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Author:  Kern [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 15:44 ]
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MaliA wrote:
It reminds me of this


:DD Apt.

Author:  Squirt [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 16:47 ]
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It would be quite something if the offer put forward by the UK Government is accepted by the EU, but rejected by the UK Government.

Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:06 ]
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The DUP have said they will categorically not vote for anything that sees NI and rUK diverge in any way.

So there goes the majority if they want to change the status of NI.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:18 ]
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Squirt wrote:
It would be quite something if the offer put forward by the UK Government is accepted by the EU, but rejected by the UK Government.


I think this will happen, mainly because it's such a mess to begin with, and the pointless, stupid, rhetoric spewed daily which does nothing means if must be so.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:19 ]
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Would be a strong and dangerous tactical play for the rest of the opposition to use NI as a tactical porn at the last gasp of brexit negotiations to force a no confidence issue.

Author:  Trousers [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:19 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
... tactical porn ....


Name of Kern's sex tape

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:19 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
...tactical porn...

Is that one with camo pants?

edit: damn you, Trousers!

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:22 ]
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Well. That was an interesting choice.

Author:  Trousers [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 17:48 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
...tactical porn...

Is that one with camo pants?

edit: damn you, Trousers!


By a matter of seconds.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 18:13 ]
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https://twitter.com/spleenal/status/937662411783462913



Author:  Squirt [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 18:16 ]
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Presumably this would mean that any future trade deals the UK signs will be filled with little asterisks saying "BTW, this bit doesn't apply to Northern Ireland".

Author:  Squirt [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 18:27 ]
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Cras wrote:
https://twitter.com/spleenal/status/937662411783462913

I like these suicide machines as a Brexit Metaphor

Giphy "suicide machine":
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Q2XQna3gHWDrW/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:  Squirt [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 18:27 ]
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Well, a machine whose action is to slowly destroy itself, rather than a Panda with an automatic rifle.

Author:  MrChris [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 21:34 ]
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What an absolute clusterfuck.

Still, that's the world all over at the moment. Now, more the ever, I do wonder what sort of a world we're leaving for Keith Richards.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 21:42 ]
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This is fucking embarrassing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Tweet

Quote:
Confidence early on Monday that an agreement was within reach came to nothing when, during a working lunch with the European commission president, Jean Claude Juncker, May was forced to pause discussions to take a call from Arlene Foster.

The unionist leader, whose party currently provides the Tories with a working majority in the Commons, told the British prime minister that she could not support Downing Street’s planned commitment to keep Northern Ireland aligned with EU laws.

In London, Tory Brexiters, including Iain Duncan Smith and Jacob Rees-Mogg, told the Brexit minister Steve Baker, and the prime minister’s chief of staff, Gavin Barwell, that they were also rallying behind the DUP’s stance.

Lord Trimble, a former first minister of Northern Ireland told the Guardian said Tory MPs at the meeting had shown “unanimous backing for opposition to the draft proposal he said was “minted in Dublin”.

The development raises fresh questions about May’s ability to deliver on any deal she proposes to the 27 member states, and has filled diplomats in Brussels with a deep foreboding for future talks, should they develop in the new year to take in the future relationship.

Diplomats were waiting for two hours in a negotiating room at the Council of Ministers headquarters, for a meeting that had been planned to follow the Juncker-May lunch. When it became clear the two sides could not get an agreement, the officials were sent home.

Author:  MrChris [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 21:59 ]
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Yes, that was what I just saw on the news... fucking embarrassment

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 23:58 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Yes, that was what I just saw on the news... fucking embarrassment

Happy birthday!

Author:  markg [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:04 ]
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Amazing! This is just the warm up as well. I wonder how much of a shitshow it will be if/when they ever get to the actual negotiations.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:13 ]
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I'm so impressed that the opposition party are taking so many shots at this massive open goal and about to bring the government down.

Oh, sorry. Wrong timeline.

Author:  Trousers [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:21 ]
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Kern wrote:
I'm so impressed that the opposition party are taking so many shots at this massive open goal and about to bring the government down.

Oh, sorry. Wrong timeline.


Even refused to go on Today this morning after the DUP and Tories had already knocked it back. Kier Starmer could have gone on and kicked the absolute shit out of the process but no, sit on your fucking hands and get the outcome you want and fuck the consequences just hoping it leads to a Tory collapse so you can get your hands on the reins of power just as the entire country is heading off a cliff.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:29 ]
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Yeah, you don't even have to worry about upsetting Brexit supporters. Just bang on about 'Tory Brexit causing chaos' and everyone would be happy. But no.

To have a Prime Minister being destroyed by Europe is par for the course for contemporary British Conservatives; to be destroyed by Ireland is practically historical re-enactment. To be undone by both would be a towering achievement for her.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:33 ]
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Squirt wrote:
Well, a machine whose action is to slowly destroy itself.


Pandas eat the wrong things, do little exercise, and fail to have sex.

Author:  devilman [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:39 ]
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Kern wrote:
Squirt wrote:
Well, a machine whose action is to slowly destroy itself.


Pandas eat the wrong things, do little exercise, and fail to have sex.


Well that saves me completing one of those 'which animal are you?' quizzes

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:54 ]
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Trousers wrote:
Kern wrote:
I'm so impressed that the opposition party are taking so many shots at this massive open goal and about to bring the government down.

Oh, sorry. Wrong timeline.


Even refused to go on Today this morning after the DUP and Tories had already knocked it back. Kier Starmer could have gone on and kicked the absolute shit out of the process but no, sit on your fucking hands and get the outcome you want and fuck the consequences just hoping it leads to a Tory collapse so you can get your hands on the reins of power just as the entire country is heading off a cliff.


Oh, bloody hell.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:06 ]
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Kern wrote:
Yeah, you don't even have to worry about upsetting Brexit supporters. Just bang on about 'Tory Brexit causing chaos' and everyone would be happy. But no.

To have a Prime Minister being destroyed by Europe is par for the course for contemporary British Conservatives; to be destroyed by Ireland is practically historical re-enactment. To be undone by both would be a towering achievement for her.


Totally agree. It's painfully dire.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:07 ]
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Kern wrote:
Yeah, you don't even have to worry about upsetting Brexit supporters. Just bang on about 'Tory Brexit causing chaos' and everyone would be happy. But no.

"Faced with an open goal, Mr Corbyn picks up a tennis racket."

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:25 ]
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devilman wrote:
Kern wrote:
Squirt wrote:
Well, a machine whose action is to slowly destroy itself.


Pandas eat the wrong things, do little exercise, and fail to have sex.

Well that saves me completing one of those 'which animal are you?' quizzes


Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
Yeah, you don't even have to worry about upsetting Brexit supporters. Just bang on about 'Tory Brexit causing chaos' and everyone would be happy. But no.

"Faced with an open goal, Mr Corbyn picks up a tennis racket."


Both of these get a sizeable "good work, fellow".

Author:  Pundabaya [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:15 ]
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devilman wrote:
Kern wrote:
Squirt wrote:
Well, a machine whose action is to slowly destroy itself.


Pandas eat the wrong things, do little exercise, and fail to have sex.


Well that saves me completing one of those 'which animal are you?' quizzes


:this:

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 13:07 ]
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May can't even get a meeting with Arlene Foster now. Remind me which one is running the country?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... g_share_tw

Author:  Squirt [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 13:29 ]
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Half of me feels sorry for May - she's in a basically no-win situation now, with no real way to square the hard Brexit press and backbenchers against the grinding realities that are now hitting home, and she doesn't appear to be up to the task of handling it. Then I remember that it's her own bloody fault she's here, and she really could have sorted all this out before notifying under Article 50 and then calling a snap election and drawing arbitrary red lines everywhere and taking 6 months to agree something that could have been sorted in the first week and I stop.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 14:18 ]
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Ooooh

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/ ... 5969030144



Author:  devilman [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 18:54 ]
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Still playing that Brexit bus game when I get a spare five minutes at work. It's quite relaxing.

Attachment:
brexit.PNG

Author:  myp [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 18:55 ]
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Ever played Trials? You would like those.

Author:  devilman [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 19:12 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Ever played Trials? You would like those.


Yeah, I had one on XBLA and I've got one on Steam I think.. they were more frustrating than therapeutic at times though :)

Author:  Kern [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:43 ]
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Kern wrote:
I'm so impressed that the opposition party are taking so many shots at this massive open goal and about to bring the government down.

Oh, sorry. Wrong timeline.


In fairness, just read Sir Keir's speech in the Commons yesterday, and it's quite a reasonable attack. He's helped by David Davis coming across as really struggling to defend the government's position.

David Davis wrote:
The right hon. and learned Gentleman’s speeches in such proceedings are becoming rather repetitive—they are always crowing and carping.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:04 ]
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https://twitter.com/alexGspence/status/ ... 0573716480




Once, an old boss wanted to use some metrics I had devised that were insightful but had caveats. I was arguing the caveats made them useless. He said "Do you have better numbers?" I conceded I did not. He said "So either we apply these numbers carefully or we're just guessing. Which is better?"

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:12 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
https://twitter.com/alexGspence/status/938339860573716480

Once, an old boss wanted to use some metrics I had devised that were insightful but had caveats. I was arguing the caveats made them useless. He said "Do you have better numbers?" I conceded I did not. He said "So either we apply these numbers carefully or we're just guessing. Which is better?"


I am nicking this

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:17 ]
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The Natural Party of Governance, the people who believe in free markets and that corporate management is fundamentally good, are coming out and saying that impact assessments are pointless. If you pitched your board of directors a project of one-thousandth the size and risk of Brexit and didn't have any formal consideration of risk or impact, they'd assume you're a pillock and say no. And maybe write you up for incompetence.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:21 ]
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https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/stat ... 4392865792



Author:  Kern [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:23 ]
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The idea that they can't publish them because it might help "the other side" (seriously, stop this them-v-us language) is appalling. As if the EU doesn't already have detailed knowledge of the UK economy and feeds this into planning for trade negotiations with other countries or is already publishing plenty of stuff on its website.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 ]
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Admittedly, it'd be pretty embarrassing for the government to admit which sectors it's happy to throw under a bus, but perhaps it's time to be honest to Parliament and the public about our futures *

* assuming we're not all vaporised in the meantime

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:34 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
The Natural Party of Governance, the people who believe in free markets and that corporate management is fundamentally good, are coming out and saying that impact assessments are pointless. If you pitched your board of directors a project of one-thousandth the size and risk of Brexit and didn't have any formal consideration of risk or impact, they'd assume you're a pillock and say no. And maybe write you up for incompetence.

And if you'd been saying for the last year about how detailed and great your analysis was to your board of directors, I imagine a friendly chap from security would be standing next to you whilst you put all your stuff into a cardboard box.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:41 ]
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At which point does this become maladministration?

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:59 ]
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He’s got to be in contempt of Parliament now. He knowingly lied that they had done their job and he now admits that they didn’t actually do anything.

Talk about giving the Brexiters enough rope to hang themselves with, Jesus.

And now Jacob Rees-Twat is saying that since the impact assessments don’t exist, promising to publish them shows that the government is going beyond what was required, so actually it’s a good thing.

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:00 ]
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Currently I'm assuming this government is still about due to some sort of Simpsons-esque "Three Stooges Syndrome" where so much is going wrong at once that no one can decide which is worse.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:37 ]
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Heh

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 13:05 ]
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Good summary of the history of Davis's public statements about the impact assessments:
http://jackofkent.com/2017/11/the-early ... -analyses/

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 13:09 ]
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Kern wrote:
At which point did this become maladministration?

Past-tense-feex.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 13:11 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
At which point did this become maladministration?

Past-tense-feex.


It should be maliadministration.

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 13:39 ]
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MaliA wrote:

Being knowingly misleading in the reply to a FOI request must be be some sort of offence, surely?

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