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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 15:02 
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Yeah at first glance it looked like someone had fairly poorly edited it, but maybe I've been watching too much captain disillusion?

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This has appeared on Twitter, source unverified yet.

Is this really where we're at?

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Some rogue anti-Brexit campaigners created those to post on social media, and place printed poster versions in hospitals, clinics and GP surgeries.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Possible hyperbole aside, I thought the likelihood of drug shortages worsening after Brexit was pretty well accepted as likely?

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k4040/rr

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Yeah. If it is a fake, it's very silly - because it's probably very true but if fake can be dismissed as such.

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Yes, that’s certain way of looking at it. I think the actual liklihood of there being problems is very real. As said, there are already very real drug shortages across the NHS, and if they are still in effect, Brexit isn’t going to help that, certainly not in the short term. After the last couple of years my family has had, it’s one of my foremost worries about the whole mess.

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Also, discussions of whether it’s real or a hoax... I can’t see anywhere that it’s pretending to be NHS distributed information or anything other than a private enterprise to distribute.

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Hearthly wrote:
This has appeared on Twitter, source unverified yet.

Is this really where we're at?

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I wondered the same, so shared it on Facebook to ask "is this real?". A friend pointed out that a genuine NHS poster would be unlikely to include the phrase "we promise will (sic) do all we can".


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Oh yeah!

So what is it?

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A white hole?

Keep reading.

Oh yeah!

So what is it?


I've never seen one before -- no one has -- but I'm guessing it's a white hole.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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A white hole?

Keep reading.

Oh yeah!

So what is it?


I've never seen one before -- no one has -- but I'm guessing it's a white hole.

A white hole?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Is the Brexit drama worth watching, or is it just all lifted from Tim Shipman's book?

I recorded it, but wasn't in the mood last night.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Guardian's review is somewhat critical:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... umberbatch

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Guardian's review is somewhat critical:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... umberbatch

Lucy Mangan is nice.


Lucy Mangan's review of Luther was excellent, and spot on.

Really enjoying Luther, incidentally. It's at once grimmer than brexit while providing light relief from brexit.


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Findus Fop wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
The Guardian's review is somewhat critical:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... umberbatch

Lucy Mangan is nice.


Lucy Mangan's review of Luther was excellent, and spot on.

Really enjoying Luther, incidentally. It's at once grimmer than brexit while providing light relief from brexit.


I've watched season 1 through halfway through season 5 of Luther in the past week. It's enjoyable fluff, with the odd brilliant moment, carried completely by Idris Elba and Ruth Wilson through the farcical nature of it.

Line of duty does it better, but I've enjoyed my time with Luther so far, two thumbs up.


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The word "Cumberbatch" should be enough to tell you everything.


He's going to play Stuart Campbell one day.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Trooper wrote:
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The Guardian's review is somewhat critical:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... umberbatch

Lucy Mangan is nice.


Lucy Mangan's review of Luther was excellent, and spot on.

Really enjoying Luther, incidentally. It's at once grimmer than brexit while providing light relief from brexit.


I've watched season 1 through halfway through season 5 of Luther in the past week. It's enjoyable fluff, with the odd brilliant moment, carried completely by Idris Elba and Ruth Wilson through the farcical nature of it.

Line of duty does it better, but I've enjoyed my time with Luther so far, two thumbs up.


Oh it's utterly ludicrous. Switching off your brain is essential. But they also seem to have a knack for tapping into fairly specific fears e.g. being stalked on a nightbus in a rough part of London.

Idris and Ruth Wilson definitely carry it, even if Idris does walk around like Kevin the Teenager after discovering Oasis.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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As a PI lawyer I’ve been keeping an eye on Brexit law changes in my field of speciality but, for the most part, it’s been a bit quiet. People don’t realise that a lot of our health & safety regulations come from the EU and have invariably made the quality of life for workers up and down the country much safer over the years.

Something popped up today though that I hadn’t noticed before. There’s a draft Motor Vehicles (Compulsory Insurance) (Amendment etc) (EU exit) Regulations 2019 coming into force which will make a lot of people worse off.

The Motor Insurers Bureau (the MIB) is a government scheme set up to compensate victims of accidents where the offender is untraced or uninsured. Part of its role is also to act as a compensation body for people who are injured in road accidents in the EU but are UK residents so, currently, if you go to Spain and you’re knocked over by a car you can pursue a claim here and it’s nice and easy and ensures that victims get prompt redress. The MIB then claims its money back from the EU’s country’s own version of the scheme cause all member states have one.

Come Brexit under this new act you won’t be able to do that at all: you’ll have to pursue the claim directly in the member state. Moreover if you don’t issue your case in our courts before the Brexit exit you lose the right to claim here - even if you’ve got an ongoing case with the MIB. This will be immeasurably difficult and inconvenient for UK residents.

I’ve seen it pointed out that the most annoying thing is however is that there has been no consultation on this change in the law and no debate in Parliament! Well done Brexit peeps!

So come the exit say there’s going to be a flood of claims cluttering up our already filled to bursting point legal system and a whole load of people who lose the right to claim over here and have to start seeking foreign lawyers and what not.

Fortunately I haven’t got any of these claims ongoing myself. But if I was seriously injured in Europe I’d be extremely worried about pursuing a claim in a foreign jurisdiction in terms of the care of the legal system afforded to me and I can image most won’t bother seeking out redress at all. But I’m sure the Government doesn’t give two shits if injured people don’t get access to justice and there’s a no system in place for victims than before Brexit. All this time and money being spent on Brexit and we end up with a worse system than we currently have. Yay Brexit!


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There's going to be a shitload of that type of thing coming to light once the dust settles. Rights we've got as individuals and restrictions on fucked up shit that companies can do to people that turn out to have been stealthily yanked out from under us by the very nature of Brexit. It won't have an immediate impact, but over the next couple of decades companies will begin realising more and more stuff they can get away with. Then one day we'll wake up and find our quality of life is as fucked as the poor saps in the US with their like five days off a year or whatever nonsense they suffer.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I see Bercow is taking centre stage today...

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I see Bercow is taking centre stage today...


I've been reading the rolling coverage and feel clueless as to the implications to this, if any:

a)Does this impact Brexit?
b)Does this make a No Deal brexit more or less likely?

I've long ago lost track of what's positive, negative or plain old gamesmanship in parliament.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If the government loses the meaningful vote on May's deal on Monday, this new amendment now means that they only have three days (instead of 24) to propose their 'plan B' to the house.

Basically it helps prevent the clock running out but does little else.

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If the government loses the meaningful vote on May's deal on Monday, this new amendment now means that they only have three days (instead of 24) to propose their 'plan B' to the house.

Basically it helps prevent the clock running out but does little else.


Gotcha, thank you. Feels like it's rapping May's knuckles for postponing the vote in the first place.


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Basically it helps prevent the clock running out but does little else.

Procedurally, you are correct. And May would likely have come back to Commons quite soon after (ineviatbly?) losing the vote anyway. To do otherwise would be to leave a power vacuum that would only put her even further on the back foot.

But I think you are underselling how big this is from a psychological point of view: we have a Parliament that is flexing its muscles and telling the government that it will not be sidelined on this matter. It was not clear, a month ago, that that would happen. I think that's significant.

Also, there's a wrinkle about whether the motion that must be presented within three days will be amendable:

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1083009915197837312




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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And May would likely have come back to Commons quite soon after (ineviatbly?) losing the vote anyway.


You think? After pulling the vote in December it's been looking more and more like she's going for maximum delay.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Trooper wrote:
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The Guardian's review is somewhat critical:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... umberbatch

Lucy Mangan is nice.


Lucy Mangan's review of Luther was excellent, and spot on.

Really enjoying Luther, incidentally. It's at once grimmer than brexit while providing light relief from brexit.


I've watched season 1 through halfway through season 5 of Luther in the past week. It's enjoyable fluff, with the odd brilliant moment, carried completely by Idris Elba and Ruth Wilson through the farcical nature of it.

Line of duty does it better, but I've enjoyed my time with Luther so far, two thumbs up.


And the Brexit thread continues to be the best place to discuss Luther. Finished S5 last night. Was a barmier conclusion than I could have ever hoped (and not altogether satisfying, TBH).


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Telly thread's that way. >>>

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Telly thread's that way. >>>


I mean, that would of course make sense. But Luther is dystopian enough to sit amongst brexit discussion.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I'm watching the cummingbonce Brexit thingy, it's quite good so far, but I've only watched half an hour.


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I'm watching the cummingbonce Brexit thingy, it's quite good so far, but I've only watched half an hour.


I enjoyed it, no idea how much was anywhere close to what actually happened, but it was a pretty good watch. Bloodyhell Candyfloss was good in it.


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I'm watching the cummingbonce Brexit thingy, it's quite good so far, but I've only watched half an hour.


I enjoyed it, no idea how much was anywhere close to what actually happened, but it was a pretty good watch. Bloodyhell Candyfloss was good in it.


I've not seen it, but this thread pretty much breaks it all down.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 4305184768



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I'm watching the cummingbonce Brexit thingy, it's quite good so far, but I've only watched half an hour.


I enjoyed it, no idea how much was anywhere close to what actually happened, but it was a pretty good watch. Bloodyhell Candyfloss was good in it.


I've not seen it, but this thread pretty much breaks it all down.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 4305184768




Fact 1 in that thread, totally wrong and completely missed the point of the scene. Doesn't bode well! :D


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Thinking about the Bercow row (row row row your boat), yeah, it probably was a bit sneaky but given the circumstances just about acceptable.

I don't think it's something that should happen on a regular basis, but on the greatest questions where the executive has shown repeated disregard for Paliament, sometimes they have to be reminded who's boss.

We let the government control business through its majority but keep the chair neutral to represent the idea of the Commons as a collective body. We could always follow the US example where the Speaker of the House of Represenatives is overtly a partisan figure and control business and patronage that way, but in a fused system like ours that would be tantamount to handing even more control over to the executive.

Of course, none of this would have happened had the government been more willing to engage Parliament in the Brexit thing a long time ago.


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I'm watching the cummingbonce Brexit thingy, it's quite good so far, but I've only watched half an hour.


I enjoyed it, no idea how much was anywhere close to what actually happened, but it was a pretty good watch. Bloodyhell Candyfloss was good in it.


It's based on Tim Shipman's book, which, along with the sequel, is fast-paced and very readable.


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Of course, none of this would have happened had the government been more willing to engage Parliament in the Brexit thing a long time ago.

That’s where I’m coming from. The government has shown Parliament utter contempt and been very happy to exploit obscure rules to minimise Parliament’s role. It deserved what happened yesterday.


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I was annoyingly busy yesterday so missed the fireworks, but Sir Keir Starmner's main speech is a treat.
Standout line:

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At no point have the Government reached out across the House at all, even after the snap election. I actually personally thought that at some stage somebody might give me a ring and ask what would be the main features that we could at least begin to discuss, or whether it was worth even having a discussion about them.

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Of course, none of this would have happened had the government been more willing to engage Parliament in the Brexit thing a long time ago.

That’s where I’m coming from. The government has shown Parliament utter contempt and been very happy to exploit obscure rules to minimise Parliament’s role. It deserved what happened yesterday.


And now on Radio 4, 'Yesterday in Parliament':

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Of course, none of this would have happened had the government been more willing to engage Parliament in the Brexit thing a long time ago.

That’s where I’m coming from. The government has shown Parliament utter contempt and been very happy to exploit obscure rules to minimise Parliament’s role. It deserved what happened yesterday.


This, basically.

For those who aren't fully up to speed with what happened yesterday (as it does all superficially seem a bit arcane and procedural), Ian Dunt's piece over at politics.co.uk explains it brilliantly.

The government had this coming, is the long and short of it. (And Bercow warned the executive last year that they were heading into dangerous waters.)

http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01/09/ ... -s-winning

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Meanwhile, in the House of Lords, the Archbishop of Cantebury talks about the mock traffic jam before getting onto the stuff we pay him for:

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That brings me to my second point about moral responsibility. The decision is rightly with Parliament and specifically with the other place, but with parliamentary sovereignty comes responsibility for the welfare of those represented and legislated for. We face not just practical choices but moral decisions alongside our highest responsibility to protect our poorest and most vulnerable. The burden, therefore, must be on those who believe that no deal is a reasonable option to prove that it would not have a significant negative impact on people such as those in the diocese that I serve who already face hardship.


His Grace then pulls out the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch for an unexpected conclusion:

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A second referendum is not my preference but if Parliament fails in the task entrusted to it, then regrettably it may be required. This is about more than Brexit, and Parliament must not show itself unfit for the job. Parliamentarians must be able to look back at this time and say honestly to the people of this country that we put them, their choices, their welfare and their communities above the politics and ideology that can seem so all-consuming here in Westminster


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As my phone unexpectedly got stuck going back to the thread list, it struck me... What happens to the internet? It's already come up with regards to distributed dev work within the company, but God damnit what about Netflix?!

Are akamai and the cloud providers frantically backing up the internet onto tapes in this country just in case the cables need to be unplugged?

I mean, how is intercontinental data affected in a no-deal or lesser-trade-agreement-fuckup situation?


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As my phone unexpectedly got stuck going back to the thread list, it struck me... What happens to the internet? It's already come up with regards to distributed dev work within the company, but God damnit what about Netflix?!



Your data stream is held at the border until Albert has a chance to watch it to make sure it isn't one of those foreign films.


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Meanwhile, in the House of Lords, the Archbishop of Cantebury talks about the mock traffic jam before getting onto the stuff we pay him for:

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That brings me to my second point about moral responsibility. The decision is rightly with Parliament and specifically with the other place, but with parliamentary sovereignty comes responsibility for the welfare of those represented and legislated for. We face not just practical choices but moral decisions alongside our highest responsibility to protect our poorest and most vulnerable. The burden, therefore, must be on those who believe that no deal is a reasonable option to prove that it would not have a significant negative impact on people such as those in the diocese that I serve who already face hardship.


His Grace then pulls out the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch for an unexpected conclusion:

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A second referendum is not my preference but if Parliament fails in the task entrusted to it, then regrettably it may be required. This is about more than Brexit, and Parliament must not show itself unfit for the job. Parliamentarians must be able to look back at this time and say honestly to the people of this country that we put them, their choices, their welfare and their communities above the politics and ideology that can seem so all-consuming here in Westminster


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 15:43 
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We're genuinely descending into the realms of farce now.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... y-confirms

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