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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:29 
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The weirdest thing is seeing arseholes on Twitter like Guido Fawkes and Julia Hartley-Brewer crowing about how this is a Hard Brexit and how all the Remainers will be crying today, and how May has achieved everything amazingly well.

And there’s starting to be a slow dawning realisation that they got almost nothing that they wanted.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 
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Gove makes my skin crawl.

Mine too but to his credit I read the other day that he had said some good things about soil. They should just make him the minister for soil.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 
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Right, so the government conceded on having talks in parallel regrading leaving and trade, the government will pay £50 billion to leave, regulations will be startlingly similar, being outside customs union makes trade harder, and the courts might still refer things to the ECJ.

That's good skills, there.


Still a weird agreement...monday's seemed quite well form my point of view... but then the DUPpers used their trump card.. on that point they have now basically said 'well, as long as UK will fix that, it's ok'.. so are they counting on a future without the DUP to arrange this point?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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MaliA wrote:
Gove makes my skin crawl.

Mine too but to his credit I read the other day that he had said some good things about soil. They should just make him the minister for soil.

They made him the minister for soiling Britain. Close enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Looks like we got out just in time, EU is proposing to mess with Doner Kebabs :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Looks like we got out just in time, EU is proposing to mess with Doner Kebabs :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363


Kebabs and blue passports. Great, that's the number of benefits of leaving doubled.

Of course, as a free and sovereign nation (TM), Parliament will look at the issue, consider it, then follow what the EU wants us to do because of regulatory alignment. But it'll be a free decision, so that's ok then.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If I was the EU I'd definitely have made red passports one of the conditions to move on with negotiations. Just for the LOLs.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If I was the EU I'd definitely have made red passports one of the conditions to move on with negotiations. Just for the LOLs.


I'd make British officials get on their knees before any meeting, just to emphasise the status of the relationship.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Same. It's much nicer than navy

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Same. It's much nicer than navy


It's the royal crest that annoys me most. I'd much prefer a railway train.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 17:55 
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Just finished Nick Clegg's book on how to stop Brexit. The first half goes over the current situation but hasn't told me anything new. The meat of the book is in the second half and some of his solutions are clever, workable, yet sadly likely to be ignored.

Readable but glad I got it from the library so only paid the reservation fee.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-for-uk

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After a week that saw May reach a deal with the EU that will allow Brexit talks to move forward on to future trade relations, EU officials insisted a bespoke deal more favourable to the UK than other non-EU nations was out of the question.

One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”


Quelle surprise.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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David Davis TALKING BRITAIN DOWN.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 21:48 
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My MP continues to impress me:

https://twitter.com/S_Hammond/status/941039278871728128




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Sun running with a headline that Britain will enter an 'overtime bonanza' as we leave the EU and exit the Working Time Directive, meaning that employees will be able to do more overtime hours and earn more money.

The WTD is already opt-out, so there's absolutely nothing stopping that happening today. All the WTD does is prevent employers from _forcing_ employees to work an excessive number of hours. How can they possibly have the gall to spin this as a positive outcome?!

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I was pretty sure Mr Gove et al had promised to protect workers' rights. This pledge must have gone the way of the £350 million a week for the NHS.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well they are selling it as protecting workers' rights to work more hours, which is insane.

(Let's not forget there's lots of other stuff tied into the same legislation as the WTD, like the right to paid vacation)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's ludicrous. They know exactly what they're doing though.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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"And do not suppose this is the end, this is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in olden time."

Churchill. Who was pro-EU, incidentally.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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There is no way any overtime will be paid at a higher rate, though, if at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:25 
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According to the news this morning, the Cabinet will discuss what they want our final relationship with the EU to look like. This really should have been done before they activated Article 50. What a pathetic way to run a country.

It's one thing to do something I don't agree with. It's a whole bigger problem when you do it so incompetently.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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According to the news this morning, the Cabinet will discuss what they think the Daily Mail wants us to do next.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Bloody love Bercow.

"You are never mutineers, never traitors, never malcontents, never enemies of the people" - the Speaker's message to MPs after hearing stories of online abuse. https://t.co/0uU5bfGXK9

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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This leaflet was waiting for me in my letter box today:


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Expect to hear more of the 'betrayal' line over the next few months. Like 'Doctor Who' fans, Brexit lovers will spend their lives debating when it was ruined forever.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Beautiful

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Beautiful

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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In a debate on vaping yesterday, Lord Wallace made an interesting contribution:

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Could the Minister possibly encourage his colleagues to consider publishing a list of EU regulations which are there primarily because British lobbies with the support of British Ministers have pushed them on to the EU? I am thinking in particular of animal welfare, as well as a lot of health and smoking regulations. It would help to educate opinion in this country as to what sort of regulations might be likely to diverge after we leave, and which will not.

Lord O'Shaughnessy

Anyone who really wants to find out how many regulations there are provided by the EU can find that online, and I am sure that it would be a wonderful way to spend a weekend. I am just going to bother myself with the ones that have been dedicated to the health area. We are, of course, looking at everything within that realm to make sure that, when we leave the European Union, we end up with the best possible health regime.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Meanwhile, in the Commons, the Health Secretary showed an appropriate level of urgency to ensure continuity of provision for the NHS after the Glorious Day (TM).

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  Last week the Brexit Secretary stated that UK membership of EU agencies is unlikely to continue beyond March 2019, so what provision has the Secretary of State for Health made to replace the European Chemicals Agency, which regulates the raw chemicals required by the pharmaceutical industry to produce drugs in the UK? [903041]

Mr Hunt :
That area will obviously be very important in the negotiations, but we have made our preference clear: a deep and special partnership with the EU in which the benefits of co-operation that we currently have can continue.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I've met Lord W as part of that other thing I do. He's really nice.

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I've met Lord W as part of that other thing I do.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Sector analyses released to the general public!

https://twitter.com/CommonsEUexit/statu ... 4673587201




I've looked at the ICT one, and I'm not convinced it will help businesses to make the sort of complex decisions leaving the EU will bring up.


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A Labour government might not be as bad as Brexit, claims Heseltine.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I can't decide if Tony Blair or John Humphries was the least convincing this morning. Mr Humphries' line of questioning was pretty obvious, yet Mr Blair failed to block them the way it did.

The simple response to the 'why have a second referendum, we've already decided' point is 'nobody knew what Brexit would like', but it took the former prime minister ages to actually say that.


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Our government: “no deal is better than a bad deal”

Also our government: “OMG the evil EU is preparing for a no-deal scenario, please stop them”

We are being led by idiots.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Our government: “no deal is better than a bad deal”


In Tim Shipman's 'Fallout' (yeah, spoilers), he argues that the Prime Minister is approaching the negotiations in the same way she approached the justice/home affairs opt outs when she was home secretary: leave everything then come back into the ones you want. I'm not sure this was ever going to be a goer in a situation where the EU will treat UK as a third country.


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It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.

Quite. It’s a misplaced belief in British exceptionalism; it’s not even conscious, I think, but rather a genuine bone-deep inability to grasp any possibility other than “Of course they need us too much to not accommodate us. We’re special!”

Or as I put it last year: https://twitter.com/penllawen/status/858021766882611201




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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That was back when Mrs May was going to be the new Boudica, wasn't it? Feels like so long ago now, and Mr Cameron is practically ancient history.

I'm still shocked that the loss of their majority hasn't stopped the Tories from toning down their ambitions or working towards a more pragmatic compromise, but then with Mr Corbyn being a useful idiot on this they don't really need to.


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Kern wrote:
It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.

Quite. It’s a misplaced belief in British exceptionalism; it’s not even conscious, I think, but rather a genuine bone-deep inability to grasp any possibility other than “Of course they need us too much to not accommodate us. We’re special!”


We can just send the navy round to fire off a warning shot and that tends to sort things.


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.

Quite. It’s a misplaced belief in British exceptionalism; it’s not even conscious, I think, but rather a genuine bone-deep inability to grasp any possibility other than “Of course they need us too much to not accommodate us. We’re special!”


The strange thing is that this hasn't been true for decades - Britain is important, but hasn't been irreplaceable to the EU for ages, surely since before the beginnings of the careers of all the politicians involved. It's like some odd collective memory from the 1880s that's still hanging around.


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I think the government's surprised by the solidarity of the other 27. They were probably hoping to buy each country off, one by one, but they aren't facing the divided Europe they were expecting.


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Fucking embarrassing.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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how is this real life

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