Taking the Brexit

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Best we can hope for is staying in the customs union and single market.

So, as we were before, but now with no power to influence anything.

Or set up our own trade deals?

That sounds like quite the shitty option.

There is no option where we can setup our own trade deals. The EU is our biggest market, why would they give us a deal that isn't a customs union and single market? That leaves us trading on WTO rules, which are terrible, and having to try and sort out deals with other countries, which will take years to setup.

It's either revoke, or customs union with single market, anything else is an economic disaster.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Apr 01, 2019 21:27

Trooper wrote:

Best we can hope for is staying in the customs union and single market.

So, as we were before, but now with no power to influence anything.

You know, back in that crazy summer of 2016, I thought that would be the logical solution to a narrow Leave win. I probably would have gone along with it.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Apr 01, 2019 21:28

Trooper wrote:

There is no option where we can setup our own trade deals. The EU is our biggest market, why would they give us a deal that isn't a customs union and single market? That leaves us trading on WTO rules, which are terrible, and having to try and sort out deals with other countries, which will take years to setup.

It's either revoke, or customs union with single market, anything else is an economic disaster.

And those are the only options that answer the Irish Question.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Apr 01, 2019 22:14

Found watching an MP quit his party live quite moving. I could hear his voice breaking.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Kern wrote:

Found watching an MP quit his party live quite moving. I could hear his voice breaking.

I thought there was something afoot as soon as he started to talk in that voice

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6512

It only needs a handful more Tories to quit before they lose their majority even with the DUP. What the heck will happen then? Please, please not another General Election.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Has to be really. Not seeing an opposition coalition being possible. I can see May trying to carry on with a rump and assuring everyone everything is still going according to plan.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Kern wrote:

Found watching an MP quit his party live quite moving. I could hear his voice breaking.

I thought there was something afoot as soon as he started to talk in that voice

I really felt for him. The raw emotion in his voice was hard to listen to.

Here’s the vote breakdowns; the broad answer to “why didn’t anything pass” is “because Tories.”

https://twitter.com/paul1kirby/status/1 ... 3116229642

Tonightâ€™s Brexit votes. By party. â¦@instituteforgovâ© chart pic.twitter.com/JYYJU6TrlU
— Paul Kirby (@paul1kirby) April 1, 2019

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4668

I was in Singapore recently with a bunch of other folk from around the Asia-Pacific region and a lot of them asked me about Brexit.

The response from me tended to be 'I'm really quite embarrassed about all this' and 'what a fucking mess'.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:58

That house was covered with flags again today, along with another handwritten sign saying "OUT IS OUT" and a bit of paper saying "STUFF DEAL" taped across it.

At least one person in the city is happy with how things are going.

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

For fuck's sake, Twitter, here we go again.

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My tweet was in response to:

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If anyone can tell me how I've promoted violence against, threatened, or harassed other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease, I'd be most obliged. The only thing I'd change about my tweet is add the word "or" between the two reasons, for clarity.

I've a feeling it's the word "cunt" they object to, but if so, I strongly disagree with their stance, and would like to see their reasoning. (Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason.)

(Apologies for drifting slightly off-topic, but the tweet was Brexit-related.)

myp · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:12

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

Lonewolves wrote:

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

Stupid cunts.

The annoying thing is (along with the bizarre idea that I've pissed off the intersection of leave voters, women, Americans and people who read my tweets, which I think is a pretty tiny intersection) that in order to be able to tweet, rather than wait a few days for them to read my appeal and decide to overrule it because they're American, I've removed the "offending" tweet, so that I may tweet once more, and they'll take this as me withdrawing my appeal.

Oh well, private company, their rules, using it is a privilege, not a right, etc.

Meanwhile, Brexit! How's it all going? Pretty well, I hear?

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:18

Lonewolves wrote:

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

They're trying to change this perception by having one in the White House.

myp · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:19

Tbh enough British women have told me they don’t like it to make me change my approach to the word. I don’t use it much these days.

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

I think we should just campaign to make "prick" equally offensive.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:23

Kern wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

They're trying to change this perception by having one in the White House.

Superb

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

https://twitter.com/WaterstonesTCR/stat ... 4512509952

We're sick of selling books, so this morning we held indicative votes on what kind of shop we should become.

Our options were:

-pet shop
-sweetshop
-pound store
-cheesemonger

All votes failed to pass, so we're selling books until April 12, when we become a Greggs by default.
— WaterstonesTCR (@WaterstonesTCR) April 2, 2019

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

Lonewolves wrote:

Tbh enough British women have told me they don’t like it to make me change my approach to the word. I don’t use it much these days.

I'm struggling to think of many women who've actually told me they don't like it. I can only think of one (who was actually telling my colleague to stop using it, rather than me), and she was not someone of whom I was a big fan. I recognise that some (many?) may have disliked it without mentioning their dislike though.

Most women with whom I've been in the kind of social situation where the word might be used, have not been shy in using it themselves.

I'm not of the opinion that Americans are more "progressive" than us in their attitudes towards the word, but that's mainly because the fact that they've traditionally only used it to insult women seems more sexist to me than our catch-all usage.

Along similar lines, I had an interesting disagreement on Twitter the other day, with someone who objected to me peddling t-shirts with "Fuck Brexit" on them...

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

zaphod79 wrote:

https://twitter.com/WaterstonesTCR/status/1112991524512509952

Nice!

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Nik wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Tbh enough British women have told me they don’t like it to make me change my approach to the word. I don’t use it much these days.

I'm struggling to think of many women who've actually told me they don't like it. I can only think of one (who was actually telling my colleague to stop using it, rather than me), and she was not someone of whom I was a big fan. I recognise that some (many?) may have disliked it without mentioning their dislike though.

Most women with whom I've been in the kind of social situation where the word might be used, have not been shy in using it themselves.

I'm not of the opinion that Americans are more "progressive" than us in their attitudes towards the word, but that's mainly because the fact that they've traditionally only used it to insult women seems more sexist to me than our catch-all usage.

It can be quite region specific in my experience. In Scotland--and especially in Glasgow--it's used a lot more liberally and to cover more cases so is less likely to be taken as particularly bad; but even at that I've still noticed some people (women especially) shudder at it's useage.

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

Uniting the strands of this thread:
https://twitter.com/PhelpsieSarah/statu ... 3925584897

Cunty. https://t.co/1OnFQgAJl8
— Sarah Phelps (@PhelpsieSarah) April 2, 2019

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

One of the things that infuriates me most about brexit is when ill-educated halfwits like Marc Francois start talking meaningless tubthumping bollocks without revealing the slightest grasp of the complexities of international law and trade, the outlets fucking queue up to put his ridiculous greasy frog face on their news shows and his vacuous quotes in their newspaper columns.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:26

Cras wrote:

One of the things that infuriates me most about brexit is when ill-educated halfwits like Marc Francois start talking meaningless tubthumping bollocks without revealing the slightest grasp of the complexities of international law and trade, the outlets fucking queue up to put his ridiculous greasy frog face on their news shows and his vacuous quotes in their newspaper columns.

Think of it this way: you're the office junior at Globelink and you need to fill airtime on a one hour programme. People like Francois are usually available to reach at short notice, so you reach for their number.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:27

Nik wrote:

Uniting the strands of this thread:

The strongest epithets should be reserved for those who most deserve them. Francois is just a fuckwit, and hopefully is unlikely to be promoted any higher than cockwomble.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Kern wrote:

Cras wrote:

One of the things that infuriates me most about brexit is when ill-educated halfwits like Marc Francois start talking meaningless tubthumping bollocks without revealing the slightest grasp of the complexities of international law and trade, the outlets fucking queue up to put his ridiculous greasy frog face on their news shows and his vacuous quotes in their newspaper columns.

Think of it this way: you're the office junior at Globelink and you need to fill airtime on a one hour programme. People like Francois are usually available to reach at short notice, so you reach for their number.

Oh I know why it is. But if you're going to do that at least allow the reporter with the mic in his face to dismantle his specious nonsense.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 13:12

Fuckwits who want a No Deal Brexit are the same fuckwits who think that the UK will have the USA over a barrel in trade negotiations, and won’t just get totally screwed over by a much larger economy.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10078

Lonewolves wrote:

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

So Twitter is being racist to minorities then?

myp · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 14:01

BikNorton wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

So Twitter is being racist to minorities then?

Explain how that one works.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 15:15

Kern wrote:

The City Council are flying the EU flag from their mast today. Which is nice.

Led to a nice bit of clickbait for the Oxford Mail.

Angry Totally-Existing Reader wrote:

This demonstration by the City Council is just as bad as the recent display of swastika signs sprayed on a school wall which was immediately washed away on council orders.

Also includes a picture of the house I've mentioned.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Yes, yes, it is precisely the same.

Jesus H fucking christ.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10078

Lonewolves wrote:

BikNorton wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Nik wrote:

(Seemingly Americans only call women cunts, for some reason)

This will be why. It’s a gendered insult in America.

So Twitter is being racist to minorities then?

Explain how that one works.

America telling the UK and Australia, its population inferiors, how their words work.

The idea mildly amused me on my lunchtime walk.

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

We invented the bloody language! HARD BREXIT NOW!

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Auntie Oblivious has made a speech. She's going to get in a room with Magic Grandad and they'll make wonderful brexit unicorns together.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2019 18:35

Cras wrote:

Auntie Oblivious has made a speech. She's going to get in a room with Magic Grandad and they'll make wonderful brexit unicorns together.

Bravo!

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Glad that's sorted then, I was starting to get a bit stressy.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status ... 2177816582

Good to see Theresa May offering Jeremy Corbyn the opportunity to sit down and agree with Theresa May.
— James Chalmers (@ProfChalmers) April 2, 2019

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:29

What's the betting Jeremy Corbyn forgets to demand a referendum when he meets the Prime Minister?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

What's the betting he will refuse every option or compromise, and immediately after the meeting call for a general election.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6512

https://twitter.com/nadams/status/1113359638769164289

Following yesterdayâ€™s cabinet, this morning Iâ€™ve been to Downing Street & resigned my position as UK Govt Minister for Wales & Govt Whip. Iâ€™m grateful to the PM for the opportunity to serve as a Minister since 2017 & will continue to serve my constituents from the backbenches. pic.twitter.com/W15xS4cOBP
— Nigel Adams MP (@nadams) April 3, 2019

I imagine there might be a couple more of these today.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Bloody hell, he's not pulling any punches in there.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

Can't deny he's putting his money where his mouth is.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

No mention of Brexit by Uncle Jeremy in PMQs...,

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Seems legit.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rosby-firm

https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/1113463627867095040

This is a heck of a story https://t.co/hMAw9FFYi1
— alex hern (@alexhern) April 3, 2019

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Apr 03, 2019 21:28

Kern, last week wrote:

I've just noticed that we have yet to have a tie in a House of Commons vote..

Wahey! They did it today!
So, what shall we try for next? Sadly, the House voted yesterday to merely write Dominic Cummings a stern letter rather than lock him in the Elizabeth Tower for his act of contempt, so that one's out. Perhaps a secret session?

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:55

So, anyway, that Cooper bill, eh?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Great thread here, skewers Piers Morgan in the process, which is nice.

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status ... 3300842497

Hello Mr Morgan,

Iâ€™ve just seen this tweet. I donâ€™t know if you were out of the country at the time, but let me respectfully explain why this isnâ€™t a fair reflection of what the referendum was about, and therefore what people "voted for".... https://t.co/iWaUaJmJ61
— Steve Analyst (@EmporersNewC) April 3, 2019

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:44

MaliA wrote:

So, anyway, that Cooper bill, eh?

I understand what it's trying to do but I'm not sure it was the best use of the available time.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:09

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

So, anyway, that Cooper bill, eh?

I understand what it's trying to do but I'm not sure it was the best use of the available time.

I think.it is progress, not efficient progress, but a step forward all the same

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