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Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Right. But not ones with Westminster seats. But they're still Irish and an Irish political party. So I don't see your point. That you said "the Irish" aren't on our side then went on to talk about Sinn Fein, as if they were representative of the population of the Republic of Ireland, despite being a minority single-issue party. |
Author: | Nik [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 19:06 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Sinn Fein are an Irish political party! Attachment: 939772E4-5890-4970-90A6-972348303E0C.jpeg
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Mar 10, 2018 23:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ip-446262/ Thomas Cook has added a Brexit clause to their booking terms and conditions. Reserves the right to cancel any trip after March 2019 if they cannot operate due to our loss of access to the Open Skies agreement. If that happens, I imagine they keep your money — the risk is on the consumer, not the agent. And your travel insurance won’t be interested either I suspect. Caveat emptor. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Mar 10, 2018 23:21 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Having worked in travel, I imagine they’re absolutely bricking it about what this will do to bookings. |
Author: | Cras [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 19:17 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Oh https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 0170501120
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Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 20:04 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Forecast schmorecast! We've had enough of experts. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 15:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://news.sky.com/story/boards-of-do ... q-11289411 Unilever's board is meeting today and is expected to vote to move its HQ from the UK to Holland. There are mitigating factors; one is that under Dutch corporate law, it can use legal defences against hostile takeovers, like the one last year from Heinz that it narrowly escaped. And few job losses are expected as the UK office will continue, albeit as a satellite. It's still an uncomfortable symbol of a diminished Brexit Britain though. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:36 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 3149585409
Taking back control of our borders by not having any. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:53 ] |
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Kern wrote: The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. Fun fact: I was in Majorca when that was on and had my photo taken for use in the Virgin Sun holiday brochure! |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:56 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409 Taking back control of our borders by not having any. The government is terrified, isn't it? Chickens coming home to roost. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:58 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Kern wrote: The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 2638109696
If it's not reciprocal, we're just gonna have outbound lorries stuck instead of inbound. |
Author: | GazChap [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 13:22 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Kern wrote: The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. I learned the other week about Operation Stack and I can well imagine that it's going to become rather more commonplace after we officially leave... |
Author: | Malc [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 13:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/ ... 9904645120
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 13:52 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I'm still digesting this but... some actual OK news about the Brexit process, I think? https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 7399945217
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Author: | Cras [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 14:11 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
There's a concern that they've basically just once again kicked the Ireland can further down the road, but it's certainly progress. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 14:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cras wrote: There's a concern that they've basically just once again kicked the Ireland can further down the road, but it's certainly progress. It does appear we've capitulated on some major issues eg. EU nationals arriving in the UK during the transition period. It'll be interesting to see what the Brexit press make of it. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 15:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Erm... https://www.ft.com/content/d0fc0ef2-2a0 ... 4b9f08f381 Quote: Britain’s aviation regulator is doing no preparatory work to take over responsibilities from the EU’s watchdog, EASA, after Brexit, as “it would be misleading to suggest that’s a viable option”. The striking comment was made by the chief executive of the Civil Aviation Authority in testimony to parliament’s cross-party business committee, which on Monday publishes its findings on the impact of Brexit on the aerospace sector. The MPs conclude that the UK’s buoyant aerospace sector would be irreparably damaged if it did not remain deeply integrated in Europe’s regulatory and manufacturing hubs after Britain leaves the EU. Rest of text follows... ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | myp [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 15:32 ] |
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One step forward, two steps back. |
Author: | myp [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 18:23 ] |
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Farage already calling the PM 'Theresa the Appeaser' which would be quite funny under different circumstances. |
Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 22:53 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
On a personal level and this is really quite trivial but sums up the disconnect; playing Words with Friends against a stranger, and as we are chatting they mention how they'd like to move out to Southern Europe, somewhere warmer than Manchester, and maybe to retire there, even though they voted to leave |
Author: | Squirt [ Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:33 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cras wrote: There's a concern that they've basically just once again kicked the Ireland can further down the road, but it's certainly progress. There isn't an awful lot of road left is there? Everything has to be fully signed and sealed by this time next year, which surely means it has to be basically done within 6 months to allow for all the ratification that needs to take place. I can't see anything happening by then that will prevent the fallback position of Northern Ireland remaining in the CU/SI. God only knows what will happen when May formally announces the arrangements for that. |
Author: | Bobbyaro [ Tue Mar 20, 2018 13:44 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I think the chances of May formally announcing anything are pretty slim. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 16:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://www.ft.com/content/f1411812-21f ... itStory3UK Quote: EU rejects UK’s plans for post-Brexit trade relationship
Brussels instructs negotiators to take austere approach to trade talks The EU has forcefully rebuffed Theresa May’s vision for trade after Brexit, laying out a narrow view of future relations with the UK and warning of the “negative economic consequences” of her choices. Donald Tusk, the European Council president, circulated draft guidelines instructing EU negotiators to take an austere approach, with severely limited arrangements for services and regulatory co-operation. No mention of financial services is made. “The European Council has to take into account the repeatedly stated positions of the UK, which limit the depth of such a future partnership. Being outside the customs union and the single market will inevitably lead to frictions,” the guidelines state. “Divergence in external tariffs and internal rules as well as absence of common institutions and a shared legal system, necessitates checks and controls to uphold the integrity of the EU Single Market as well as of the UK market. This unfortunately will have negative economic consequences.” The guidelines running to 5-6 pages are the most detailed presentation yet of the EU’s goals for future relations, cast as a response to London’s proposals. It sketches an economic relationship based around a free-trade agreement that could maintain zero tariffs and quotas on goods, but stops short of the kind of “dynamic” alignment of market rules sought by Britain. The text says any future UK-EU relationship should be overseen by the European Court of Justice in cases of dispute settlement, which will also include the possibility of “sanctions and cross retaliation measures”. It also rules out prime minister May’s desire for Britian to stay part of EU agencies such as the European Medicines Agency after Brexit. “The Union will preserve its autonomy as regards its decision-making, which excludes participation of the United Kingdom as a third-country to EU Institutions, agencies or bodies”, says the draft. The guidelines are the EU27’s first attempt to sketch out a vision for a future EU-UK trade relationship and are subject to negotiation, EU leaders are pressing Ms May for more clarity on her demands. The text states that should the UK’s position “evolve”, the EU “will be prepared to reconsider its offer”. Other side agreements would seek to maintain as close a relationship as possible with a non-EU member across justice, security, aviation and fisheries. |
Author: | Kern [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 16:16 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Quote: The text states that should the UK’s position “evolve”, the EU “will be prepared to reconsider its offer”. That's as close to saying 'for fuck's sake you should have some idea by now' as is diplomatically possible. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 16:21 ] |
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If we could somehow harness Barnier's endless inner screaming for good, we could generate clean energy for the power. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The Daily Mail is losing its mind over the blue passports being manufactured in France. I thought they wanted to open our trade up to the world? Very confusing. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: The Daily Mail is losing its mind over the blue passports being manufactured in France. I thought they wanted to open our trade up to the world? Very confusing. Why would its readers want passports anyway? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:17 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Watching Leavers turn on Hannan in the replies to this: A+++ would schadenfreude again. https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/statu ... 4232166400
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Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Damn those Hanoverians for giving up our claim to the French throne and removing it from the Royal Arms. That would have really shown 'em. But hey, every 'Great Free Trade Deal' (TM ) we get will include open procurement rules. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
It wouldn't have been an issue had a previous Tory administration privatised their production. |
Author: | Squirt [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I imagine British companies mint it from open procurement. We've got the sort of high-end services industry that must be constantly getting contracts from other governments for legal / financial / consultancy services. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:26 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Squirt wrote: I imagine British companies mint it from open procurement. We've got the sort of high-end services industry that must be constantly getting contracts from other governments for legal / financial / consultancy services. This. Just as other countries' industries get contracts to run our services. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:26 ] |
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Squirt wrote: I imagine British companies mint it from open procurement. We've got the sort of high-end services industry that must be constantly getting contracts from other governments for legal / financial / consultancy services. And long may our ability to export these services into the EU's expansive free trade area continue! ::finger in ear:: Wait, I'm getting some breaking news from our producers... Oh. Oh dear. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
A very level-headed take from The Sun though, credit where it's due: https://twitter.com/sarahoconnor_/statu ... 5800401920
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Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:10 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Does that £12m take into account the taxes that are lost? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: Does that £12m take into account the taxes that are lost? I doubt it, but if you spend that £12m on nurses you generate more tax revenue through them. So it's not unreasonable to ignore it. You can handwave about corporation tax paid by the British passport firm, I suppose, but then you can also put the opportunity costs of not having enough nurses on the other side of the ledger if you really want to go down this rabbit hole. |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Wait. I pay £80 for a new passport. Who's saving the £120 million? |
Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Does that £12m take into account the taxes that are lost? I doubt it, but if you spend that £12m on nurses you generate more tax revenue through them. So it's not unreasonable to ignore it. You can handwave about corporation tax paid by the British passport firm, I suppose, but then you can also put the opportunity costs of not having enough nurses on the other side of the ledger if you really want to go down this rabbit hole. Like the money will go to nurses |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: Like the money will go to nurses It will, of course, go on tax breaks for the 1% who will invest that money wisely to create jobs and make us all richer My point is your original post is a variation on the broken windows fallacy. It's not typically a good idea to pay £120m extra for the same service merely to receive the secondary economic effects it will generate. Working out where this overlaps with Keynesian stimuli is an exercise for the reader. |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:00 ] |
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Who would've thought hardcore Brexiteers were also protectionist too |
Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 13:18 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Like the money will go to nurses It will, of course, go on tax breaks for the 1% who will invest that money wisely to create jobs and make us all richer My point is your original post is a variation on the broken windows fallacy. It's not typically a good idea to pay £120m extra for the same service merely to receive the secondary economic effects it will generate. Working out where this overlaps with Keynesian stimuli is an exercise for the reader. My point was merely "it's complicated". |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:37 ] |
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You can’t take the tax revenue into account because if you were to do so, you’re assuming that no economic activity would be generated in its place by those people. That’s not a reasonable assertion in a near full employment economy. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:39 ] |
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: You can’t take the tax revenue into account because if you were to do so, you’re assuming that no economic activity would be generated in its place by those people. That’s not a reasonable assertion in a near full employment economy. This is literally what I said. |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 17:43 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: You can’t take the tax revenue into account because if you were to do so, you’re assuming that no economic activity would be generated in its place by those people. That’s not a reasonable assertion in a near full employment economy. This is literally what I said. I have no idea how I missed your post. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 23, 2018 23:44 ] |
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Oh, Jeremy Corbyn. Stop sacking the people who are saying the right things. BBC: Jeremy Corbyn sacks Labour's Owen Smith over referendum call Oh, Jeremy Corbyn. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:50 ] |
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This country is ridiculous. https://twitter.com/HenryTribe/status/9 ... 7315217408
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Author: | MaliA [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:13 ] |
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amazing Quote: Consider the Conservative MP Nadine Dorries, revealed in a leaked WhatsApp exchange to have asked colleagues to explain the EU customs union to her because she was having problems defending her widely stated opposition to it. This is an almost perfect distillation of what happens when furious ignorance is afforded the same weight as evidence-based explication. Having received the required explanation, incidentally, Dorries concluded that her difficulty understanding it fully justified her opposition to membership of it.
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 19:51 ] |
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Let's leave the EU and take back control! https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/9 ... 1265872899
Oh. |
Author: | JBR [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:03 ] |
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Yes; that chimes with (if slightly different) a Beeb programme which looked into fishing rights and found the UK had sold - as I remember it - 90% of their fishing rights to 3 overseas companies. Rounded up from 88 and 3 became 1? Some of those companies might have been in the EU, but none of it was because of the EU. Almost as if an over-literal implementation of rules and an ideological commitment to markets above all else were to blame, rather than the EU. It is beyond bizarre that the fishermen in, say, Whitstable harbour didn't seem to have any idea about all this, and put up various messages thanking people for their support after the vote. |
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