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Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:45 ]
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"Yay for financial ruin, increased global irrelevance and international humiliation!"

16 likes, 2 laughy faces and 3 love hearts.

Nigel F likes this.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:49 ]
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devilman wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I'm beginning to hope that, as time passes, the real effect of a Brexit will xtalise, and some form of sanity will prevail, and we'll stay. There's some light shining through the door, at least, as shambolic as it is.


I'd like to think that, but of the people I know who voted for Brexit, I'm not exactly seeing any changes of opinion - they all still seem to think it's a great idea. Although if and when it does actually happen, if they gloat about it on Facebook, then I'll be having a friend cull on there. :)


Yeah, Facebook's a tricky one, isn't it? I try and not mention politics there, lest some of my connections consider me even more a haughty snob* than they already do (which is annoying, as I've never once told them I think I'm above them).

I feel better about it than 365 days ago, but in Cras we trust.

*No, really

Author:  myp [ Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:18 ]
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Extallyse

Crosstalyse

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:18 ]
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Crystallise. Soz. Old habit.

Author:  myp [ Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:26 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Crystallise. Soz. Old habit.

:P

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 13:15 ]
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I've just read a speech Lord Adonis made to the House of Lords about the dangers of Brexit. He's quite wry and his analysis of the situation is interesting. It's worth reading in full - his opening remarks give a flavour of how he proceeds:

The best named peer in the realm wrote:
Perhaps I may first extend my sincere condolences to the Minister on her new appointment. The noble Baroness has an unenviable task. Brexit is a revolution that devours its children. It has consumed three Prime Ministers: Margaret Thatcher, John Major and David Cameron; it is now on to its fourth, Mrs May. In the past year alone, it has decapitated a Chancellor, neutered a Foreign Secretary, and two of the four Ministers in the Department for Exiting the European Union have already exited. I advise the Minister to join them as soon as possible and seek a less demanding job, like Secretary- General of the United Nations.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 13:56 ]
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So, the EU has done a free trade deal with Japan. That's good news for Sunderland and Swindon, isn't it?

Author:  myp [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 13:58 ]
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MaliA wrote:
So, the EU has done a free trade deal with Japan. That's good news for Sunderland and Swindon, isn't it?

Well the government did a shady backdoor deal with Nissan so I'm sure it's fine

Author:  Squirt [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 14:02 ]
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Probably bad news. Any future Japanese investment is surely going to go to places with the trade deal, rather than the place that's in the process of leaving it?

Author:  myp [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 14:22 ]
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Ok, so odds of us never leaving now must be shortening right? Or is that wishful thinking?

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 14:36 ]
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Got to. As soon as the reality of the folly hits home.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 14:49 ]
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I don't think we're going to fall out in March 2019 - the government might have its faults but I doubt they are that stupid. I'm starting to sense that we're going to be in an awkward twilight zone for a long, long time until someone is brave enough to slip 'rejoin properly' into their manifesto. I'm kicking myself for not taking my MP up on her election material that said 'the decision has been made, there can be no turning back' as it's never a good idea to not give yourself a way out. I did ask her what 'the best deal' (another phrase on her pamphlet) would look like, and answer came there none.

The leave campaign's biggest asset was also their biggest weakness: a failure to have a plan for leaving. Although Mr Johnson et al should be hounded over the extra £350million per week for the NHS for all time (and with rising inflation, we'll probably reach that figure soon).

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 14:51 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Got to. As soon as the reality of the folly hits home.


It might be the splitting of the Tory party that does it in for Brexit, and, indeed, Mrs May.

Author:  devilman [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 15:01 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Ok, so odds of us never leaving now must be shortening right? Or is that wishful thinking?


I do wonder about those who voted so vehemently to leave and still think it's a good idea now there are more facts available. Would they only accept it's a good idea to stay after we've left and everything's turned to crap? Or could there be a way of getting them onside without leaving at all.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 15:08 ]
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The trouble is there is no 'one' leave voter, there's several. The classic Eurosceptic (by which I mean those against the federalisation of the EU) and the anti-immigration lobby aren't going to be convinced. It's the soft voters, especially those who hadn't really thought about the EU before the referendum and those who voted leave to send a message to David Cameron that are key to turning this around. Sadly that means the economy will have to get worse before they will.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 17:03 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Got to. As soon as the reality of the folly hits home.

Nah. Labour will blame the tories. The tories aren't going to blame brexit, given it was their fault...

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 18:24 ]
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MaliA wrote:
So, the EU has done a free trade deal with Japan. That's good news for Sunderland and Swindon, isn't it?


For about the next 21 months, yes.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:31 ]
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Three days ago:
Quote:
Boris Johnson has suggested European leaders can “go whistle” if they expect Britain to pay a divorce bill for withdrawing from the European Union.

Speaking in the House of Commons, the foreign secretary also told MPs that the government had “no plan for no deal” because of its confidence in securing a strong Brexit settlement with the bloc.

He went on to say the sums demanded by Brussels as a price for a deal were “extortionate” and signalled that the UK would refuse to pay.

-- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... is-johnson

Today:
Quote:
Britain has for the first time explicitly acknowledged it has financial obligations to the EU after Brexit, a move that is likely to avert a full-scale clash over the exit bill in talks next week.

In a written statement to parliament touching on a “financial settlement”, the government recognised on Thursday “that the UK has obligations to the EU . . . that will survive the UK’s withdrawal — and that these need to be resolved”.

The text, released by Joyce Anelay, a Brexit minister, was immediately seen by Brussels as a potentially important development. EU diplomats say the wording “goes further” than Theresa May’s previous reference to Britain being willing to reach a “fair settlement” of unspecified obligations.

-- https://www.ft.com/content/be2b22ce-67f ... 38dcaef614

Boris Johnson was almost our Prime Minister.

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:42 ]
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It would be great if our strong and stable government in the national interest could manage not to undermine its own negotiations and perhaps speak with one voice on this. But no, plenty of ministers need to put their own egos and potential advancement ahead of not fecking the country up more than it needs to be.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:56 ]
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It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:00 ]
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MaliA wrote:
It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

It's all fun and games until Sunderland's car workers are lining up on the dole.

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:03 ]
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I can't take any pleasure from the Brexit fiasco, as horrifically incompetent, bumbling and oafish it's making the Tories look on a daily basis - the consequences are just far too serious.

That Barnier chap could take us to pieces if the mood takes him, and with that witless fucking moron Boris stamping around the place, that mood may well take him.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:11 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

It's all fun and games until Sunderland's car workers are lining up on the dole.


I don't think it'll get that far. It's becoming too ludicrous of an escapade now to reach that stage.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:12 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

It's all fun and games until Sunderland's car workers are lining up on the dole.


I don't think it'll get that far. It's becoming too ludicrous of an escapade now to reach that stage.


Yeah, I'm now seeing a glimmer of hope that it is becoming too visibly and publically disastrous to actually follow through with - which I didn't expect.

Author:  Trousers [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:12 ]
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This is what is extremely annoying. Anybody pointing out that we need to be a bit better at this shit is shouted down as being a Remoaning Cuntlord trying to slow things down, just being negative and waiting for it to fail whilst rubbing their hands with glee.

I don't want Brexit to fail. Admittedly I want it to be difficult, tedious and complicated so that a binary referendum on a massively complicated issue is not put forward in future, but I absolutely do not want it to be the clusterfuck it is currently looking like.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:13 ]
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Cras wrote:
follow through

Brexit in a nutshell.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:17 ]
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Cras wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

It's all fun and games until Sunderland's car workers are lining up on the dole.


I don't think it'll get that far. It's becoming too ludicrous of an escapade now to reach that stage.


Yeah, I'm now seeing a glimmer of hope that it is becoming too visibly and publically disastrous to actually follow through with - which I didn't expect.

What are the likes of the sun/mail saying?

Author:  Bamba [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:28 ]
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The only possible silver lining here is that a massively fucked Brexit might swell appetite for Scottish independence then you can all come and live in our glorious socialist utopia.

I'm mostly joking there of course. Mostly.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:34 ]
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Bamba wrote:
The only possible silver lining here is that a massively fucked Brexit might swell appetite for Scottish independence then you can all come and live in our glorious socialist utopia.

I'm mostly joking there of course. Mostly.


Do you think that as businesses begain to make more noise about the consequences, and set up other offices abroad (such as Easy Jet) it might change the direction?

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:45 ]
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http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog/20 ... nt-future/

Alastair Campbell's view.

Quote:
There are however two other elements of democracy worth mentioning – and they are related. One is the role of truth. The other is the right of people to change their mind. And partly because the public now has a clear sense not only that they were lied to during the referendum, but that they are now being fed a different set of lies about how pain-free Brexit will be, they are beginning to doubt the good sense of exiting the EU, and moving to the idea that the country may need to take another look at this.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:20 ]
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Imagine if Scotland became independent, the rUK floundered on it's own and was forced to join the United Republic of Scotland as a junior member.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:45 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Cras wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

It's all fun and games until Sunderland's car workers are lining up on the dole.

I don't think it'll get that far. It's becoming too ludicrous of an escapade now to reach that stage.

Yeah, I'm now seeing a glimmer of hope that it is becoming too visibly and publically disastrous to actually follow through with - which I didn't expect.

What are the likes of the sun/mail saying?

Something about some IRA guy getting legal aid, I think.

I don't read the inside.

Author:  markg [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 13:06 ]
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Cras wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It's glorious. A glorious shitshow. I love it.

It's all fun and games until Sunderland's car workers are lining up on the dole.


I don't think it'll get that far. It's becoming too ludicrous of an escapade now to reach that stage.


Yeah, I'm now seeing a glimmer of hope that it is becoming too visibly and publically disastrous to actually follow through with - which I didn't expect.

Opinions might change but I've been thinking that ever since the referendum.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/ma ... empted-so/

But as things stand I'm really struggling to imagine how either party could position themselves as anti-Brexit without losing far more support than they would gain.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 13:54 ]
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That's sort of what I mean. A succession of stories about how disastrous the outcome is likely to be is slowly finally moving public perception to the point where government might be able to backtrack from the vote. Moving the Overton window or whatever it's called.

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 14:06 ]
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Cras wrote:
That's sort of what I mean. A succession of stories about how disastrous the outcome is likely to be is slowly finally moving public perception to the point where government might be able to backtrack from the vote. Moving the Overton window or whatever it's called.

I think that's absolute wishful thinking, personally. I think people are so entrenched on this that all it does is serve to reinforce their original views "well, if the bloody remoaners are going on about this it must be untrue" ... "fake news" syndrome writ large.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 14:10 ]
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It is of course in some part wishful thinking, but I think it's getting more likely based on recent coverage as we get into the detail of negotiation. The line is shifting, whether it will be enough remains to be seen.

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 14:16 ]
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Cras wrote:
It is of course in some part wishful thinking, but I think it's getting more likely based on recent coverage as we get into the detail of negotiation. The line is shifting, whether it will be enough remains to be seen.

to quote a fantastic film, time has told.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 14:47 ]
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Author:  devilman [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 14:49 ]
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Shaun the Sheep?

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 14:51 ]
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Grim... wrote:
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Mate

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 15:08 ]
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Freddy got fingered.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 15:25 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Grim... wrote:
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Mate

Giphy "back to the future":
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Ki9zObRfQlVja/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 15:39 ]
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MATE

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 15:46 ]
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PS can't tell if serious.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 15:52 ]
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Giphy "terminator 2":
https://media4.giphy.com/media/sLRZuao7GJG48/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 16:06 ]
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Giphy "freddy got fingered":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/8aiTKaqNgFmeI/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jul 18, 2017 22:13 ]
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Quote:
The impression we got so far is that the UK is not ready for these talks.”


shit show clown porn continues

Author:  Kern [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 16:24 ]
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'And then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like we'd still leave the single market'

Guardian/Observer wrote:
A Labour government would leave the single market because it is “dependent on membership of the EU” but seek a trade deal that mirrored the free trade benefits, Jeremy Corbyn has said.

Source

The best thing Labour can do right now is avoid the question, lay low, and let the Tories self-destruct on Brexit. Stuff like this really doesn't help build a coalition or provide adequate opposition to the government.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jul 25, 2017 13:21 ]
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Well, here's some cheery reading:
Quote:
The UK does not have its own capacity to do things like certify maintenance facilities if it leaves the European Aviation Safety Agency. Yes, you heard that right. The UK won’t be able to certify the people that fix the planes. As with so many of these issues, the UK will either have to negotiate to remain in the Agency (which is within the dreaded European Court of Justice’s jurisdiction), or establish its own capacity to replace what it does from a standing start in only 20 months.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 58586.html

Author:  markg [ Tue Jul 25, 2017 13:23 ]
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Christ, what a fucking farce.

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