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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 18:18 ] |
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The government's super-secret Brexit forecast doc has been released. One highlight: https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 2071555072
Worth noting that tiny, tiny "things that might get better after Brexit" blue box is a possible future FTA with the USA. This predates Trump starting a trade war, however. Yeah. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:06 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Uh oh. https://twitter.com/Independent/status/ ... 0375539712
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
It feels rather like the wheels are about to fall off. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:14 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: It feels rather like the wheels are about to fall off. Remember it won't be our fault at all. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:15 ] |
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Come on fellow Remoaners, one last push of common fucking sense. Please! |
Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:15 ] |
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It's funny, I tend to imagine the EU as French, German continentals, but something just flipped in my head that made me realise that Ireland is very definitely 'on the other side'. Must be a 'they speak English' thing |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:16 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: It's funny, I tend to imagine the EU as French, German continentals, but something just flipped in my head that made me realise that Ireland is very definitely 'on the other side'. Must be a 'they speak English' thing Na, just 1000 years of colonialism. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:16 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: It's funny, I tend to imagine the EU as French, German continentals, but something just flipped in my head that made me realise that Ireland is very definitely 'on the other side'. Must be a 'they speak English' thing Had Scotland left, we would be doing exactly the same as the EU is to us. You left, your problem. We've got our people and interests to protect. |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:17 ] |
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The Irish are very much on the other side. Predominantly because of colonialism. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:20 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: Come on fellow Remoaners, one last push of common fucking sense. Please! I wish I'd kept my MP's election leaflet from last year. I threw it out in anger as she was just saying how there would be 'no turning back' and how north Oxfordshire's businesses were in a great position to take advantage of the 'opportunities' offered by Brexit. Naturally, I emailed her to ask what these were. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:23 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: Come on fellow Remoaners, one last push of common fucking sense. Please! I don't see any hope there. May is too weak to resist the headbangers and shallow opportunists who are, in effect, running the country now. Johnson, just last night: Quote: The Foreign Secretary responded “I’ve never been one of those who is apprehensive about the so-called no deal scenario. No deal is better than a bad deal.” When challenged by restless audience members over a perceived lack of no deal preparations he responded “I know it may hold terrors for you. It doesn’t hold terrors for me.”
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Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Right, so we've reached the 'Christian Scientist with Appendicitis' stage. |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: The Irish are very much on the other side. Predominantly because of colonialism. Predominantly I would suggest because they have the common sense to know two things: 1) Having 25 friends is better than having 1 friend 2) Especially when the 1 friend is threatening a return to violence at your northern border There's little of the 'anti-english' about it, from what I've seen, if anything it's the opposite, and they're better able to deal in practical realities rather than emotional responses. And their leadership is slightly less of a bunch of knobends. |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:59 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:10 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ans-brexit |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:13 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are |
Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Oh man, can you imagine the shit storm if Irish Nationalists stopped Brexit!? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:32 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Oh man, can you imagine the shit storm if Irish Nationalists stopped Brexit!? Can you imagine the shitstorm if they don't and the worst happens? The worst case scenario is a hard border, the end of the Good Friday agreement, and the return of sectarian violence. It puts Sinn Fein further from its stated goals of Irish unification than ever. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:52 ] |
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You could say it's a complex issue that can't be properly explored with a simple yes/no vote... |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:03 ] |
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Cras wrote: Lonewolves wrote: I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are Sinn Fein are an Irish political party! |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:10 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: You could say it's a complex issue that can't be properly explored with a simple yes/no vote... That would be an ecumenical matter. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:11 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Lonewolves wrote: I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are Sinn Fein are an Irish political party! They're not, though. That's their self-image, but as they are elected by British citizens to a British parliament I'm pretty sure they're a British party. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:12 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: British citizens to a British parliament I'm pretty sure they're a British party. Careful saying that in Derry. |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Lonewolves wrote: I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are Sinn Fein are an Irish political party! They're not, though. That's their self-image, but as they are elected by British citizens to a British parliament I'm pretty sure they're a British party. Joyce [map] [/map] |
Author: | Malc [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:19 ] |
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Northern Ireland is not part of Britain, it is part of the United Kingdom. |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:22 ] |
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Malc wrote: Northern Ireland is not part of Britain, it is part of the United Kingdom. That is correct. It definitely isn't part of Ireland though. Unless you're talking about Ireland rather than Ireland. |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:26 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Lonewolves wrote: I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so. You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are Sinn Fein are an Irish political party! They're not, though. That's their self-image, but as they are elected by British citizens to a British parliament I'm pretty sure they're a British party. Psst, they have MPs in the south too. |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:31 ] |
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Right. But not ones with Westminster seats. |
Author: | myp [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:34 ] |
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Cras wrote: Right. But not ones with Westminster seats. But they're still Irish and an Irish political party. So I don't see your point. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:47 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Right. But not ones with Westminster seats. But they're still Irish and an Irish political party. So I don't see your point. I'm pretty comfortable saying that you're not an Irish politician if you don't serve in the Irish parliament or work for the Irish government. The alternative is semantic chaos. I understand Sinn Fein's stance and where it comes from, but it's rhetoric. |
Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 13:51 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Right. But not ones with Westminster seats. But they're still Irish and an Irish political party. So I don't see your point. That you said "the Irish" aren't on our side then went on to talk about Sinn Fein, as if they were representative of the population of the Republic of Ireland, despite being a minority single-issue party. |
Author: | Nik [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 19:06 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: Sinn Fein are an Irish political party! Attachment: 939772E4-5890-4970-90A6-972348303E0C.jpeg
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Mar 10, 2018 23:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ip-446262/ Thomas Cook has added a Brexit clause to their booking terms and conditions. Reserves the right to cancel any trip after March 2019 if they cannot operate due to our loss of access to the Open Skies agreement. If that happens, I imagine they keep your money — the risk is on the consumer, not the agent. And your travel insurance won’t be interested either I suspect. Caveat emptor. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Mar 10, 2018 23:21 ] |
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Having worked in travel, I imagine they’re absolutely bricking it about what this will do to bookings. |
Author: | Cras [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 19:17 ] |
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Oh https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 0170501120
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Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 20:04 ] |
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Forecast schmorecast! We've had enough of experts. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 15:08 ] |
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https://news.sky.com/story/boards-of-do ... q-11289411 Unilever's board is meeting today and is expected to vote to move its HQ from the UK to Holland. There are mitigating factors; one is that under Dutch corporate law, it can use legal defences against hostile takeovers, like the one last year from Heinz that it narrowly escaped. And few job losses are expected as the UK office will continue, albeit as a satellite. It's still an uncomfortable symbol of a diminished Brexit Britain though. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:36 ] |
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 3149585409
Taking back control of our borders by not having any. |
Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:53 ] |
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Kern wrote: The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. Fun fact: I was in Majorca when that was on and had my photo taken for use in the Virgin Sun holiday brochure! |
Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:56 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409 Taking back control of our borders by not having any. The government is terrified, isn't it? Chickens coming home to roost. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:58 ] |
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Kern wrote: The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 2638109696
If it's not reciprocal, we're just gonna have outbound lorries stuck instead of inbound. |
Author: | GazChap [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 13:22 ] |
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Kern wrote: The government are probably remembering the 2000 fuel crisis and how bad pictures of lorries not moving will be for their popularity. I learned the other week about Operation Stack and I can well imagine that it's going to become rather more commonplace after we officially leave... |
Author: | Malc [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 13:51 ] |
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https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/ ... 9904645120
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Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 13:52 ] |
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I'm still digesting this but... some actual OK news about the Brexit process, I think? https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 7399945217
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Author: | Cras [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 14:11 ] |
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There's a concern that they've basically just once again kicked the Ireland can further down the road, but it's certainly progress. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 14:28 ] |
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Cras wrote: There's a concern that they've basically just once again kicked the Ireland can further down the road, but it's certainly progress. It does appear we've capitulated on some major issues eg. EU nationals arriving in the UK during the transition period. It'll be interesting to see what the Brexit press make of it. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 15:07 ] |
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Erm... https://www.ft.com/content/d0fc0ef2-2a0 ... 4b9f08f381 Quote: Britain’s aviation regulator is doing no preparatory work to take over responsibilities from the EU’s watchdog, EASA, after Brexit, as “it would be misleading to suggest that’s a viable option”. The striking comment was made by the chief executive of the Civil Aviation Authority in testimony to parliament’s cross-party business committee, which on Monday publishes its findings on the impact of Brexit on the aerospace sector. The MPs conclude that the UK’s buoyant aerospace sector would be irreparably damaged if it did not remain deeply integrated in Europe’s regulatory and manufacturing hubs after Britain leaves the EU. Rest of text follows... ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | myp [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 15:32 ] |
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One step forward, two steps back. |
Author: | myp [ Mon Mar 19, 2018 18:23 ] |
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Farage already calling the PM 'Theresa the Appeaser' which would be quite funny under different circumstances. |
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