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Who could have possibly predicted that Trump, who destroys everything he touches, would respond to May offering him a state visit by throwing her under a bus.

Makes sense though. Putin wants him destabilising Europe, and it's in America's interest to weaken the UK's negotiating position.

I eagerly anticipate the UK taking back power by adopting the US pharmaceutical/medical model, dropping food standards, revoking many workers rights, fully embracing the prison industrial complex etc as part of the USA trade deal it will have no choice but to make.

LewieP wrote:

And now he's saying that The Sun posted "fake news", even though there's a damn audio recording:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rexit-plan

Also perhaps can't debate the Electoral Commission findings into the Vote Leave campaign either

Everyday dairy products such as butter, yoghurt and cheese could become luxury items in Britain after Brexit, with price rises being caused by the slightest delay in the journey from farm to table, a report by the London School of Economics finds.

The LSE research, commissioned by the company behind Lurpak, Anchor and Arla brands, also found that speciality cheeses could become scarce after Brexit, with escalating costs whatever the outcome of the exit negotiations.

We can't rescind article 50 unless every other EU member state agrees.

LewieP wrote:

We can't rescind article 50 unless every other EU member state agrees.

The Treaty doesn’t even remotely say this.

This is also APoD's view.

I don't think public opinion can be shifted that far in the little time we have left. Especially given the public's ability to ignore the thus far entirely accurate warnings of economic disaster.

Called it.

Crash the country; make people demand a rethink.

Unfortunately, I don't trust her to do this competently, nor the Conservative Party to find a replacement who wouldn't accept that the fault lied with the idea rather than just the execution.

Is it Civil War time yet?

Good old Private Eye

Author:	Four_Candles [ Thu Jul 12, 2018 22:23 ]
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Interesting, if there's No Deal we'll be in a State of Emergency ..... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43241.html

Author:	LewieP [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:02 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Who could have possibly predicted that Trump, who destroys everything he touches, would respond to May offering him a state visit by throwing her under a bus. Makes sense though. Putin wants him destabilising Europe, and it's in America's interest to weaken the UK's negotiating position. I eagerly anticipate the UK taking back power by adopting the US pharmaceutical/medical model, dropping food standards, revoking many workers rights, fully embracing the prison industrial complex etc as part of the USA trade deal it will have no choice but to make.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:10 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Absurd, Kafkaesque hypocrisy: https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/sta ... 9529487360 Jacob Rees-Mogg says that Donal Trumpâ€™s intervention is justified because Brexit plan is a matter of foreign policy for the US. Obamaâ€™s intervention was unjustified because it happened on the eve of an election #Today — Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) July 13, 2018

Author:	Trooper [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:59 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Melania Trump is currently hanging out with Philip May, that must be an interesting conversation!

Author:	Hearthly [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:44 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Probably at it like rabbits.

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Author:	Four_Candles [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 19:25 ]
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LewieP wrote: Who could have possibly predicted that Trump, who destroys everything he touches, would respond to May offering him a state visit by throwing her under a bus. Makes sense though. Putin wants him destabilising Europe, and it's in America's interest to weaken the UK's negotiating position. I eagerly anticipate the UK taking back power by adopting the US pharmaceutical/medical model, dropping food standards, revoking many workers rights, fully embracing the prison industrial complex etc as part of the USA trade deal it will have no choice but to make. And now he's saying that The Sun posted "fake news", even though there's a damn audio recording: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rexit-plan

Author:	myp [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 19:28 ]
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Of course, we already know where Trump is concerned that "fake news" just means "stuff I said but now need to disown for political reasons".

Author:	Warhead [ Fri Jul 13, 2018 20:25 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Four_Candles wrote: LewieP wrote: Who could have possibly predicted that Trump, who destroys everything he touches, would respond to May offering him a state visit by throwing her under a bus. Makes sense though. Putin wants him destabilising Europe, and it's in America's interest to weaken the UK's negotiating position. I eagerly anticipate the UK taking back power by adopting the US pharmaceutical/medical model, dropping food standards, revoking many workers rights, fully embracing the prison industrial complex etc as part of the USA trade deal it will have no choice but to make. And now he's saying that The Sun posted "fake news", even though there's a damn audio recording: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rexit-plan I'm surprised he hasn't said that audio recordings can be faked and claimed that he wasn’t even interviewed by The Sun.

Author:	Malc [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:27 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Vote leave fined and reported to the police. I'd paste a link, but long pressing isn't doing anything in this text entry box.

Author:	Trooper [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:39 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Today the MPs are voting on whether they should go on holiday early. I wonder what they will choose...

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:15 ]
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Parliamentary summer recess isn’t holiday, they’re still working. It’s more like No Meetings Week, only longer.

Author:	Trooper [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:02 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
It's "can't do a no confidence vote if parliament isn't sitting" extension, as far as I can see.

Author:	Malc [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:06 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Also perhaps can't debate the Electoral Commission findings into the Vote Leave campaign either

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:09 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Malc wrote: Also perhaps can't debate the Electoral Commission findings into the Vote Leave campaign either Isn’t this a moot point as it’s now in the hands of the police

Author:	Cras [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 18:45 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
All these amendment votes are amazing. Basically what's happening is the Tory's 4 red lines on Brexit are becoming 42 red lines by force of domestic law, half of them contradictory.

Author:	Four_Candles [ Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:40 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Let's have an Article 50 petition shall we? ' Rescind Art.50 if Vote Leave has broken Electoral Laws regarding 2016 referendum ' https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223729 Signature count increasing pretty fast

Author:	Four_Candles [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:01 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Looks like there will be weekly government warnings on how to prepare for a No Deal Brexit, starting next week ............ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/publ ... -d9wd3lwbk Reddit thread ........ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/com ... al_brexit/

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:26 ]
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Heh. Just realised the irony. Heath took us into Europe but is best remembered for the lights going out; May tries to take us out and becomes remembered for the lights going out.

Author:	Malc [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:16 ]
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I really don't know, I think it's a bit confusing personally, it's not like it's football league, and the players have just been fined for racist behaviour and now it's being referred to the police. It's an inquiry into a referendum that will decide the fate of this country for decades to come, surely it should have the powers of the police here, and now they've been found guilty and fined, all that's left is to work out what to do with the result.

Author:	Trooper [ Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:43 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Nothing will happen from it, it's basically a 10% election rigging tax... Budgeting for it in your original costings in future will be the outcome, I expect.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:57 ]
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Vote Leave; end cheese. Quote: Everyday dairy products such as butter, yoghurt and cheese could become luxury items in Britain after Brexit, with price rises being caused by the slightest delay in the journey from farm to table, a report by the London School of Economics finds. The LSE research, commissioned by the company behind Lurpak, Anchor and Arla brands, also found that speciality cheeses could become scarce after Brexit, with escalating costs whatever the outcome of the exit negotiations. Guardian

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:10 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Good old British Dairylea for everyone! Take that Froggies!

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:11 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Dairylea is made in Belgium.

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:22 ]
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That's just the kind of defeatist remoaner talk that is ruining Brexit and stopping Britain from being GREAT AGAIN. You enemy of the people, you. Fake news!

Author:	myp [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:09 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
I'm over Brexit satire, tbh.

Author:	LewieP [ Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:50 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
We can't rescind article 50 unless every other EU member state agrees. I can't imagine there wouldn't be terms attached. Goodbye rebate and probably goodbye pound sterling.

Author:	markg [ Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:53 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
If there was a chance of Brexit being cancelled then why would the rest of the EU would want to jeopardise it? Surely that would be the best outcome for everyone's self-interest.

Author:	Satsuma [ Thu Jul 19, 2018 13:00 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
LewieP wrote: We can't rescind article 50 unless every other EU member state agrees. The Treaty doesn’t even remotely say this.

Author:	LewieP [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:11 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
I imagine the best advice would be "get rid of the prime minister"

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:21 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Called it. Crash the country; make people demand a rethink. Unfortunately, I don't trust her to do this competently, nor the Conservative Party to find a replacement who wouldn't accept that the fault lied with the idea rather than just the execution.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:26 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
This is also APoD's view. I don't think public opinion can be shifted that far in the little time we have left. Especially given the public's ability to ignore the thus far entirely accurate warnings of economic disaster.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:29 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
We forget how hated the old rates* were, and how any new scheme was expected to be really popular. It was only when the first poll tax bills came through that people started to realise its immense flaws. And thus became the only major policy I can think of that was passed, enacted, and repealed in the same electoral cycle. * Not in the naval sense.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:12 ]
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The poll tax really brought home the dichotomy of definitions of the word 'fair' Was it more fair for provision of council services to cost more to homes with more occupants? Yes, of course, that's just common sense. But was it more fair for provision of council services to cost more to homes with more occupants? Quite obviously and plainly not, of course.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 13:27 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Nicely put. Perhaps the same applies to 'sovereignty' or 'control'.

Author:	ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 17:44 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Cras wrote: This is also APoD's view. I don't think public opinion can be shifted that far in the little time we have left. Especially given the public's ability to ignore the thus far entirely accurate warnings of economic disaster. “View” is putting it strongly. “Hope” is more accurate.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 18:20 ]
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Kern wrote: Called it. Crash the country; make people demand a rethink. Unfortunately, I don't trust her to do this competently, nor the Conservative Party to find a replacement who wouldn't accept that the fault lied with the idea rather than just the execution. Yep, I'd love to think this is all some part of a cunning plan to make the public realise it's a stupid idea. Unfortunately I think it's more likely that we'll end up leaving with no deal, then go crawling back a few years later and rejoin on worse terms.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:10 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Another excellent post from Chris Grey. He mentions that recent poll where 51% of people said they believe no deal is better than a bad deal. I’ve often wondered what those people think no deal means. When you dig into the shrieking commenters on Twitter, they usually fall back to “but of course medicines will still arrive and planes will still fly and we’ll go to Spain on holiday, like before we joined the EU” ie. they think ‘no deal’ is ‘quite a lot of deal actually.’ It’s so frustrating. https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/sta ... 42305?s=21

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:15 ]
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Raab's first full week as Chief Brexit Guy is going well https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/10 ... 4861692928 Raab has just confirmed that there will have to be food stockpiling for a hard Brexit, although he emphasises it would mainly be done by industry rather than government — Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) July 24, 2018