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Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
It wouldn't have been an issue had a previous Tory administration privatised their production. |
Author: | Squirt [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I imagine British companies mint it from open procurement. We've got the sort of high-end services industry that must be constantly getting contracts from other governments for legal / financial / consultancy services. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:26 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Squirt wrote: I imagine British companies mint it from open procurement. We've got the sort of high-end services industry that must be constantly getting contracts from other governments for legal / financial / consultancy services. This. Just as other countries' industries get contracts to run our services. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:26 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Squirt wrote: I imagine British companies mint it from open procurement. We've got the sort of high-end services industry that must be constantly getting contracts from other governments for legal / financial / consultancy services. And long may our ability to export these services into the EU's expansive free trade area continue! ::finger in ear:: Wait, I'm getting some breaking news from our producers... Oh. Oh dear. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
A very level-headed take from The Sun though, credit where it's due: https://twitter.com/sarahoconnor_/statu ... 5800401920
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Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:10 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Does that £12m take into account the taxes that are lost? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: Does that £12m take into account the taxes that are lost? I doubt it, but if you spend that £12m on nurses you generate more tax revenue through them. So it's not unreasonable to ignore it. You can handwave about corporation tax paid by the British passport firm, I suppose, but then you can also put the opportunity costs of not having enough nurses on the other side of the ledger if you really want to go down this rabbit hole. |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Wait. I pay £80 for a new passport. Who's saving the £120 million? |
Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Does that £12m take into account the taxes that are lost? I doubt it, but if you spend that £12m on nurses you generate more tax revenue through them. So it's not unreasonable to ignore it. You can handwave about corporation tax paid by the British passport firm, I suppose, but then you can also put the opportunity costs of not having enough nurses on the other side of the ledger if you really want to go down this rabbit hole. Like the money will go to nurses |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: Like the money will go to nurses It will, of course, go on tax breaks for the 1% who will invest that money wisely to create jobs and make us all richer My point is your original post is a variation on the broken windows fallacy. It's not typically a good idea to pay £120m extra for the same service merely to receive the secondary economic effects it will generate. Working out where this overlaps with Keynesian stimuli is an exercise for the reader. |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:00 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Who would've thought hardcore Brexiteers were also protectionist too |
Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Like the money will go to nurses It will, of course, go on tax breaks for the 1% who will invest that money wisely to create jobs and make us all richer My point is your original post is a variation on the broken windows fallacy. It's not typically a good idea to pay £120m extra for the same service merely to receive the secondary economic effects it will generate. Working out where this overlaps with Keynesian stimuli is an exercise for the reader. My point was merely "it's complicated". |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:37 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
You can’t take the tax revenue into account because if you were to do so, you’re assuming that no economic activity would be generated in its place by those people. That’s not a reasonable assertion in a near full employment economy. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:39 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: You can’t take the tax revenue into account because if you were to do so, you’re assuming that no economic activity would be generated in its place by those people. That’s not a reasonable assertion in a near full employment economy. This is literally what I said. |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:43 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: You can’t take the tax revenue into account because if you were to do so, you’re assuming that no economic activity would be generated in its place by those people. That’s not a reasonable assertion in a near full employment economy. This is literally what I said. I have no idea how I missed your post. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 23:44 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Oh, Jeremy Corbyn. Stop sacking the people who are saying the right things. BBC: Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour's Owen Smith over referendum call Oh, Jeremy Corbyn. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
This country is ridiculous. https://twitter.com/HenryTribe/status/9 ... 7315217408
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Author: | MaliA [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:13 ] |
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amazing Quote: Consider the Conservative MP Nadine Dorries, revealed in a leaked WhatsApp exchange to have asked colleagues to explain the EU customs union to her because she was having problems defending her widely stated opposition to it. This is an almost perfect distillation of what happens when furious ignorance is afforded the same weight as evidence-based explication. Having received the required explanation, incidentally, Dorries concluded that her difficulty understanding it fully justified her opposition to membership of it.
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 19:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Let's leave the EU and take back control! https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/9 ... 1265872899
Oh. |
Author: | JBR [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:03 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Yes; that chimes with (if slightly different) a Beeb programme which looked into fishing rights and found the UK had sold - as I remember it - 90% of their fishing rights to 3 overseas companies. Rounded up from 88 and 3 became 1? Some of those companies might have been in the EU, but none of it was because of the EU. Almost as if an over-literal implementation of rules and an ideological commitment to markets above all else were to blame, rather than the EU. It is beyond bizarre that the fishermen in, say, Whitstable harbour didn't seem to have any idea about all this, and put up various messages thanking people for their support after the vote. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:56 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Finally, the take on Brexit we need. Or at least deserve. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Satsuma [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
That’s funny because I almost said Brexit instead of breakfast today. Almost. I ain’t no loon. |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 19:49 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Quote: What we have said is quite clearly you cannot negotiate everything before the divorce. We need to have an interim period when the status quo prevails. So the question then is, what is the nature of the divorce? So far if the evidence of the past few months is anything to go on, it is going to be a ‘blah, blah, blah’ divorce. It is not going to make any decisions, it is going to continue to kick things down the road. We don’t seem to have come to any difficult decisions at the moment. So the difficulty with a meaningful vote in October - which we have secured - is what is it that we are going to be agreeing on ? We have our six tests. If you hold up ‘blah, blah, blah’ to the six tests, it will probably pass it and then we leave the EU and then we are in the status quo and during that period there has to be a negotiation as to what our final relationship is going to be. So I just hope upon hope we have a general election in the meantime and the grown-ups turn up, so it is decree nisi rather than a decree absolute. Thornberry, today. "We'll cheerfully vote it through, then try and wash our hands of it and blame the Tories" Fucking shower, Labour. |
Author: | Kern [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:58 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
And as surely as night follows day, Sir Keir Starmer is reported in the Guardian that the position hasn't changed. Whilst their current ambiguity is probably tactically helpful, making it all the Tories' fault, at some point they are going to have to make a decision. I really don't have any confidence that they'll make the right one. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 13:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
"Well, first of all, what I'm clear about," begins May, before she proceeds to be clear about absolutely nothing. https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/stat ... 5607967750
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Author: | Grim... [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 14:09 ] |
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Was that transcribed by an V1 Alexa bot with dodgy hearing? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 14:13 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: Was that transcribed by an V1 Alexa bot with dodgy hearing? No, it was spoken by a v0.1 Maybot with dodgy thinking. |
Author: | DBSnappa [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 14:21 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
L-lol |
Author: | Kern [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 18:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: "Well, first of all, what I'm clear about," begins May, before she proceeds to be clear about absolutely nothing. The short news summary on Radio 3 just now said that Mrs May was promising more money for the NHS and schools because we would no longer be paying so much to the EU. Actually pretty angry and insulted by this crap. |
Author: | Warhead [ Thu Mar 29, 2018 18:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Like the money will go to nurses It will, of course, go on tax breaks for the 1% who will invest that money wisely to create jobs and make us all richer My point is your original post is a variation on the broken windows fallacy. It's not typically a good idea to pay £120m extra for the same service merely to receive the secondary economic effects it will generate. Working out where this overlaps with Keynesian stimuli is an exercise for the reader. My point was merely "it's complicated". And don’t forget the ‘Yes, Minister/Prime Minister’ effect, i.e. no matter what they do, it’ll have the opposite to the desired effect. Like having a referendum/snap general election. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 30, 2018 14:04 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Leave.EU: we have the best domain name The European Union: Hold our bier https://ec.europa.eu/info/publications/ ... n-names_en |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 30, 2018 14:30 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Leave.EU: we have the best domain name The European Union: Hold our bier https://ec.europa.eu/info/publications/ ... n-names_en Hahahahahaha! |
Author: | Kern [ Mon Apr 09, 2018 13:40 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Reassuring words from Ireland's EU commissioner, in today's Guardian: Quote: “One thing we have already learned from Brexit is that the UK does not have a better idea. It does not have a replacement for the union as a way to improve the life quality of its citizens, its businesses and its standing in the world,”
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Author: | MaliA [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:37 ] |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-polit ... ssion=true Quote: A Labour frontbencher has denounced one of the party's key Brexit policies in a recording of a questions session at a think-tank, obtained by the BBC. Barry Gardiner used colourful language to rubbish the party's pledge to secure the exact same benefits as the single market after Brexit..... Speaking about the "six tests" Labour set the government to decide whether to support the final Brexit deal in a Commons vote, he said: "Well let's just take one test - the exact same benefits. Bollocks. "Always has been bollocks and it remains it." Oh.my. |
Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Well, in part they are bollocks. Just a way to say 'yeah, we've looked at it, and we don't think this is a good way of doing it' so they reverse ferret gracefully rather than stand against the famous Will of the People (TM). Gordon Brown's six tests on Euro membership were a similar ruse to punt it off into the long grass. |
Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 13:04 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The Radio 4 newsreader just gave a naughty word warning before introducing a report where the reporter quoted Mr Gardiner verbatim. |
Author: | MaliA [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 13:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
There is often swearing in the afternoon plays! |
Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 13:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Don't really expect it on the news however. A lunchtime fuck on the Third was the most unexpected one I've heard. |
Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 13:35 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
In years to come, we'll take our great-grandchildren to the planned Museum of Brexit, and look awkward when, inspired by patriotic fervour, they ask us what we did. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 13:36 ] |
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Kern wrote: A lunchtime fuck on the Third was [...] most unexpected. |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:53 ] |
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http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... reaucratic This is good |
Author: | Bobbyaro [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:24 ] |
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"comment analy" sounds about right. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 14:31 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
MaliA wrote: http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/04/10/brexit-nightmares-britain-is-about-to-face-the-bureaucratic This is good Yes. What's disappointing is I've yet to see any evidence that those wanting to leave have either considered this or have solutions. I also see little point in writing yet again to my MP saying 'have you thought about this?' because based on previous responses I'm not going to get an informative reply unless the mood in her local party starts shifting I doubt it'd do anything. The joys of safe seats. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 15:05 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Hey, here's another entry for our on-going list of 'the Benefits of Brexit': Fondue. This is Oxfordshire wrote: A REVIVAL of the 1970's dinner party classic the cheese fondue could be down to Remainers longing to bond with the rest of Europe, an Oxford professor has claimed.
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Author: | Squirt [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 15:22 ] |
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Kern wrote: Hey, here's another entry for our on-going list of 'the Benefits of Brexit': Fondue. This is Oxfordshire wrote: A REVIVAL of the 1970's dinner party classic the cheese fondue could be down to Remainers longing to bond with the rest of Europe, an Oxford professor has claimed. Everyone knows that Fondue is just a invention of the Swiss Cheese Mafia |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 15:39 ] |
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God Damn, Nicky Santoro, again... |
Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 23:50 ] |
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Squirt wrote: Swiss Cheese Mafia Talented guys then, they mad some fucking banging choons too, lad. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I know most of my posts here are just me being flabbergasted by idiot Brexiteers but, seriously, look at the state of this https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/9 ... 3072117760
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Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:31 ] |
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Absolute morons. |
Author: | GazChap [ Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:36 ] |
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Presumably they also kicked up a stink when the US introduced their ESTA system. Oh. |
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