Taking the Brexit

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2018 15:03

Squirt wrote:

I am very tempted to get myself some Hue bulbs for the bedroom, so I can turn off the missus's bedside light after she dozes off with it on. I hate having to get up and walk ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BED just to be able to reach.

I can't help but feel there's an easier solution.

GazChap · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2018 15:05

Grim... wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I am very tempted to get myself some Hue bulbs for the bedroom, so I can turn off the missus's bedside light after she dozes off with it on. I hate having to get up and walk ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BED just to be able to reach.

I can't help but feel there's an easier solution.

Giphy "clap on clap off":
https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0MYBpeV7RVgmjelG/giphy-loop.mp4

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8945

Squirt wrote:

I am very tempted to get myself some Hue bulbs for the bedroom, so I can turn off the missus's bedside light after she dozes off with it on. I hate having to get up and walk ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BED just to be able to reach.

They're on 3 for 2 at meethue.com til the 30th if Amazon aren't still punting them out at >40% off now black Friday week is over.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14884

BikNorton wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I am very tempted to get myself some Hue bulbs for the bedroom, so I can turn off the missus's bedside light after she dozes off with it on. I hate having to get up and walk ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BED just to be able to reach.

They're on 3 for 2 at meethue.com til the 30th if Amazon aren't still punting them out at >40% off now black Friday week is over.

We've got a steadily growing collection. They always seem to be on some sort of offer, it's almost like the Oral B toothbrush pricing model.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2018 18:11

It's reassuring to know that post-Brexit Britain will be well lit.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2018 18:14

Well lit, bruv.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14884

In patriotic red and white!

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2018 22:56

I suppose in a way there has been some sport at the expense of the more vocal "leave the EU" crowd regarding May's deal. They can bark and snap at it, but if they reject it and a no deal gets played out and is terrible, they are to blame. If they accept it, they lose face as it is terrible, but it is the best they can get, or they can back remaining as an option.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 0:09

My fear is that if it looks likely that the government would collapse whilst Labour are on the rise, the Tory Party’s natural instinct will kick in and they’ll all suddenly return to the fold. The only thing worse than this deal to a Conservative, after all, would be a Corbyn premiership.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:12

I made the mistake of reading yesterday's exchanges in the Commons. It wasn't very enlightening, and some of the Prime Minister's responses only made me feel angry again rather than making me rethink my positions on things. I need to stop doing this and focus on looking at pictures of bears or reading about railway trains or something.

I don't think I'll watched any TV head-to-head special between the Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn either.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:23

Kern wrote:

I made the mistake of reading yesterday's exchanges in the Commons. It wasn't very enlightening, and some of the Prime Minister's responses only made me feel angry again rather than making me rethink my positions on things. I need to stop doing this and focus on looking at pictures of bears or reading about railway trains or something.

I don't think I'll watched any TV head-to-head special between the Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn either.

I don’t understand what the point of a debate would be. Two people 100% committed to Brexit, trying to influence their own parties, with no public involvement or anything to vote on.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:27

To save time, I've summarised the debate for you:

Code:

May: Immigrants!
Corbyn: The NHS!
[repeat for 90 minutes]

Hero of Excellence · **Joined:** 23rd Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 582

May versus Corbyn... Two elderly low-intellect racists repeating catchphrases at each other. Will probably join hands occasionally to spread some xenophobic hate towards foreigners, then go back to their usual stuck-record routines.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 31324

EU Council has decided that, in its view, Article 50 notification cannot be unilaterally withdrawn ie. we must leave the EU in March even if we say "no we don't want to go" unless we also get agreement from the entire EU27.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/sta ... 7988815872

Now this is interesting.

It appears EU Council's formal view is that (unless ECJ says otherwise) that unilateral revocation *not* possible.

Only by unanimous consent.

If so, this is bad news for Remainers. https://t.co/Apa0qa3JCh
— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) November 27, 2018

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 11452

I think we'd get that agreement though, in all fairness.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 31324

Hearthly wrote:

I think we'd get that agreement though, in all fairness.

You don't think (say) Spain would withhold it until it extracted some concessions over Gibraltar?

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 14:08

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Hearthly wrote:

I think we'd get that agreement though, in all fairness.

You don't think (say) Spain would withhold it until it extracted some concessions over Gibraltar?

And the rebate.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 11452

It's a possibility but I think the prize for the EU of having us look into the abyss and decide the grass wasn't greener after all, would take precedence - especially given the discontent in other EU member states at the moment. As such, them having a 'The UK tried this and baulked at it' card to play would be seen as worth having, I would think.

(I hope so, anyway. Anything that means Brexit doesn't happen I'm kind of clinging onto a bit, TBH.)

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 47153

The problem is that while the negotiators all speak as a bloc, the EU27 don't necessarily, and Britain isn't the only country capable of being stubbornly idiotic.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 15:14

Cras wrote:

The problem is that while the negotiators all speak as a bloc, the EU27 don't necessarily, and Britain isn't the only country capable of being stubbornly idiotic.

Though our British Exceptionalism dictates that we’re the best at being stubbornly idiotic.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11608

"may was on Northern Ireland to sway public opinion on her before deal."

What the fuck for, we haven't got a say in it!

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 18:59

Bobbyaro wrote:

"may was on Northern Ireland to sway public opinion on her before deal."

What the fuck for, we haven't got a say in it!

She's walking amongst her people like a modern Gloriana.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2018 19:04

Kern wrote:

Bobbyaro wrote:

"may was on Northern Ireland to sway public opinion on her before deal."

What the fuck for, we haven't got a say in it!

She's walking amongst her people like a modern Gloriana.

Or Charles 2nd.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:19

Just in time for Christmas, the Chancellor's announced that after Brexit we'll all get to live a humble and meek a life as Baby Jesus had. Hooray!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14884

I'm cool with that as long as we get the magic powers too.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:33

*concentrates on bottles of water*

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:05

*gets cross*

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 31324

https://twitter.com/katie_martin_fx/sta ... 9407351808

BOE: Worst case 'disorderly' brexit would mean 8% fall in GDP short term, unemployment 7.5%, inflation 6.5%, house prices down 30%, sterling 25% weaker.

But apart from that, all gravy
— Katie Martin (@katie_martin_fx) November 28, 2018

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14884

I honestly reckon that the average Brexiter would think that sounds like the price worth paying, at least up until it actually happened.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 1995

They just think it's a short term thing, price to be paid for future growth, etc. And if that doesn't materialise, they'll blame the implementation. This from a conversation pre-vote with my dad, who was sure it wasn't about immigration (I really hope he has changed his mind since) and that there would be a cost, but ultimately, good stuff.

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 18:12

JBR wrote:

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Unless you own a house.

devilman · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 18:13

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/ ... 8174914560

Buried in the analysis of May's Brexit deal is fact it's based on UK successfully signing new deals with US, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, Brunei, China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain. https://t.co/Y2h25BzXBs pic.twitter.com/RgXKzBoMBb
— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) November 28, 2018

Well that'll be plain sailing then.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5379

No way near as bad as the Great Recession! Poor Remoaner Snowflakes, crying because they won't be able to get their avocado and soy milk lattes!

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8146

Grim... wrote:

JBR wrote:

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Unless you own a house.

Unless you own a house and are planning on moving and upscaling soon.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 18:34

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Grim... wrote:

JBR wrote:

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Unless you own a house.

Unless you own a house and are planning on moving and upscaling soon.

Well, no, that's fine, right? In fact that's better.

If you're planning on downgrading soon, it's a bad thing.

Lonewolves · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 18:45

Grim... wrote:

JBR wrote:

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Unless you own a house.

The next house you want to buy will be cheaper too!

Lonewolves · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 18:45

I see you’ve subsequently made that point.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 2265

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Grim... wrote:

JBR wrote:

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Unless you own a house.

Unless you own a house and are planning on moving and upscaling soon.

Doesn't work if you can't sell your house because buyers are waiting for the brexit drop.

Anyone want a three bed in forest hill?

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2018 19:02

Yeah okay, cheers.

Send me the keys.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 2265

Grim... wrote:

Yeah okay, cheers.

Send me the keys.

With all the dramah with the other freeholders I would welcome a grimtervention.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8146

Grim... wrote:

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Grim... wrote:

JBR wrote:

House prices falling, well, you know, every cloud.

Unless you own a house.

Unless you own a house and are planning on moving and upscaling soon.

Well, no, that's fine, right? In fact that's better.

If you're planning on downgrading soon, it's a bad thing.

I know. I countered your counter, because that’s how countering works.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Dec 04, 2018 18:11

Government found in contempt of Parliament.

Dear god, I wish I was still studying the constitution. So many hypotheses being tested right now, and so many precedents being set to refer to in years and crises to come.

The rest of the Brexit stuff is still a shitshow, mind, but let's accentuate the positives where we can.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 20029

We seem to be in an age where it doesn't matter what a government or president does, nothing sticks. There was a time that something of this magnitude would make the PMs position untenable and she would have to resign, but these days it probably isn't even the worst thing the government has done this day...

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 47153

The era where things can be done by convention is done.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30099

Cras wrote:

The era where things can be done by convention is done.

It's practically become a convention, in fact.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 31324

The whole stupid, rotten core of the thing in one poll result

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/10 ... 6274950144

New polling on #Brexit. British adults...

Oppose May's deal by 42-26
Oppose No Deal by 41-34
Oppose remaining in EU by 45-44
Oppose 2nd referendum by 50-40
Oppose extending date when UK leaves EU by 46-34
Support renegotiating with EU if May deal fails by 45-25

ComRes Dec 4 pic.twitter.com/Qx3qHd2rXT
— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) December 4, 2018

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 20029

So... British adults literally are opposed to everything, apart from the one option that isn't available to us.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 31324

Trooper wrote:

So... British adults literally are opposed to everything, apart from the one option that isn't available to us.

Indeed. For which I broadly blame May and her government, for spending the last two years on rhetoric instead of managing expectations.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 11452

This is why referendums are a stupid fucking idea.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:31

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Trooper wrote:

So... British adults literally are opposed to everything, apart from the one option that isn't available to us.

Indeed. For which I broadly blame May and her government, for spending the last two years on rhetoric instead of managing expectations.

I think there’s plenty of blame for the opposition too, as they seem convinced that if only they were in power then there would be different coloured unicorns available.

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