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Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:35 ]
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As one person said on Twitter, British adults oppose homework, broccoli and tidying their rooms but support winning the national lottery.

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:39 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: The whole stupid, rotten core of the thing in one poll result https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/10 ... 6274950144 New polling on #Brexit. British adults... Oppose May's deal by 42-26 Oppose No Deal by 41-34 Oppose remaining in EU by 45-44 Oppose 2nd referendum by 50-40 Oppose extending date when UK leaves EU by 46-34 Support renegotiating with EU if May deal fails by 45-25 ComRes Dec 4 pic.twitter.com/Qx3qHd2rXT — Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) December 4, 2018 https://twitter.com/duncanrobinson/stat ... 53664?s=09

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:39 ]
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Curiosity wrote: I think there’s plenty of blame for the opposition too, as they seem convinced that if only they were in power then there would be different coloured unicorns available. Sure, there's culpability everywhere. But May wanted to sit in the big chair and that's where the buck ultimately has to stop.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:49 ]
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Good explainer of what happened yesterday for people wanting to catch up: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/brex ... -explainer

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:02 ]
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Ian Dunt's piece on it is excellent, and features rather less in the way of massive distracting graphics. http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/12/04/ ... rexit-vote

Author:	myp [ Wed Dec 05, 2018 15:55 ]
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Hearthly wrote: Ian Dunt's piece on it is excellent, and features rather less in the way of massive distracting graphics. http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/12/04/ ... rexit-vote Can’t beat a good gif. Much better than a 3-hour long YouTube video.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:41 ]
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Totally normal things here, nothing extraordinary at all, certainly no way this could go catastrophically wrong (there's more in the thread if you click through) https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070936000841609217 EXCLUSIVE: Ministers will have the power to overrule doctorsâ€™ prescriptions in case medicines run out after Brexit. Urgent government consultation launched on Tuesday, leaked to The Times https://t.co/Joupfiz6lW — Henry Zeffman (@hzeffman) December 7, 2018

Author:	Kern [ Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 ]
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Strong and stable. Seriously, this is failed-state kind of shit.

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:48 ]
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So how long before inflation kicks in?

Author:	Hearthly [ Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:24 ]
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I know we're probably all reading this anyway but holy fuck this is a full-on, fact-based evisceration of May. If I was half as shit at my job as she is, I'd get fucking sacked. http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/12/07/ ... e-to-roost Quote: It is quite wrong to feel pity for her. Firstly, her current misery is of her own making. The deal is terrible because her red lines made any other outcome impossible. That is her responsibility. Secondly, she is still now lying with almost every word she utters. Her entire defence of the deal rests on the most grotesquely misleading characterisations of its contents and implications. Her every answer to any question is deliberately and instinctively evasive. She is a deception machine, a next-generation political mechanism which simply cannot be straight with people, whether it's negotiators in Brussels, MPs in parliament, or the public on the doorstep. The fact she is so unconvincing when lying does not remove the moral responsibility for having done so in the first place. And now all the various inadequacies we've seen through the last couple of years have joined together to undermine any chance of success she might have had. It would be satisfying, on a moral level, if we were not all forced to suffer the consequences alongside her.

Author:	Kern [ Sun Dec 09, 2018 18:04 ]
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I'm going to Remainiacs Live tomorrow, mostly to hear Dunt swear live in person.

Author:	devilman [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 0:54 ]
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Just when I think people may slowly be coming round to the fact that Brexit can't be a good thing, I decide to have a nose on Facebook at my local group.. Attachment: fb.PNG as much as I would like to try and engage with them, I know I wouldn't make any inroads, so I think I'll spare my sanity and log off for the evening instead.

Author:	Trooper [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:02 ]
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I'm being told that the country has never been more divided, yet all I can see is a country that has never been more united in one thing... Literally everyone thinks this government is royally cocking everything up.

Author:	Sir Taxalot [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:37 ]
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devilman wrote: Just when I think people may slowly be coming round to the fact that Brexit can't be a good thing, I decide to have a nose on Facebook at my local group.. Attachment: fb.PNG as much as I would like to try and engage with them, I know I wouldn't make any inroads, so I think I'll spare my sanity and log off for the evening instead. My brother in law (as well as being a pretty militant vegan) has shared pictures of a lot of similar views. It's a bit depressing really as clearly there are people that genuinely feel that way. What a fucking mess.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:03 ]
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Trooper wrote: I'm being told that the country has never been more divided, yet all I can see is a country that has never been more united in one thing... Literally everyone thinks this government is royally cocking everything up. And yet if there was a snap election they would probably retain power.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:06 ]
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devilman wrote: Just when I think people may slowly be coming round to the fact that Brexit can't be a good thing, I decide to have a nose on Facebook at my local group.. Attachment: fb.PNG as much as I would like to try and engage with them, I know I wouldn't make any inroads, so I think I'll spare my sanity and log off for the evening instead. I don’t understand how having a vote on an issue is a betrayal of democracy. I could see it if there was one immediately after the result, but we now have two years of the Brexit Bunch showing everyone that it’s a massive shit show, and the government admitting that whatever deal they get will be damaging to the country. All the leading Brexiters have had a shot at power and every one of them has fucked it up. Asking, “So, knowing what we know now, do we still want to do this?” is MORE democracy, not less.

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:09 ]
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The reason that Brexiteers are so against a second vote is that they all know that remain would trounce them and bring the whole thing to a grinding halt

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:13 ]
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DavPaz wrote: The reason that Brexiteers are so against a second vote is that they all know that remain would trounce them and bring the whole thing to a grinding halt I’d like to think that would happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a public vote chose No Deal Brexit. Anyway, the EU has said we can cancel Brexit if we want. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-46481643 On the downside I’ve just seen a FB friend posting pro Brexit nonsense, so into the bin he goes.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:17 ]
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This is gonna get funny.

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:27 ]
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DavPaz wrote: The reason that Brexiteers are so against a second vote is that they all know that remain would trounce them and bring the whole thing to a grinding halt Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure.

Author:	markg [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 ]
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Even if it went remain it wouldn't be a happy ending, I think it would provoke unrest and leave the country more divided than ever. There is no good way out of this mess. The best I think we'll do is the least damaging fudge, wait enough time for enough old cunts to die, so endure perhaps a decade at least of misery and then another referendum then when we rejoin on worse terms than we have now.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:50 ]
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https://twitter.com/MaliciousA/status/1 ... 57825?s=09 Decided to stir the pot.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:51 ]
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Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: The reason that Brexiteers are so against a second vote is that they all know that remain would trounce them and bring the whole thing to a grinding halt Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure. Me, neither.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:54 ]
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Much depends on turnout, particuarly young people. Basically, if you're of age you absolutly have to vote this time. What was interesting about the 2016 vote was quite a large turnout from voters who never or seldom voted. If they stay away this time round out of disgust at being ignored again, that could help remain.

Author:	Trooper [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:19 ]
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Curiosity wrote: Trooper wrote: I'm being told that the country has never been more divided, yet all I can see is a country that has never been more united in one thing... Literally everyone thinks this government is royally cocking everything up. And yet if there was a snap election they would probably retain power. Another thing the country is united on, all the other options apart from this government are even worse.

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:24 ]
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MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: The reason that Brexiteers are so against a second vote is that they all know that remain would trounce them and bring the whole thing to a grinding halt Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure. Me, neither. Me, neither

Author:	Trooper [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:43 ]
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I was certain we would vote remain last time, so I have no idea.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:47 ]
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Depends what is on the ballot as to the result. No deal vs May’s deal vs Remain? The above, but done in AV format? Same question as last time? It’s hard enough to work out. That said, given the demographic shift in the last couple of years, I would expect people to favour Remain over No Deal. Having said that, the current Brexiteer movement is openly admitting that they don’t care what will happen, and that they will refuse to even listen to anything that isn’t full, complete no deal Brexit, no matter what the cost. Because, and I don’t say this lightly, they’re complete fucking imbeciles.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:00 ]
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I watched the C4 show last night. Krishan Guru-Murphy chaired it well. I was most impressed by Caroline Lucas, who came across as passionate and engaging on the subject. Labour's Barry Gardinier was desperate to talk about anything other than Brexit, and Mr Rees-Mogg didn't really have much to say. I can't remember who the pro-deal Tory was, and not sure I can remember any of his arguments . I'm willing to admit that most of these assessments are based on my own prejudices and someone with different leanings might see it differently, but unlike the 2016 campaign there was at least someone making a positive case for the EU. The brief statements from the audience that top and tailed the show were as pointless and unenlightening as these things really are.

Author:	Hero of Excellence [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:32 ]
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It’s a genuine shame that C. Lucas is in a fringe party like the Greens, rather than a mainstream centre-left party. It’s a genuine shame that what passes for a mainstream centre-left party is being crippled by backwards Brexity dinosaurs like B. Gardiner. There is such a thing as leftist gammon. J. Rees-Mogg’s image, with the Hitlerian hair parting, is too on-the-nose. Like Trump, Rees-Mogg would be implausible were he a fictional character.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 13:17 ]
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Vote delayed. Lolz

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Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 13:56 ]

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MaliA wrote:

Vote delayed. Lolz

Maybe not: https://twitter.com/HindChristopher/sta ... 8662267904

The meaningful vote has been announced in the Parliamentary schedule. Pulling it needs a vote to approve. That vote could be lost!
— Christopher Hind (@HindChristopher) December 10, 2018

So the question is: (a) is this reasoning correct, and does May need to pass a motion to delay the vote and (b) could she pass it?

Or more pithily:

https://twitter.com/pswidlicki/status/1 ... 6744395776

Pulling the meaningful vote then losing the vote on the programme motion and it still takes place would be absolute unstoppable peak Theresa May
— Pawel Swidlicki (@pswidlicki) December 10, 2018

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 13:59 ]
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I reckon the Queen's going to be given a lot of late-night Knighting to do between now and Christmas.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:01 ]
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That would be magical.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:03 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: MaliA wrote: Vote delayed. Lolz Maybe not: https://twitter.com/HindChristopher/sta ... 8662267904 The meaningful vote has been announced in the Parliamentary schedule. Pulling it needs a vote to approve. That vote could be lost! — Christopher Hind (@HindChristopher) December 10, 2018 So the question is: (a) is this reasoning correct, and does May need to pass a motion to delay the vote and (b) could she pass it? Or more pithily: https://twitter.com/pswidlicki/status/1 ... 6744395776 Pulling the meaningful vote then losing the vote on the programme motion and it still takes place would be absolute unstoppable peak Theresa May — Pawel Swidlicki (@pswidlicki) December 10, 2018 Once again a reminder that procedures matter!

Author:	MrChris [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:05 ]
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MaliA wrote: https://twitter.com/MaliciousA/status/1072044194926157825?s=09 Decided to stir the pot. You haven't even been to Cornwall for gods sake.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:12 ]
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MaliA wrote: Vote delayed. Lolz I've been quietly humming the chorus of Kenny Roger's 'The Gambler' to myself since I heard the news.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 14:29 ]
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MaliA wrote: That would be magical. Boo https://twitter.com/cath_haddon/status/ ... 3129152512 Update: govt can just not move the motion to resume the business from last week and pull it that way. That way no-one can amend. So no they don't need business motion. https://t.co/bF2usjowsL — Dr Catherine Haddon (@cath_haddon) December 10, 2018

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:11 ]
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We did it, everyone!

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:15 ]
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Higher is good, right? Right?!

Author:	Squirt [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:15 ]
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Ha! In your face, other major developed market currencies! We're 4% more volatile than you! We win!

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:16 ]
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I assume they also included Bitcoin in that chart, but the crop is too tight.

Author:	Hero of Excellence [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:46 ]
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Weren’t Brexiteers fixated with telling us that the Euro and EU itself were on the brink of collapse, and we have to exit swiftly? Looks more like the Euro and the EU will both outlive the Sterling and the Union.

Author:	JBR [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:50 ]
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Woo! Yeah! People are just going to keep confidently predicting the death of the euro and EU until it happens. Eventually one of them will have to be right, in some form. Like doomsday cultists.

Author:	Trooper [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 16:52 ]
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May in her speech : "absolutely no doubt that this deal is the right one". "best deal that is actually negotiable with the EU" She has deferred the vote...

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 21:37 ]
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Kern wrote: I'm going to Remainiacs Live tomorrow, mostly to hear Dunt swear live in person. Heh

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 22:48 ]
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Dunt delivered.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:38 ]
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I saw this live, and it felt -- and still feels -- like a significant moment. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 4861797376 Historic Hansard record of the Government in the form of the Comptrollerof Her Majestyâ€™s Household, whip Mark Spencer stopping the historic Meaningful Vote debate on the EU Withdrawal Agreement by saying â€œTomorrowâ€, despite the protestations of Peter Bone and many other MPs pic.twitter.com/HTaRcxEOU3 — Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) December 11, 2018

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:43 ]
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That looks like someone setting out the first stages of their leadership campaign. https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/sta ... 5957588992 David Davis delivered Margaret Centre lecture last night & covered a lot of ground: * Police cuts 'serious error of judgement' - blames Treasury * Replace student loans with 'graduate contribution' system * Build garden villages across UK * Tax cutshttps://t.co/wVW1pPLGNh — Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) December 11, 2018

Author:	Kern [ Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:50 ]
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I used to respect David Davis for his views on civil liberties and the rights of Parliament v the Executive. What an utter disappointment he's become. As for leadership, of the big three Brexit boys, only Mr Gove should be a contendor. Unlike Messers Johnson and Davis, he hasn't quit his post. But, frankly, the party needs a long spell in opposition.

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