Taking the Brexit

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Outstanding, as ever:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-of-lords

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Well well.

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9 ... 7792711680

FINANCIAL TIMES: May concedes on tie to customs union until Irish border resolved #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/aaC0T7jLD1
— Neil Henderson (@hendopolis) May 17, 2018

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2018 6:22

She has taken back so much control.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2018 14:05

MaliA wrote:

She has taken back so much control.

This is the Maggie Simpson model.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 13:43

Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, has said that British households are more than £900 worse off following the Brexit vote, so far.

Yay! Taking back control!

myp · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 14:30

Curiosity wrote:

Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, has said that British households are more than £900 worse off following the Brexit vote, so far.

Yay! Taking back control!

Brexiteers will say they don't care. It's the price for freedom and independence etc.

TheVision · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 15:19

I've got to be honest, I don't feel any more free now than I did this time last year. Or the year before. Or the year before that. :shrug:

myp · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 16:42

TheVision wrote:

I've got to be honest, I don't feel any more free now than I did this time last year. Or the year before. Or the year before that. :shrug:

Yes, but you're not deluding yourself on a grand scale.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2018 9:38

The Commons Select Committee on leaving the EU has published a review of progress over the last few months.

How do they think the Government are handling this?

Hilary Benn wrote:

Twenty-three months after the referendum and fourteen months since the triggering of Article 50, we still don't know what the UK's future relationship with the EU will be on trade, services, security, defence, consumer safety, data, broadcasting rights and many other things.

The clock is now running down and Parliament will need clarity and certainty by the time it is asked to vote on a draft withdrawal agreement in the autumn. We wait to see whether the promised white paper next month will provide it."

Strong and stable, eh readers?

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:30

Oh dear. This is truly the moment the Brexit Secretary jumps the shark.

Guardian wrote:

Northern Ireland could be given joint EU and UK status and a “buffer zone” on its border with Ireland, under new plans being drawn up by David Davis, according to reports.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Somebody made the simple yet perfect 'bluffer zone' comment earlier.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:20

The DUP won’t be happy with NI being treated differently from the rest of the UK!

Unless it’s about abortion or anything else they get upset about. In that case they definitely want to be different.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:25

Would another billion pounds change their mind?

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:13

One day for the Commons to debate their Lordships' amendment to the Withdrawal Bill. Boy, I love how Parliament are exercising their new found freedoms and finally taking control.

I'd write to my MP but I can't find a calm form of words and I don't think people respond well to being told they're not very good at their job.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Ah, Britain, the Mother of Parliaments, inheritor of hundreds of years of grand democratic tradition, and staffed by dignified intellectuals.

NARRATOR: it wasn't.

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/statu ... 9885836288

David Davis is ex SAS Heâ€™s trained to survive. Heâ€™s also trained to take people out. #Brexit
— Nadine Dorries (@NadineDorries) June 7, 2018

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Favourite reply on that thread

"He's barely sufficiently trained to take out the Downing Street bins"

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Jesus wept, how had I never seen this before

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/stat ... 4934184961

This is absolutely real: David Davis, in 2002, tells MPs why referendums can go badly wrong. "We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper, and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards..."
https://t.co/ypshyJrby2 pic.twitter.com/QjJ0wKOgiM
— Michael Deacon (@MichaelPDeacon) December 13, 2017

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... hardliners

Dunt, as usual, is pithy good value on just how stuck May is.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

I wanted to write something about how the vote has limited options, or seemed to, for the whole political system. But then I was distracted by

Quote:

accept the backstop and reach around the back end

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:58

Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs demonstrating an attitude towards Ireland that's got Britain a poor reputation throughout history:

Guardian wrote:

Johnson’s views were laid bare in the secret recording in which he criticised the significance the Irish border issue has taken on in the negotiations with Brussels.
“It’s so small and there are so few firms that actually use that border regularly, it’s just beyond belief that we’re allowing the tail to wag the dog in this way. We’re allowing the whole of our agenda to be dictated by this folly,” he said.

Because, Mr Johnson, 20 years of peace after essentially a forty-year long civil war is actually something worth keeping.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

It is beyond parody that he hasn't been fired.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:47

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It is beyond parody that he hasn't been fired.

He can't be fired, otherwise he'll topple May and attempt to take her place. She knows this.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6512

It's almost as if Ireland are part of some sort of "union' of countries, who have all promised to look out for each other, and therefore can't be ridden roughshod over by larger neighbours.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10078

It is all starting to seem a bit like the handbasket is already in hell and the quantum state is just trying to settle on how many of us are in Schroedinger's box with the cat.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2018 21:20

I assume you're not buying direct from Land Rover?

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2018 16:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business ... ssion=true

Discovery production to leave Brum.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:38

Phillip Lee MP, a justice minister has resigned his ministerial post.
Interesting statement, of the 'not saying Brexit's a bad idea, but what we're doing is bad' school of ambivalence. Wonder how many more will find their spines over the next few months?

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:42

Quote:

If,in the future, I am to look my children in the eye and honestly say that I did my best for them I cannot, in all good conscience, support how our country’s exit from the EU looks set to be delivered.

That is well put.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16559

tl:dr "what an absolute bollocks. Fuck this."

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:08

Check out @campbellclaret’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/stat ... 8971753472

As opposed to destroying a country on false pretences you muppet https://t.co/yNGOzhospB
— Alastair Campbell (@campbellclaret) June 12, 2018

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16559

Missed opportunity for a zinger of an Iraq comeback there, though.

myp · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:13

MaliA wrote:

Check out @campbellclaret’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/stat ... 53472?s=09

Wow, the hypocrisy.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

markg wrote:

Missed opportunity for a zinger of an Iraq comeback there, though.

I think about 500 people did it for him, looking at the replies....

Normally Campbell is a sensible, intelligent, worthy chap, but that was just silly.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2018 18:55

My MP:

https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/sta ... 0903828481

2nd day debating #EUWithdrawalBill. Spending my time listening to contributions. Please bear with me if you have contacted me. Received a vast no. of emails from constituents supporting campaigns ranging from Don't Block Brexit to Stop Brexit. Sadly won't be poss to please all.
— Victoria Prentis MP (@VictoriaPrentis) June 13, 2018

It's the 'sorry not poss...' that is pissing me off right now. I might need to reconfigure hosts.txt to send 'www.writetothem.com' to /dev/null lest I have any more more beers.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2018 20:40

1) All of what parliament is saying and doing doesn't make any sense to me. They can say "We want X and Y but not Z" and make all the noise in the world about it, but if you need XY and Z together to do anything, an have been told that, then it all becomes a stupid waste of time. It's just posturing bullshit.
2) Christ knows what "We'll abstain" is going to achieve other than being able to say "we didn't vote for it". it's cowardly.
3) Let Scotland go on its own now. They got well shafted yesterday.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

We're long past the point of Brexit going well. Everything happening in politics right not is maneuvering for a post Brexit position of being able to say 'I wasn't at fault'.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2018 22:02

MaliA wrote:

3) Let Scotland go on its own now. They got well shafted yesterday.

Pains me to say it, but I wouldn't blame them if they go their own way thanks to all of this. :attitude:

Good work, Conservative and Unionist Party, good work.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Arguably makes more sense than the actual Brexit 'policies' that are being pursued.

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DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38461

Anyone fancy a cup of tea? Karen's brought in a packet of Brexit. There's enough for everyone! Well, some of you might have to share. And some of you aren't eligible. Definitely not you, Muhammed.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:38

I'm trying to turn 'Brexit' into an adjective. As in, 'my last essay was a bit Brexit' or 'I made a complete Brexit of that date last night', but perhaps the word is just too powerful for those kinds of sentences.
Maybe it should be reserved for the most serious of cases: 'the Charge of the Light Brigade was a complete Brexit of a military action'

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:47

They're making a right fucking Brexit of Brexit.

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4668

Get To Brexiting Brexit

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:00

I'm absolutely disgusted that the Prime Minister is harping on about a 'Brexit Dividend' to pay for the NHS. A complete and utter lie. We might as well fund it from the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but that would just bring the Irish Border question up again and cause all manner of additional trouble.

Sadly, I fear we're going to see more of this kind of open deceit, now that Mr Trump has demonstrated how successful lying constantly and openly can be.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

It's so farcical as to be beyond ridicule, if ever there were a fitting scenario for the old saying 'It'd almost be funny if it weren't true', Brexit is it.

I try not to worry about it too much as it's completely out of my control, and I like to believe we won't crash out of the EU with no deal, (even accepting that any deal will be far worse than what we have now), but looking at the burning wreckage hurtling down the tracks to the cliff edge, one has to wonder.

Quote:

After all, the people who are supposed to be in charge of Brexit, the contestants on the Hate Island that is the Tory party, don’t appear to have a clue either. The negotiations with Brussels are stalled because the cabinet is still not agreed on which form of customs arrangement to propose for rejection by the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... er-worries

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:29

Hearthly wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/europe-losing-interest-brexit-soap-it-has-bigger-worries

That's a good article. He's quite right to highlight that the rest of the EU doesn't really care about this, and how insignificant we are outside of the larger bloc. Sadly this won't stop the nostalgic-Britannia-rules-the-waves Brexit fans from continuing to delude themselves that the world was happier when it was mostly pink.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

I think they (leave campaign) tapped into lying as tactic - check the official flyer, I counted four in there. And that's not including Farage's lot. The Tories continued into the election campaign, and probably still haven't learned their lesson, given the way they increased their vote.

It's short-sighted, though, short term expediency at best. Once they get properly stuck with the brand of being liars, it'll take them a long time to shift it. A bit like the sleaze tag hung around, not always justifiedly, for a long time. It is depressing and maddening, mind.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Where do I apply for my share of the Brexit dividend?

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jun 18, 2018 14:36

LewieP wrote:

Where do I apply for my share of the Brexit dividend?

Easy. Just move to Paris, Frankfurt, or Dublin.

Kris · **Joined:** 5th Jun, 2018 **Posts:** 389

Definitely on board with Dublin; get me some tasty Guinness...

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Yup:

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/stat ... 2486009857

In the Commons, Labour MPs have tried to tell ministers that there's no "Brexit dividend", so where's the money really coming from?
Each time, ministers have been able to dodge the question by saying: If there's no Brexit dividend, how come Corbyn says there is one?
— Michael Deacon (@MichaelPDeacon) June 19, 2018

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