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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 12, 2016 17:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
There's a two-part documentary starting tonight on BBC2 about Britain's on-and-off romance with the continent. Might be of interest for some background. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
'The Wee Bleu Book'. Not written by ['our absent friend'-ed]. Might peruse this over the weekend. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I was wondering, now we have a formal "No" party, will they get 9 million quid to send a leaflet to every house in the UK as well? Would be a bit unfair if the government can spend this money for their "Yes" view and the "No" party can't |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
asfish wrote: I was wondering, now we have a formal "No" party, will they get 9 million quid to send a leaflet to every house in the UK as well? Would be a bit unfair if the government can spend this money for their "Yes" view and the "No" party can't That depends on where the 9 million came from. What fund or budget was it allocated to? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
asfish wrote: I was wondering, now we have a formal "No" party, will they get 9 million quid to send a leaflet to every house in the UK as well? Not quite. Each official side gets £600,000 to play with from public funds and can spend up to £7 million. They both get a mailshot. The government's Protect and Survive referendum blurb was done outside of the referendum campaigns. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Parliament's website now has a page with links to a large number of EU-related material if you find yourself unable to sleep without knowing the intricacies of, say, Northern Ireland's relationship with the EU. Anyone read any good books arguing for either side? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Referendum propaganda update: was handed a 'Remain' leaflet produced by the Labour party yesterday. I'm still uninspired by either side, and arguing that only the EU can protect workers' rights suggests a complete lack of ambition on the part of the Labour folk to ever re-enter government. Also, Mr Cameron appears to have seen Mr Johnson's 'Hitler' jibe and raised to 'Isis'. Under five weeks, people. Still, at least we didn't come last at Eurovision. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I am yet to see an unbiased list of pros and cons where the leave and remain options are contrasted side by side i.e. Code: ######Leave##########Remain#####
#All dogs killed###All dogs fed# |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Vote 'Stay' to show support for sinister megaglobal corporations doing shady backroom deals. Vote 'Leave' to show support for sinister xenophobes. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
"Remain means [insert horror here]!" "No, Leave means [same horror]!" "Vote Leave for X!" "NO! Vote REMAIN for X!" Sigh. No one has any idea what will happen, do they? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The lack of idealism on either side is grating. Why aren't the stay people trying harder to sell the idea of European Unity, of closer co-operation, of a federal dream, or even of the EU as it currently exists? Why aren't the remain side offering a vision of a free, independent country? And why the hell am I slowly turning into ['a former deputy editor of a long-defunct Amiga gaming magazine'-Ed.] over this? |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Wed May 18, 2016 10:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
There's no paradise of a federal European super state because that's not a great idea nor something I think that most of he country wants. I've actually just been in a Ministerial debate on the referendum with the Minister for the Caninet Office (get me!) and the ideal is really to have the 'best of both worlds'. Obviously he's spinning things towards his side, but really now that the 'ever closer union' clause is gone, and we have a way to prevent getting overruled by the inner circle of Schengen/Eurozone countries, we're not actually in too bad a place. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri May 20, 2016 12:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
hah! I have often felt this way when actors feel the need to comment on stuff. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri May 20, 2016 12:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Bloody hell, Curio's a Cabinet Minister! /starts shredding |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri May 20, 2016 13:50 ] |
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Cavey wrote: Bloody hell, Curio's a Cabinet Minister!
/starts shredding |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri May 20, 2016 14:09 ] |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri May 20, 2016 14:50 ] |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri May 20, 2016 14:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Yes, I think that's known as being, ahem, well and truly "pwned". I am fetching my coat as we speak. 
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| Author: | Kern [ Sat May 21, 2016 9:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Leaflet watch: just received another flyer from the remain camp, telling me that it's important I have the facts so I can make 'the best and safest choice'. On the other side it has a picture of Richard Branson saying that leaving would be 'very very damaging'. Please don't make me act out of spite, remainers. Still nothing from the Leave side: am I marked on their database as not worth the effort? Shame. I don't take rejection well. I also got my polling card today too. Shit just got real. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Sun May 22, 2016 21:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Just watched 'Paxman in Brussels: who really rules us?' . Worth watching if you're after an overview of how the EU works and its implications on sovereignty. |
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| Author: | Trousers [ Mon May 23, 2016 13:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
[Important contribution to thread] If Belgium left the EU that would be a BeeXit [Contributions ends# |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Tue May 24, 2016 16:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Nigel Farage was in town today on his big purple battle bus. I've watched the footage on the local news website but without sound. There's people in the crowd waving at him on his bus like he's some kind of mega star. They all look like typical UKIP voters... It's all a bit ridiculous to be honest. |
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| Author: | Pundabaya [ Tue May 24, 2016 16:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I didn't know they did Sunshine Buses in purple now. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue May 24, 2016 20:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
TheVision wrote: It's all a bit ridiculous to be honest. And in the interests of balance, I give you 'VOTIN' [sic]. |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue May 24, 2016 20:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
TheVision wrote: Nigel Farage was in town today on his big purple battle bus Now I feel nauseous. My regular weekend cycle route (well the lead off into the country) passes his driveway. Sadly I rarely need a piss that early on. |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Wed May 25, 2016 9:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Kern wrote: TheVision wrote: It's all a bit ridiculous to be honest. And in the interests of balance, I give you 'VOTIN' [sic]. Someone should make an Intercloud thingy to allow you to make your own "votin" pics. Get to it! |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Wed May 25, 2016 12:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Votin was hideous. Why did I watch that? |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Wed May 25, 2016 13:49 ] |
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I'm still not convinced that it isn't a wind up. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu May 26, 2016 22:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The Beeb's yoof debate was a bit of a car-crash, although it did serve to remind me how good Alan Johnson is. |
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| Author: | Malc [ Thu May 26, 2016 23:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Kern wrote: The Beeb's yoof debate was a bit of a car-crash, although it did serve to remind me how good Alan Johnson is. I really enjoyed it, apart from a bit of bickering from the audience. It was really refreshing to get some positives out of the remain camp. A shame the same couldn't be said of the leave lot. Everything was still all "there are too many foreigners here" with things like Quote: if we kick out 2.2 million EU citizens, then that's most of the 2.7 million uk unemployed sorted... I wasn't convinced, and it's a real shame that both sides haven't been more positive. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri May 27, 2016 7:28 ] |
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Malc wrote: Quote: if we kick out 2.2 million EU citizens, then that's most of the 2.7 million uk unemployed sorted... I wasn't convinced, and it's a real shame that both sides haven't been more positive. Yeah, that's just simplistic bullshit. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri May 27, 2016 8:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I'm waiting for Leave to say 'vote Brexit for a proper, dark blue hard backed passport that makes you look like someone important, not that maroon EU floppy thing'. That might swing it for me. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri May 27, 2016 9:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Fun Brexit Fact: If we leave the EU, the Republic of Ireland will stil be in the EU. There will still be open borders between RoI and NI, and between NI and England, as they're enshrined by the Good Friday Agreement. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri May 27, 2016 9:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Curiosity wrote: and between NI and England, as they're enshrined by the Good Friday Agreement. But not Scotland? |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri May 27, 2016 9:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Curiosity wrote: Fun Brexit Fact: If we leave the EU, the Republic of Ireland will stil be in the EU. There will still be open borders between RoI and NI, and between NI and England, as they're enshrined by the Good Friday Agreement. Irrelevant. It's all covered by the CTA anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 27, 2016 10:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Curiosity wrote: Fun Brexit Fact: If we leave the EU, the Republic of Ireland will stil be in the EU. There will still be open borders between RoI and NI, and between NI and England, as they're enshrined by the Good Friday Agreement. Irrelevant. It's all covered by the CTA anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area And the RoI isn't in Schengen, either, so doesn't have completely open borders with Europe. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri May 27, 2016 10:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Curiosity wrote: Fun Brexit Fact: If we leave the EU, the Republic of Ireland will stil be in the EU. There will still be open borders between RoI and NI, and between NI and England, as they're enshrined by the Good Friday Agreement. Irrelevant. It's all covered by the CTA anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area Well, if we exited the EU, you'd rather expect that we'd exit the CTA. But we kinda can't exit the Good Friday Agreement. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri May 27, 2016 10:43 ] |
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Cras wrote: Well, if we exited the EU, you'd rather expect that we'd exit the CTA. Very unlikely. Why would you think that? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri May 27, 2016 10:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Because the ROI has contingent free travel arrangements with the EU that we would no longer be part of. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri May 27, 2016 10:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cras wrote: Because the ROI has contingent free travel arrangements with the EU that we would no longer be part of. If we exit the CTA then you wouldn't be able to travel to the IOM or the Channel Islands freely. I would expect Ireland would have to exit the CTA if anything, considering they'd still be in the EU. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri May 27, 2016 11:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Anyway, either way, leaving the EU will not make the country a right wing heaven of no immigration. Not that the Leave campaign has a single fucking clue what they would do if we did vote to leave, as all the various figures have utterly different and mutually exclusive plans, none of which are remotely feasible in reality. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Fri May 27, 2016 11:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Should we be having some kind of sweepstake on the result of this? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri May 27, 2016 11:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Because the ROI has contingent free travel arrangements with the EU that we would no longer be part of. If we exit the CTA then you wouldn't be able to travel to the IOM or the Channel Islands freely. I would expect Ireland would have to exit the CTA if anything, considering they'd still be in the EU. With apologies to our Manx brethren, same difference. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri May 27, 2016 12:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cras wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Cras wrote: Because the ROI has contingent free travel arrangements with the EU that we would no longer be part of. If we exit the CTA then you wouldn't be able to travel to the IOM or the Channel Islands freely. I would expect Ireland would have to exit the CTA if anything, considering they'd still be in the EU. With apologies to our Manx brethren, same difference. What you mean is that you were highly likely to be technically incorrect? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri May 27, 2016 14:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Oh dear. BBC: Vote Leave launches £50m Euro 2016 football contest Next week, they'll start building a giant wicker Manneken Pis for the MEPs we won't be needing. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
If you haven't decided yet, Antoine de Caunes and Jean Paul Gaultier will be on Channel 4 on Friday to help you choose. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 18:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Anyway. I might be eligible for an Irish passport. unless having kids has fucked this |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 18:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I've been thinking about it since the days of Labour's ID Card scheme. I can drink Guinness and sing loudly in pubs, so I think I qualify. |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 20:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
MaliA wrote: Anyway. I might be eligible for an Irish passport. unless having kids has fucked this About 10 people have asked me if I've applied for one yet. Despite my name, I don't qualify at all. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 20:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: MaliA wrote: Anyway. I might be eligible for an Irish passport. unless having kids has fucked this About 10 people have asked me if I've applied for one yet. Despite my name, I don't qualify at all. Chris? |
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