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Author:  Cavey [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:50 ]
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In the medium to long term, I now can't see any way out of another disastrous dalliance with Socialism, leaving the country bankrupt (again). It's the only way the up and coming generations are going to learn, just like my parent's generation did in the 70s.

Unfortunately the 2008 Labour Bankruptcy doesn't sufficiently register because Blair's Labour is perceived as 'not being Socialist' (even though it very largely was; just look at how the public sector grew, spending rocketed and personal liberties shrank), and despite the abject, public apologies of both their PM and senior Cabinet, there's always the "it wasn't us Guv, honest" excuse about Banks, Americans, Pixies etc.

So heads up sensible people, make hay whilst you still can. Winter is coming!

Author:  Pundabaya [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 ]
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Absolutely, socialist policies totally caused the financial crash. Also the world is flat, the Queen is a lizard person, 9/11 was an inside job and Big Pharma discovered the cure for cancer in 1979, but refuses to release it because they make more money treating cancer victims.

On the other hand, maybe Cavey is a Tory fuckhead who lives inside his own head?

Bring on socialism, its got to be better than this bunch of cretins.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:10 ]
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"Tory fuckhead" has a certain ring to it! :metul:

:D

You're beyond help, Pundy, but I need a laugh and reality break right now. Cheers. :D

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:08 ]
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Cavey wrote:
I need a laugh and reality break right now. Cheers. :D


Cottage. You can 'be' Mr Chris

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:16 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Cavey wrote:
I need a laugh and reality break right now. Cheers. :D


Cottage. You can 'be' Mr Chris


Awesome! That's quite an upgrade :)

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:20 ]
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Cavey wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cavey wrote:
I need a laugh and reality break right now. Cheers. :D


Cottage. You can 'be' Mr Chris


Awesome! That's quite an upgrade :)


Oh, he's not that bad ;)

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:24 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Cavey wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cavey wrote:
I need a laugh and reality break right now. Cheers. :D


Cottage. You can 'be' Mr Chris


Awesome! That's quite an upgrade :)


Oh, he's not that bad ;)


He's an AI we wrote. We didn't have a lot to go on, so we mostly reused code from autonomous forlkift truck.

Author:  LewieP [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:37 ]
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Spending on social housing, public services and public infrastructure are reasonable plans, but I think the biggest challenge for a Corbyn led government inheriting a post-brexit mess would be building strong international trade links.

I'm confident in his ability to lead with common sense, but it'll be a steep challenge.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:40 ]
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:DD

Author:  Kern [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:47 ]
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We're going to become an agrarian paradise! To the fields, citizens!

Author:  markg [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:01 ]
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Bloke's a genius. We can just grown more food and we can make everything else here too. We don't need anyone else. Why did nobody think of this before? It's all just so easy and obvious. Brexit's going to be fucking amazing!

Author:  Kern [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:05 ]
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I'm pretty sure feudalism was an idea brought across the channel by those filthy Normans.

Author:  Kern [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:57 ]
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Today, the House of Commons holds the second reading of the Nuclear Safeguards Bill, written to cover some of the holes left in the regulation of nuclear material caused by the public's vote to leave Euratom (did you not notice that question on the ballot paper last June?). The official parliamentary research briefing states that the bill is an empthy shell, waiting to be filled up by yet more secondary legislation, because, hey, why should MPs and peers bother themselves with the complexities of this issue.

Quote:
This Bill would allow the Government to make regulations for, and implement international agreements in relation to, nuclear safeguarding. This is required once the UK leaves Euratom. However, the Bill does not set out what the regulations will look like, but does include a duty to consult at least the UK’s Office for Nuclear Regulation.

Author:  BikNorton [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:51 ]
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More importantly, who is ensuring our access to German malts?

I'm disturbed how little public talk there is about the British beer industry.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 15:02 ]
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Grayling in Feb 2016 ("of course we'll have free trade, it'll be easy to negotiate that") versus Grayling this week ("of course the negotiations are difficult") is fucking depressing.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/9 ... 1063301120



Author:  Kern [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 15:06 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
More importantly, who is ensuring our access to German malts?

I'm disturbed how little public talk there is about the British beer industry.


Ask the Wetherspoons guy. As a prominent Leave campaigner, he'll have the answers.

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 18:04 ]
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Hot off the heels of this news of meltdown of the British economy, the FTSE100 and FTSE250 fell off the edge of a cliff by 0.1% and 0.2% respectively today. :(

Author:  romanista [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:40 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
More importantly, who is ensuring our access to German malts?
I'm disturbed how little public talk there is about the British beer industry.


Would access to German malts not ruin what's left of the british beer industry?

Anyway.. local craft beers first!

Author:  Kern [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:52 ]
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It's all about the American hops these days.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:55 ]
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And what's Her Majesty's Government's policy on preparing for the 'no deal' scenario? Optimism, apparently.

Home Office questions, yesterday

Quote:
Ben Bradshaw:
...
Given all the other demands on his budget that we have heard about today, is it not grossly irresponsible for some of his Cabinet colleagues to be running around talking up the prospects of a no deal, instead of being level with the public about any trade-offs that will inevitably result in a Brexit deal?

Brandon Lewis:

I am optimistic that we will get a good deal both for the UK and for our partners in Europe, so that we can work together as forward-looking partners, but we are also actively monitoring work flows at the border to ensure that we have sufficient resources in place to meet demand. As my colleagues across the Government and in the Cabinet have said, it is absolutely right that we do plan for all eventualities.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:58 ]
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And Mr Lewis's answer to the next question is even clearer:

Quote:
I appreciate my hon. Friend’s comments about my demeanour, and I will always try to remain optimistic and happy about the fact that we are focused on ensuring that we keep our borders secure and that we are ready for any outcome at the end of the negotiations.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:09 ]
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I wonder if May has prepared her three envelopes yet.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:13 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I wonder if May has prepared her three envelopes yet.


:DD

What if she sent the wrong ones to the submarines?

Author:  Squirt [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:52 ]
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So, what is everyone's predictions for the actual state of Brexit come March 2019? I'm teetering between "Transition deal that basically maintains the status quo for another two years" and "Tory leadership coup, collapse of negotiations and hard, no deal Brexit"

Author:  Kern [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:22 ]
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I'm edging towards a continually-renewed limited transition period where we get blue passports and fuck all else that's different but right now all that I'm certain of is that nobody will take responsibility for any of what happens. The only appeal of Boris Johnson becoming Prime Minister in the near future is that it would totally destroy his reputation forever.

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:33 ]
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I'm actually fairly optimistic now that this will be a good old fashioned EU fudge... measurably worse in every single way than if we'd stayed in of course, but not catastrophically so, and at least some kind of basis whereby the movers and shakers - the business men and women of the UK - can move forwards and operate, likely with some kind of renewing "transition period" possibly lasting a decade or so, as Kern mentions.

At least Juncker is making the right sorts of noises now; the Spanish crisis looms large, and the EU can no longer afford an outright schism with Britain.

Author:  Cras [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 13:32 ]
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Any transition period that includes current rules on freedom of movement, EU judicial oversight, etc will not appease the right - and appeasing the right was the only possible reason for the government to go along with the whole thing in the first place.
So the government may as well at this point take every step they can towards revoking A50 and cancelling the whole sorry shitshow.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 13:40 ]
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Cras wrote:
Any transition period that includes current rules on freedom of movement, EU judicial oversight, etc will not appease the right - and appeasing the right was the only possible reason for the government to go along with the whole thing in the first place.
So the government may as well at this point take every step they can towards revoking A50 and cancelling the whole sorry shitshow.


Hi! Alastair!

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nt-be-done

Author:  Kern [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:54 ]
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Withdrawal bill delayed again. I'm torn between thinking this was their game plan all along and hold back before coming out with their preferred version containing just enough sweetners for the Tory rebels, and thinking that it's another example of the current government's general incompetence and confusion (or, as we call it, Brexit).

Author:  Findus Fop [ Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:06 ]
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https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/921099927958192128

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