is reassuring. All to play for. |
Author: | Curiosity [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 16:17 ] |
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VONC or similar rumblings, and a General Election scheduled for early October seems plausible? |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 16:23 ] |
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Or, re introduce WA in new session? |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 16:41 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Or, re introduce WA in new session? Yep, can be brought back in a new session. But if the EU are unwilling to make even cosmetic changes, he'll look even more of a liar if he starts supporting something he's spent much of the year opposing. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 17:19 ] |
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Not my best work, but felt good. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Squirt [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 17:23 ] |
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I do think that "Proroguers" makes a good name for one of the sides in the upcoming Civil War. Any suggestions for the other? |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 17:29 ] |
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Ta. Email sent |
Author: | Goddess Jasmine [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 19:40 ] |
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MrChris wrote: What’s even worse is he isn’t even being honest about why he’s doing it “But the prime minister said it was "completely untrue" to suggest the suspension was motivated by a desire to force through no deal” Why else are you doing it you utter cunt. I apologise for my stupidity, but what reason has he actually given? |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 19:45 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The argument is that as a new goverment they want to have a Queen's Speech to set out the new agenda, and so they need a new session of Parliament. The problem is that they've requested a far longer length of time than is usual in these cases, and whilst Parliament is usually in recess for a few weeks of the conference season, there were moves to cancel this. In short, they're reducing the available number of days Parliament could sit if it chose. |
Author: | Goddess Jasmine [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:48 ] |
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Kern wrote: The argument is that as a new goverment they want to have a Queen's Speech to set out the new agenda, and so they need a new session of Parliament. The problem is that they've requested a far longer length of time than is usual in these cases, and whilst Parliament is usually in recess for a few weeks of the conference season, there were moves to cancel this. In short, they're reducing the available number of days Parliament could sit if it chose. Thanks Kern, I think that's what I don't get. Surely he's had most of summer to sort this out. |
Author: | Trooper [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:20 ] |
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Precisely. And he is getting worried that crashing out with no deal won't happen, so this course of action gets it back on track, and him and his backers plans to make a mountain of money due to the chaos are still going strong... This is him sorting it out... For his benefit, not anyone else's. |
Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:42 ] |
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Goddess Jasmine wrote: Kern wrote: The argument is that as a new goverment they want to have a Queen's Speech to set out the new agenda, and so they need a new session of Parliament. The problem is that they've requested a far longer length of time than is usual in these cases, and whilst Parliament is usually in recess for a few weeks of the conference season, there were moves to cancel this. In short, they're reducing the available number of days Parliament could sit if it chose. Thanks Kern, I think that's what I don't get. Surely he's had most of summer to sort this out. Oh yes, of course he has. They they have the front to stand there and claim it’s nothing to do with Brexit and that those who are objecting are just pretending to be outraged. It’s the Trump school of refuting facts that are staring you in the face. |
Author: | Kern [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:51 ] |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote: They they have the front to stand there and claim it’s nothing to do with Brexit and that those who are objecting are just pretending to be outraged. It’s the Trump school of refuting facts that are staring you in the face. And whenever Mr Johnson does something like this, he does that annoying smirk. He can't even pretend to be honest. |
Author: | Kern [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:54 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
As for the use of procedural tricks, those supporting the prorogration (a fun word to say, but a bastard to type) could argue that since 2017 Brexitsceptics have been using obscure and archaic parliamentary rules so they shouldn't complain when it's done to them. But this overlooks the fact that such measures (eg use of "Humble Addresses" to get documents; taking control of Parliamentary agenda for the Cooper bill or the indicative votes) were designed to keep the legislature open and promote debate, not restrict it. |
Author: | BikNorton [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
We're already piling headlong to being a bankrupt state, may as well go the whole hog and be a fascist one as well. |
Author: | Kern [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 13:19 ] |
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One minister, Lord Young, has resigned. I'm still waiting for all those Cabinet ministers who were admanataly against prorogation a couple of months ago to follow suit. Giphy "tumbleweed": https://media0.giphy.com/media/n1RJwTK8oMD5K/giphy-loop.mp4 |
Author: | miki [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 16:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
can I ask a dumb question about resigning? I've been wondering about this for quite a while as many many people resigned in protest, also in Mays time Is it not better to have these people stay and actually protest in the room? With votes going against the stupid plans? How does resigning in protest help other then the 5 mins coverage that you really disagree with this Is there a benefit that I don't understand? |
Author: | Cras [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 16:22 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cabinet works under the idea of Collective Responsibility. So, when you take a cabinet role, you effectively agree that you fully support any decisions taken by the PM/Cabinet. You can't step outside that and dissent, so the only option is resignation. |
Author: | Trooper [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 16:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The cabinet isn't a democracy, so while it would be nice to stay in and try and argue things out, if there is no chance of you winning that argument then it must be soul destroying personally, and resigning at least shows the people who voted you in what your position is. |
Author: | Cras [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 16:30 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
It's worth actually noting that they are resigning as Cabinet ministers. They still are MPs or Lords, so they can still participate in votes and discussions in Parliament. But by resigning they are released from collective responsibility so are free to disagree with the government's approach. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 16:33 ] |
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Cras wrote: Cabinet works under the idea of Collective Responsibility. So, when you take a cabinet role, you effectively agree that you fully support any decisions taken by the PM/Cabinet. You can't step outside that and dissent, so the only option is resignation. Although (unprecedentedly?) we had Cabinet members abstaining on multiple three-line-whip votes at the end of May's tenure. |
Author: | miki [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 16:49 ] |
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Cras wrote: It's worth actually noting that they are resigning as Cabinet ministers. They still are MPs or Lords, so they can still participate in votes and discussions in Parliament. But by resigning they are released from collective responsibility so are free to disagree with the government's approach. Ah I guess it's this bit that I didn't get, because I thought these ppl actually went home sorry and thanks all for explaining |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:21 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
FFS. Have you only just noticed this? https://twitter.com/SteveBarclay/status ... 8891725825
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Author: | Cras [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:22 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
"We need to start talks now" Wow. |
Author: | GazChap [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:59 ] |
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Stop talking them down, Cras! They're just taking that "just in time" methodology and applying it to this - I think it's a very modern approach. |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 13:16 ] |
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Kern wrote: FFS. Have you only just noticed this? https://twitter.com/SteveBarclay/status ... 8891725825
I reckon this might be a step toward revoking A50 |
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